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I am in the market for one or the other(not both) and am wondering which one to go with. I still have my JVC x5500 and a 2:37 scope screen and basically want to brighten up HDR and watch 16x9 content on the scope screen in full screen. Am new to anamorphic and new to Lumagen.I don’t mean to open up a big can of worms but I really have no idea on both the lens and the Lumagen.

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I think @Rec. 709 has had a lot of experience and success with Lumagen recently. He was only trying to convince me today to get one

As had already been pointed out you don't need a Lumagen just to do stretch, there are other options available. However, if you want stretch and the other benefits of the Lumagen it's worth a serious

Yep got mine second hand at great price. Has an ir receiver for a remote but I never got a remote.    Mark Techer is probably the best person to be taking to about scope as he is the designe

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I think @Rec. 709 has had a lot of experience and success with Lumagen recently.

He was only trying to convince me today to get one :)

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52 minutes ago, drummerboy01 said:

I am in the market for one or the other(not both) and am wondering which one to go with. I still have my JVC x5500 and a 2:37 scope screen and basically want to brighten up HDR and watch 16x9 content on the scope screen in full screen. Am new to anamorphic and new to Lumagen.I don’t mean to open up a big can of worms but I really have no idea on both the lens and the Lumagen.

if want to achieve more brightness using the full chip then most definitely folk use a scope lens for that... it is expensive though .... and unless a much larger screen a not a lot of folk use a scope lens anymore....

 

if just planning to do a stretch there is absolutely no need for lens. talk to @oztheatre he has much experience with the JVC and always been a proponent for scope and been saying this for some years now. 

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My screen size is 130 inch scope. Definitely would love to brighten up HDR and definitely stretch from 16x9 to 2.37. What I want to be able to do is grab any 16x9 movie and watch it in scope to it’s full potential. Have been told to go the lens but everyone seems to be buying Lumagen.Am looking at 6000.00 to spend but of course if there is no need to spend that much  to get the same result I would welcome the idea.

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10 minutes ago, drummerboy01 said:

My screen size is 130 inch scope. Definitely would love to brighten up HDR and definitely stretch from 16x9 to 2.37. What I want to be able to do is grab any 16x9 movie and watch it in scope to it’s full potential. Have been told to go the lens but everyone seems to be buying Lumagen.Am looking at 6000.00 to spend but of course if there is no need to spend that much  to get the same result I would welcome the idea.

there are folk using 130" screens without a lens and have been for some years with HDR. not sure a necessity.... maybe just needs calibrating well. I dont think need a lumagen to just do a stretch. havent needed anything to do that on jvcs for years now. but i believe lumagen folks buy more for tone mapping scaling and such. I've not actually read anyone buying one just for reasons you have mentioned :)  but I dont own one ... :D not using one.... leave to someone else to comment on that aspect :) 

 

anyways as mentioned Rich - Oz has been a scope proponent for years... am sure can let you know what is best ways forward with the jvc...

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Hi Alan, 

 

I have a lumagen Radiance Pro and besides the HDR function for my Z1, my intention for anything in 16x9 is to use the NLS feature to fill a 240 screen, as I have no desire to mask a scope screen, 

 

I say intention as I am still in the build phase, but not to far from the finishing line, and will get some pics loaded when I am done, 

 

Many will consider its heresy to stretch a 16x9 image to fill a scope screen, but the Lumagen does it well, and with many adjustments you can dial it in to suit...and it transforms gaming onto another level ?

 

On the lens front, I have no idea, but my understanding is that your PJ will have to do the vertical stretch and then the lens does the rest, 

 

I wasn’t prepared to go with both...the funds for a lens are earmarked for a SSP, 

 

Good Luck, 

 

Cheers 

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2 hours ago, drummerboy01 said:

I am in the market for one or the other(not both) and am wondering which one to go with. I still have my JVC x5500 and a 2:37 scope screen and basically want to brighten up HDR and watch 16x9 content on the scope screen in full screen. Am new to anamorphic and new to Lumagen.I don’t mean to open up a big can of worms but I really have no idea on both the lens and the Lumagen.

 

One experiment that you could try is to disengage Rec 2020 while playing UHD material to see how HDR material is presented.  The Rec2020 filter cuts light output  significantly so this might make the HDR picture look better.  

