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Hi,

 

I am getting weird classifieds emails since 4:43pm Sydney time today 2/5/2020. Where the "Price:" field usually is in the email, I am getting a link "Existing user? Sign In   " or "Price: Existing user? Sign In  " which is kind of useless in an email program as the email program can't log into a website - at least the ones I use can't. I expect these emails only go to existing users so not really any need to log in - it would not go to my email if I was not a valid user. Can we revert this behaviour back to just showing the price please?

 

Anthony

 

 

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I suspect that this is part of the process of removing records of past prices

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I found this annoying too.

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What classifieds emails? I don’t get any emails about classifieds ... now I have fomo ....

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33 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

What classifieds emails? I don’t get any emails about classifieds ... now I have fomo ....

By "classifieds emails", I mean the notification emails that can be sent to you if you go to a classifieds area (eg Classifieds - Audio) and click on the "Follow" or "Following" button near the top and set your preferences there to "Send me: An email when new content is posted". Works for forum areas and topics too.

 

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Same here, emails with classifieds suddenly show no pricing, making the emails rather pointless.

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I like it. Adds mystery

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So since the price field in emails has now just been completely removed rather than restored, I suppose I should take the hint that this site is not a democracy and my vote to have the price restored will just be ignored. Might as well just close this thread then.

 

I wonder what the end game is for all this hiding of historical pricing information that the site owner is implementing all of a sudden. It is not just in emails since another thread has indicated that the price is also being removed from expired and sold listings. Perhaps they intend to implement an audiogon bluebook style price estimation service where we are expected to pay to access this information?

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13 minutes ago, aab said:

So since the price field in emails has now just been completely removed rather than restored, I suppose I should take the hint that this site is not a democracy and my vote to have the price restored will just be ignored. Might as well just close this thread then.

 

I wonder what the end game is for all this hiding of historical pricing information that the site owner is implementing all of a sudden. It is not just in emails since another thread has indicated that the price is also being removed from expired and sold listings. Perhaps they intend to implement an audiogon bluebook style price estimation service where we are expected to pay to access this information?

Calm down mate. 
Just because “your” vote hasn’t been implemented doesn’t mean democracy has been overridden. 😂😂

 

This has been a long ongoing discussion and it’s gone that way. 
Get over it. It have nothing to do with StereoNet trying to trick you in some way. 
 


 

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19 minutes ago, aab said:

Perhaps they intend to implement an audiogon bluebook style price estimation service where we are expected to pay to access this information?

One should not jump to conclusions. History here on SN would prove that 9 times out of 10, the assumptions and conclusions are almost always incorrect.

We are evolving. We are trying new things. In fact, SN just set its all time record of most users online at one one time, just this evening.

 

All I do here is with the site's and member's best interests in mind, and sometimes that means making changes that increase site traffic, registration, participation, and much more that continue to make it the number one site in Australia and New Zealand for Hi-Fi and Home Theatre.

 

There are loads of things I could do to further commercialise this website or capitalise on the unparalleled captive audience, but I do not. I strive to find a balance between providing a free resource and it being commercially successful, so that it exists for all to use for another two decades.

 

You should look up the definition of democracy too. Last I checked we're not charging taxes (or entry and membership fees), and management is not elected or voted in. I foot the bill, and take on the risks that come with the running of the site, therefore it's my rules. Which, I believe, are entirely fair, reasonable and 99.9% of those that opt in for free membership of this site, have no trouble with.

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18 minutes ago, aab said:

my vote to have the price restored

was there a vote? Did I miss it

20 hours ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

.. now I have fomo ....

 

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Just now, sir sanders zingmore said:

was there a vote? Did I miss it

 

Did you miss out SSZ?

 

🤣👍🙏

 

Makes two of us....🙏

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24 minutes ago, Marc said:

One should not jump to conclusions. History here on SN would prove that 9 times out of 10, the assumptions and conclusions are almost always incorrect.

We are evolving. We are trying new things. In fact, SN just set its all time record of most users online at one one time, just this evening.

 

All I do here is with the site's and member's best interests in mind, and sometimes that means making changes that increase site traffic, registration, participation, and much more that continue to make it the number one site in Australia and New Zealand for Hi-Fi and Home Theatre.

 

There are loads of things I could do to further commercialise this website or capitalise on the unparalleled captive audience, but I do not. I strive to find a balance between providing a free resource and it being commercially successful, so that it exists for all to use for another two decades.

 

You should look up the definition of democracy too. Last I checked we're not charging taxes (or entry and membership fees), and management is not elected or voted in. I foot the bill, and take on the risks that come with the running of the site, therefore it's my rules. Which, I believe, are entirely fair, reasonable and 99.9% of those that opt in for free membership of this site, have no trouble with.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions. I guess I just don't see who benefits from removing pricing information, so in the absence of this information it is human nature to jump to conclusions. But that is my limitation. I'll drop it. I'll even edit out my previous comments if you like as I can see how it might be considered offensive.

 

My definition of democracy - I guess I am using the original Athenian definition where every member gets a vote on every major decision. It is nothing to do with taxes. I am agreeing with you that this is not a democracy. 

