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2 minutes ago, Steffen said:

 

Sorry, but voltage levels for interconnects are not a matter of fidelity, only of interoperability.

 

What you need to watch out for are sensitive pre-amps, that force you to dial down the volume knob all the way to 8 or 9 o’clock, and then add 18dB of gain. That’s BAD.

Ah,one of a few of  those elephants in the room again, they are there you need to start seeing what is there other than cables between your source and power amp. If you remove what is there, that is one gone at least,  then set about matching consumer line level presently  exiting your source, to your power amp also at consumer line level, with the best device you possibly can.  There is the recipe, easy.

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In short: If you're using your DAC as a pre and haven't tried a dedicated/integrated pre already, try it immediately.   So on a whim I got a used Schiit Saga about a week ago and dropped it

My pre-amp arrived on Friday and it has made a massive improvement in the sound. I had a Gieseler Fein II into a Holton One-Zero-Zero and it could sound good, but it could also sound a bit hollow. Add

I've embraced the distortion and colour proudly and many times extolled its virtues. I'm not fooling myself thinking it's more accurate - I have components with insane accuracy and regularly compare t

8 minutes ago, stereo coffee said:

Ah,one of a few of  those elephants in the room again, they are there you need to start seeing what is there other than cables between your source and power amp. If you remove what is there, that is one gone at least,  then set about matching consumer line level presently  exiting your source, to your power amp also at consumer line level, with the best device you possibly can.  There is the recipe, easy.

 

It is indeed easy, but you make it sound so complicated.

 

The source should put out a higher level than the amp’s input sensitivity, though, to allow for attenuation and volume reserve (for particularly quiet recording).

 

My DAC’s 2V are a good match for my amp’s 1V (both well above consumer line level of yore, as you’ll notice). This requires 6dB attenuation to avoid overdriving the amp at full scale DAC output. That’s 3 clicks down from max on my TVC (out of 24 clicks). For normal listening, I usually have it set between 5 and 8 clicks down. Additional gain is never required. Straight forward and perfect for my needs.

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1 hour ago, stereo coffee said:

It has not increased, and remains as it has,  since its inception.   

 

Rubbish.  It was always contentious.  I remember certain 70s equipment brands that couldn't be mixed with others because the line level it put out was enough to cause distortion in the downstream equipment, or the other way around.

 

1 hour ago, Steffen said:

I think this was never more than a convention,

Exactly, and one not agreed to by some manufacturers.

 

52 minutes ago, stereo coffee said:

Well if we view Wikipedia as a common meeting point of information without any bias at all. 

 

That's your great reference???  lol          I was there and let me assure you, there was NO standard.  

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This 200+ post thread could well stake a valid claim as deserving 'pinned topic' status - both as a cautionary tale (to never start another preamp thread) but also as a useful record of diametrically opposed hifi perspectives/configurations.

 

But for god's sake let us stop here since, SURELY, there is nothing new to say on the matter 🙂

 

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Hmmm, I think this thread has lost me. It's about the music guys.

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How a pre-amp interacts with a source and with a power amp can be complicated and, I guess, this thread reflects that 🙂

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