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10 hours ago, Tasso said:

 

One experiment that you could try is to disengage Rec 2020 while playing UHD material to see how HDR material is presented.  The Rec2020 filter cuts light output  significantly so this might make the HDR picture look better.  

I was going through the menu the other day and was going to do that but changed my mind while browsing. Will do so today Tasso.

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10 hours ago, Andy0217 said:

Hi Alan, 

 

I have a lumagen Radiance Pro and besides the HDR function for my Z1, my intention for anything in 16x9 is to use the NLS feature to fill a 240 screen, as I have no desire to mask a scope screen, 

 

I say intention as I am still in the build phase, but not to far from the finishing line, and will get some pics loaded when I am done, 

 

Many will consider its heresy to stretch a 16x9 image to fill a scope screen, but the Lumagen does it well, and with many adjustments you can dial it in to suit...and it transforms gaming onto another level ?

 

On the lens front, I have no idea, but my understanding is that your PJ will have to do the vertical stretch and then the lens does the rest, 

 

I wasn’t prepared to go with both...the funds for a lens are earmarked for a SSP, 

 

Good Luck, 

 

Cheers 

I was told that an anamorphic lens would give me more light on my screen but after reading some comments,my projector probably has enough light output already built in. I could be wrong though as i am not sure on this, Also some movies change aspect ratio while watching. I want to be able to solve this issue if its possible. So far i am not to concerned which route i go but my knowledge is virtually nil on both ways.

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From my personal experience, lens all the way. Just upgraded from a HD350 to an N7 and still kept the lens. For me, yes the extra light helps, but main draw for me is having a 145" scope screen projecting from about 4m which I couldn't do by zooming. I have an Aussiemorphic Mk4 

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2 minutes ago, drummerboy01 said:

I was told that an anamorphic lens would give me more light on my screen but after reading some comments,my projector probably has enough light output already built in. I could be wrong though as i am not sure on this, Also some movies change aspect ratio while watching. I want to be able to solve this issue if its possible. So far i am not to concerned which route i go but my knowledge is virtually nil on both ways.

If you have a scope screen changing aspect ratios don't work, having said that, while yes missing out on picture information top and bottom, most instances the framing is still within the scope portion and I've never felt I'm missing out

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11 hours ago, betty boop said:

there are folk using 130" screens without a lens and have been for some years with HDR. not sure a necessity.... maybe just needs calibrating well. I dont think need a lumagen to just do a stretch. havent needed anything to do that on jvcs for years now. but i believe lumagen folks buy more for tone mapping scaling and such. I've not actually read anyone buying one just for reasons you have mentioned :)  but I dont own one ... :D not using one.... leave to someone else to comment on that aspect :) 

 

anyways as mentioned Rich - Oz has been a scope proponent for years... am sure can let you know what is best ways forward with the jvc...

Your probably correct on that Al and your point has been taken mate. Maybe its not light that i need. I do notice that a lot of scenes that are shot outside have enough light weather it be HDR or Standard Bluray. Its just them scenes inside but i do want to solve the 16x9 issue on a scope screen without masking.

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5 minutes ago, roachy said:

From my personal experience, lens all the way. Just upgraded from a HD350 to an N7 and still kept the lens. For me, yes the extra light helps, but main draw for me is having a 145" scope screen projecting from about 4m which I couldn't do by zooming. I have an Aussiemorphic Mk4 

Thanks mate, its good to see you are really happy. If everyone here is happy then i know i will be as, we all are after that same type of quality in the end. Your point has been taken in mate.

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Since I purchased my JVC X7900, I found that after I had it professionally calibrated, projecting onto a 115 inch 1.3 gain Stewart screen (with side masking), that I could activate HDR mode whilst in low lamp mode.  My calibrator said that this cannot usually be achieved.  Therefore I have not been using my XEIT Crystalmorphic CM-5E anamorphic lens in recent times, and have just let the JVC do the zooming without appreciable loss of brightness (for my setup).  I purchased the Crystalmorphic 5E lens directly this from Tony Dummett, and it is in mint condition.  I also have a CineSlide setup to move the lens in and out of position.  Theoretically I could sell this setup to an interested buyer at an attractive price.