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3 minutes ago, aab said:

Sorry for jumping to conclusions. I guess I just don't see who benefits from removing pricing information, so in the absence of this information it is human nature to jump to conclusions. But that is my limitation. I'll drop it. I'll even edit out my previous comments if you like as I can see how it might be considered offensive.

 

My definition of democracy - I guess I am using the original Athenian definition where every member gets a vote on every major decision. It is nothing to do with taxes. I am agreeing with you that this is not a democracy. 

I kid you not, this is the conclusion I jumped to, and it’s only to demonstrate how two people can look at something. 
I figured it was to creat traffic to the website. If you get an email with the price you don’t Have to go to the site. 
Now if you’re keen you will go to SNA to look. Traffic. 
Then when SNA look for sponsors they can say “we have x traffic on our site per day”

More sponsors- better site- more access to group buys- shows- information and specials.  

 

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48 minutes ago, Mendes said:

Did you miss out SSZ?

 

🤣👍🙏

 

Makes two of us....🙏

Oh, you two weren’t on the mailing list? Hmmm I’m sure that means nothing 😳

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I personally liked the prices remaining, it helped when determining recent market value.

 

Also I think it put off flippers within SNA as the SNA community could see what the original advertised sale price was.

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Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, aab said:

I wonder what the end game is for all this hiding of historical pricing information that the site owner is implementing all of a sudden. It is not just in emails since another thread has indicated that the price is also being removed from expired and sold listings. Perhaps they intend to implement an audiogon bluebook style price estimation service where we are expected to pay to access this information?

If I were you I wouldn't waste your time constructing conspiracy theories and barking at shadows. There are so many better ways to occupy your time on SNA.

 

This has been discussed many times previously and although people have different views on this, the decision has been made.

Somehow, life goes on.

 

I should add that no offence is intended.:)

Edited by rantan

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Could someone please tell me why the price of a sold item is now not displayed? (I seem to have missed the discussion.) Thanks in advance.

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I agree with whites, It *could* be viewed as an attempt to deny valuable insight into the true market worth of a product . I would imagine the outcome of this action would potentially be  inflation of the resale price due to not knowing the fair market price. Also too, I would imagine from a  potential seller’s perspective that they would lose a useful tool for appropriately pricing any product they might want to list on this site.

Personally I just find this action disappointing, no matter the motivation for doing this is.

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The asking price should be what you think it is worth second hand or what you need to cover your costs - less 50% lowballer tax. At least, that's what seems to happen everytime I advertise something.

 

I've always worked on 50% RRP for very second-hand items, or 60-70% for as new, current models with all packaging and accessories, when pricing my own ads.

I generally don't have much desire to investigate the going price. If it doesn't sell, there's either no buyers or you've priced it too high to start with. 14 days later you can lower the price if you desire.

 

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19 minutes ago, Marc said:

The asking price should be what you think it is worth second hand

And knowing the advertised price of other second hand items is a good way of finding out what it's worth.

 

21 minutes ago, Marc said:

If it doesn't sell, there's either no buyers or you've priced it too high to start with. 14 days later you can lower the price if you desire

What if it sells too quickly and you underpriced it because you didn't know the second hand price?

 

As I've said before (I know, I do bang on about this)… I don't understand how having as much transparency as possible can be harmful.

The flip side is quite different, not knowing the going price is potentially bad for everyone (and it makes it so much easier for flippers)

 

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It's not up for debate guys. The decision has been made and it won't please everyone, and I'm OK with that.

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Just wanting to query the logic behind hiding the listed price of FS items in the advert once the topic is marked as Sold?

I know that it stays there in the actual forum date based list, but if you do a search, you can't see the listed price anywhere.

Makes it quite hard to do a search and assess the value of items, even though we have dollar figures everywhere else (eg. the Classifieds Statistics)

cheers

Glenn.

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Recently I've noticed a few changes to the Classifieds section, a couple of these changes I can't quite understand the rationale behind them.

 

First one is that email notifications, sent to members, no longer show the listing price of such classifieds - so one literally needs to visit the site to be able to see the price - this is annoying but I can understand how this might have been done to increase traffic to the main website perhaps? For sponsor sake possibly?

 

Second one, and probably the most annoying/frustrating change, Classified listings are now having their prices removed/omitted once the listing has been sold or expired - this one I tried to make sense of it but I couldn't. We, stereonet members in Australia, are left with having to rely entirely on HiFiShark in order to have any idea of previous listing prices of sold items, which does not show SNA prices anyway. I think a lot of members here would agree that the market of second hand HiFi in Australia is quite different than Europe, USA and Japan. I honestly cannot see how this change can benefit the members of the forum in the long run.

 

Prices of 2nd hand gear on SNA used to be quite sensible, but maybe it will be no more as everyone will be referring to HiFiShark, who does that benefit? Not the member I don't think. 

 

Rant over and out.

 

 

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Posted (edited)

This has been discussed in previous threads and quickly closed.

 

I would be interested in a poll to see whether the community would rather keep the Sold prices for classifieds. There may be a good reason as to why this history is now removed but I haven't seen a reasonable response yet.

Edited by kelossus

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