 

Just saying ....

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48 minutes ago, MrC said:

Since I purchased my JVC X7900, I found that after I had it professionally calibrated, projecting onto a 115 inch 1.3 gain Stewart screen (with side masking), that I could activate HDR mode whilst in low lamp mode.  My calibrator said that this cannot usually be achieved.  Therefore I have not been using my XEIT Crystalmorphic CM-5E anamorphic lens in recent times, and have just let the JVC do the zooming without appreciable loss of brightness (for my setup).  I purchased the Crystalmorphic 5E lens directly this from Tony Dummett, and it is in mint condition.  I also have a CineSlide setup to move the lens in and out of position.  Theoretically I could sell this setup to an interested buyer at an attractive price.

 

Just saying ....

Nice lens. How good is the cineslide? With my previous projector I had the lens mounted permanently and managed to pick up the cineslide used a couple of years ago. With the new projector I changed from roof mount to a shelf and have been able to incorporate the cineslide. With the JVC N7 it has a installation mode where I just choose my scope preset, it enables the vertical stretch, lens settings and enables the cineslide. 

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2 hours ago, drummerboy01 said:

I was going through the menu the other day and was going to do that but changed my mind while browsing. Will do so today Tasso.


Let us know how you go.

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1 hour ago, roachy said:

Nice lens. How good is the cineslide?

How good is it?  .... Damn good ..... it is remote controlled ... $2500 worth.  Purchased from Richard Ward in 2011 and hasn't missed a beat.  I have it ceiling mounted.

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14 hours ago, Marc said:

I think @Rec. 709 has had a lot of experience and success with Lumagen recently.

He was only trying to convince me today to get one :)

As had already been pointed out you don't need a Lumagen just to do stretch, there are other options available. However, if you want stretch and the other benefits of the Lumagen it's worth a serious look. In addition to its video processing capabilities, one of the big benefits of the Lumagen is f LUT calibration- think of colour calibration in thousands of points and 21 point greyscale/luminance. I completed a LUT calibration on a Lumagen and Sony VPL-VW270ES (a bit of a mismatch in terms of price I know) and after calibration and with the Lumagen's Adaptive Tone Mapping the results were just outstanding. I spent far longer with this combination than I normally would after the calibration just because the images were so good.

 

If you can finder a dealer with a Lumagen nearby I'd highly recommend taking a look.

 

 

 

 

 

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there's a few things here, as per roachy with light output the lens will certainly help. however more to this, eg with MrC if get calibrated you can get a pretty decent result even with lower light outputs.

 

something like the previous gen jvc definitely suggest a pro calibration unless know and can do self. common things i hear is 

 

newer ones n5/n7 are great out of box also come with dynamic tone mapping which is fantastic !  mainly what lumagen brings, but purchasing newer projector might be a cheaper step selling old than lumagen ! not to say lumagen might not bring other benefits in calibration tone mapping etc. 

 

@Quark might have some comment as lens user with n5 now, with some perspective either way.

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29 minutes ago, MrC said:

How good is it?  .... Damn good ..... it is remote controlled ... $2500 worth.  Purchased from Richard Ward in 2011 and hasn't missed a beat.  I have it ceiling mounted.

No mine not remote controlled. Though there are codes for it. Pretty sure I picked mine up for $700. Remote not needed with the 12v trigger from the projector 

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1 minute ago, roachy said:

No not remote controlled. Pretty sure I picked mine up for $700. Remote not needed with the 12v trigger from the projector 

Not sure whether we are talking about the same Cineslide then !!!  There is a big difference in price here!!

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17 minutes ago, betty boop said:

there's a few things here, as per roachy with light output the lens will certainly help. however more to this, eg with MrC if get calibrated you can get a pretty decent result even with lower light outputs.

 

something like the previous gen jvc definitely suggest a pro calibration unless know and can do self. common things i hear is 

 

newer ones n5/n7 are great out of box also come with dynamic tone mapping which is fantastic !  mainly what lumagen brings, but purchasing newer projector might be a cheaper step selling old than lumagen ! not to say lumagen might not bring other benefits in calibration tone mapping etc. 

 

@Quark might have some comment as lens user with n5 now, with some perspective either way.

I have spoken to Mark Techer and he will be in my area soon enough and he will do the calibration for me as his price was outstanding and found him very helpful on the phone. So once a reference is sorted then i will take it from there.Great help here from all, its a credit to this site and the people on it.

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1 minute ago, drummerboy01 said:

I have spoken to Mark Techer and he will be in my area soon enough and he will do the calibration for me as his price was outstanding and found him very helpful on the phone. So once a reference is sorted then i will take it from there.Great help here from all, its a credit to this site and the people on it.

ah good you have that, mark has been doing things with calibrating for HDR for a long while so am sure will sort you out there. he is also right into scope so no question be able to help you out one way or other :)

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23 minutes ago, Rec. 709 said:

As had already been pointed out you don't need a Lumagen just to do stretch, there are other options available. However, if you want stretch and the other benefits of the Lumagen it's worth a serious look. In addition to its video processing capabilities, one of the big benefits of the Lumagen is f LUT calibration- think of colour calibration in thousands of points and 21 point greyscale/luminance. I completed a LUT calibration on a Lumagen and Sony VPL-VW270ES (a bit of a mismatch in terms of price I know) and after calibration and with the Lumagen's Adaptive Tone Mapping the results were just outstanding. I spent far longer with this combination than I normally would after the calibration just because the images were so good.

 

If you can finder a dealer with a Lumagen nearby I'd highly recommend taking a look.

 

 

 

 

 

Point taken, thanks for the input Rec.709

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18 minutes ago, MrC said:

Not sure whether we are talking about the same Cineslide then !!!  There is a big difference in price here!!

Yep got mine second hand at great price. Has an ir receiver for a remote but I never got a remote. 

 

Mark Techer is probably the best person to be taking to about scope as he is the designer and manufacturer of the Aussiemorphic range of lenses. 

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15 hours ago, drummerboy01 said:

My screen size is 130 inch scope. Definitely would love to brighten up HDR and definitely stretch from 16x9 to 2.37. What I want to be able to do is grab any 16x9 movie and watch it in scope to it’s full potential. Have been told to go the lens but everyone seems to be buying Lumagen.Am looking at 6000.00 to spend but of course if there is no need to spend that much  to get the same result I would welcome the idea.

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1 hour ago, Tasso said:


Let us know how you go.

I have been into the JVC menu and set the colour profile from BT.2020 to standard and found that in darker scenes it was slightly clearer with less grain, if any, but the colour dropped significantly. But it could be something i am not used to as my settings have probably been bad for so long i would not know what is good to begin with. I have Mark Techer coming up to calibrate so i will likely learn what is a mature picture whilst he is here. But yea, i can see where you are coming from and why you suggested to try . It did make a difference but me not knowing where to take it from there is another issue. I do have my colour management set to on but i think i will leave that to Mark when he arrives as i would most likely make it worse. At least i will learn an understanding of what all these setting do and how they interact with one another when Mark gets here. I switched it back to BT 2020 as the colours were to good to ignore.Well at least for now.?

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1 hour ago, betty boop said:

there's a few things here, as per roachy with light output the lens will certainly help. however more to this, eg with MrC if get calibrated you can get a pretty decent result even with lower light outputs.

 

something like the previous gen jvc definitely suggest a pro calibration unless know and can do self. common things i hear is 

 

newer ones n5/n7 are great out of box also come with dynamic tone mapping which is fantastic !  mainly what lumagen brings, but purchasing newer projector might be a cheaper step selling old than lumagen ! not to say lumagen might not bring other benefits in calibration tone mapping etc. 

 

@Quark might have some comment as lens user with n5 now, with some perspective either way.

Since moving to the new house a couple of years ago, I've had a shorter throw distance than before and when using an X500 had more pincushioning than with the longer throw at the last house. When I purchased the N5 and confirming how much brighter it is, I've dispensed with the lens and slide (I actually told SWMBO that I'd sell the lens and slide to help fund the N5).

 

If you've got a longish throw distance I'd still recommend a lens and slide if you need additional lumens for a scope screen.

 

FYI I've since sold the lens, the cineslide is still available (must put an ad up when I get some time).

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24 minutes ago, tomwu said:

$6000 is crazy no matter it's Lumagen or anamorphic lens.

 

Who said an anamorphic lens is in the region of $6000?

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2 minutes ago, MrC said:

Who said an anamorphic lens is in the region of $6000?

I don't know how much it cost, should be pretty costly. I think lots of US Runco users got that option, it will be surely more expensive than AUD6000 when new.

I'm not aware of any cheap options which also has great output.

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I think if you don't know the cost then you shouldn't be attempting to state what you did.  Clearly my earlier post suggested that a very good lens can be had for much less than a brand new price.

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2 minutes ago, MrC said:

I think if you don't know the cost then you shouldn't be attempting to state what you did.  Clearly my earlier post suggested that a very good lens can be had for much less than a brand new price.

Well, I think I jumped in too fast. removed my earlier comments.

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2 minutes ago, tomwu said:

Well, I think I jumped in too fast. removed my earlier comments.

Thank you for that.

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2 hours ago, drummerboy01 said:

I have been into the JVC menu and set the colour profile from BT.2020 to standard and found that in darker scenes it was slightly clearer with less grain, if any, but the colour dropped significantly. But it could be something i am not used to as my settings have probably been bad for so long i would not know what is good to begin with. I have Mark Techer coming up to calibrate so i will likely learn what is a mature picture whilst he is here. But yea, i can see where you are coming from and why you suggested to try . It did make a difference but me not knowing where to take it from there is another issue. I do have my colour management set to on but i think i will leave that to Mark when he arrives as i would most likely make it worse. At least i will learn an understanding of what all these setting do and how they interact with one another when Mark gets here. I switched it back to BT 2020 as the colours were to good to ignore.Well at least for now.?

 

Ordinarily the difference  between the colour  spaces shouldn't be that dramatic.  I  think Mark will be able to calibrate a decent outcome for HDR and Rec 2020 but I would also ask him to see if he could calibrate a setting  for UHD material with Rec2020 switched out.   There  could be times when you will want more brightness, particularly as the lamp ages. 

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34 minutes ago, Tasso said:

 

Ordinarily the difference  between the colour  spaces shouldn't be that dramatic.  I  think Mark will be able to calibrate a decent outcome for HDR and Rec 2020 but I would also ask him to see if he could calibrate a setting  for UHD material with Rec2020 switched out.   There  could be times when you will want more brightness, particularly as the lamp ages. 

 

34 minutes ago, Tasso said:

 

Ordinarily the difference  between the colour  spaces shouldn't be that dramatic.  I  think Mark will be able to calibrate a decent outcome for HDR and Rec 2020 but I would also ask him to see if he could calibrate a setting  for UHD material with Rec2020 switched out.   There  could be times when you will want more brightness, particularly as the lamp ages. 

Will do mate. With BT 2020 i notice the faces of the actors in the movie, "The Great Wall" a touch redder than with the colour profile on standard especially when the actors were near a fire as the reflection from the fire was more intense and redder on their faces. The problem here though is  my limited knowledge and that i did not know which one was closest to being "right". That's the trouble when you don't know what is right, you can end up chasing your tail and making things worse.

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On 07/05/2020 at 10:00 AM, Rec. 709 said:

If you can finder a dealer with a Lumagen nearby I'd highly recommend taking a look.

Have been doing some exploring/reading about the Lumagen Radiance Pro .... who are the dealers for this in Australia.?  I have emailed the Lumagen sales email address (in the US) but have got no reply.

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16 minutes ago, MrC said:

Have been doing some exploring/reading about the Lumagen Radiance Pro .... who are the dealers for this in Australia.?  I have emailed the Lumagen sales email address (in the US) but have got no reply.

It's mostly installers / calibrators that have access to them, rather than retailers.

Contact the Aussie distributor who should be able to point you in the right direction: https://www.stereo.net.au/brands/lumagen

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6 minutes ago, Marc said:

It's mostly installers / calibrators that have access to them, rather than retailers.

Contact the Aussie distributor who should be able to point you in the right direction: https://www.stereo.net.au/brands/lumagen

Thanks for this .... I thought Cogworks may be the ones.  It appears that no one else is in the game.

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Try curtpalme.com,

 

Thats were I got mine while I was over there a while back...

 

Yeah I think Cogworks are the authorized distributor for Oz units, 

 

 

 

 

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