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Hi all, I have an NAD T763 AVR and recently picked up a Panasonic OLED. The NAD still sounds great does everything I want but only supports DTS/DD on its optical inputs or 2 channel LPCM.
1. Is there any reasonably priced DAC or pre-processor that will support 4K HDMI (18Gbps) and provide 5.1/7.1 analog outputs that I can connect to my NAD. I would be sending 7.1 LPCM from Apple TV, it would be doing the decoding of DTS HD, DD TrueHD etc.  
2. If not, what would be a recommended cost effective replacement for my NAD? Needs to be good for music. Driving Monitor Audio RX6 + centre + RX1 rear

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Suggest getting the NAD T758V3 which has Dirac Live.

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or NAD T758V3 + Exposure 3010S2 Stereo Power Amp

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13 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Suggest getting the NAD T758V3 which has Dirac Live.

Thanks for the suggestion. That would probably do the trick though well out of my budget for what I’d want to spend at least new. If there were used going for around $1k I’d consider it. 
Does anyone know of a Blu-Ray player with a quality DAC that will pass through HDMI (from my ATV) and send the LPCM 7.1 to its analog outs or am I dreaming? :) 

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So looks like Oppo 203 might do that? But not cost effective, I’d be better off replacing the AVR 

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9 minutes ago, rhcp_steve said:

So looks like Oppo 203 might do that? But not cost effective, I’d be better off replacing the AVR 

Correct.  There are not many players with multi channel outputs (Pana Ub900, Ub9000) and even fewer with HDMI inputs, Oppo or Cambridge Audio (rebadged Oppo).  You may get a second hand one for your budget.

 

Multi channel DACs and prepros are expensive as well.

 

That leaves you with an AVR.  

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14 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Correct.  There are not many players with multi channel outputs (Pana Ub900, Ub9000) and even fewer with HDMI inputs, Oppo or Cambridge Audio (rebadged Oppo).  You may get a second hand one for your budget.

 

Multi channel DACs and prepros are expensive as well.

 

That leaves you with an AVR.  

Thanks! Was hoping there’d be a magic cheap solution but guess not.. 

Now.. where can I get a T758 v3 for $1k ..? 🤔

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5 hours ago, rhcp_steve said:

If there were used going for around $1k I’d consider it.....  Now.. where can I get a T758 v3 for $1k ..?

 

I saw this post in the thread below from H.H. Pennypacker that he had a NAD T-758v3 available for $1200 on Wed 8th April in this thread:

 

 

You could buy this NAD T-758v3 for $1200 from H.H. Pennypacker (if still available).

 

You guess you could use the 7.1 Inputs on your existing NAD T763 with the T758v3 to provide additional power (if required) .

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This product may suits you needs:

 

https://www.amazon.com/SKSL-Digital-Converter-Support-Blue-Ray/dp/B019RF7ZVA/

 

Same device on eBay:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HDMI-to-HDMI-7-1ch-Audio-Extractor-Converter-Optical-Digital-to-Analog-LPCM-DAC-/252396847153

 

But read the product reviews. It has a 4K UHD logo, but that doesn't mean it is HDMI 2.0 & HDCP 2.2 compliant. If it isn't and I believe it isn't, you may need to use this injunction with a AVR Key 18Gbps. See:

 

https://www.hdfury.com/product/avr-key/

 

Available for $329.00 from EzyHD. See:

 

https://www.ezyhd.com.au/shop/hdfure-avrkey/

 

Or a BluStream SP12AB-V2 for approx. $139. See:

 

https://www.avaustralia.com.au/blustream-sp12ab-v2-2-4-way-4k-hdmi-2-0-splitter-with-audio-breakout-edid-management/

 

https://www.radioparts.com.au/product/64510002/sp12abv2-1-in-2-out-hdmi-splitter-hdcp2.2-edid-audio-breakout#.XpKrdZpS9t8

 

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The SP12AB-V2 4K HDMI 2.0 splitter distributes a single HDMI source to two simultaneous outputs. The splitter supports full HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 with video resolutions up to and including 4K @ 60Hz 4:4:4.

 

 

This product may also suit you needs. See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUX-11SA-HDMI-Repeater-with-Audio-De-embedding-up-to-LPCM-7-1CH/273830203424?hash=item3fc18d5020:g:sLQAAOSwcvtdRHTd

 

But it doesn't say if it is HDMI 2.0 & HDCP 2.2 compliant. Not even on their web site:

 

https://www.wagneronline.com.au/7-1ch-audio-decoder-only/hdmi-audio-decoder-dd-1080p-7-1ch/clux-11sa-6185/968240/pd/

 

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The audio analogue output supports uncompressed analog LPCM 7.1 and new lossless compressed digital Bitstream (Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD Master Audio) depending on the input sources.

 

However the information is on the manufactures web site here:

 

https://www.cyp.com.au/clux-11sa-hdmi-repeater-with-audio-de-embedding-up

 

http://en.cypress.com.tw/store/catalog/app/product/CLUX-11SA/HDMI-Repeater-with-Audio-De-embedding-up-to-LPCM-7.1CH

 

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  • HDMI, HDCP 1.1 and DVI 1.0 compliant
  • Supports digital video formats in Deep Color Mode from 25 MHz to 225 MHz for 36-bit (12-bit/color)
  • Supports high definition input up to 1080p@60 Hz/24-bit, output resolution follows input
  • Supports HDMI signal amplification and equalization output for repeater function
  • Supports uncompressed digital LPCM 2/5.1/7.1 channels and compressed digital Bitstream (Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD Master Audio) through HDMI input and output ports
  • Supports digital Dolby 2/5.1 and LPCM 2 channels output through optical audio output port
  • Supports LPCM 2/5.1/7.1 signal converted to analog signal and output through multi-channel output ports
  • Integrated HDCP encryption for transmitting protected audio and video content
  • Supports CEC bypass
  • Supports HDMI cable distances up to 20 meters at 1080p (8-bit) and 15 meters at 1080p (12-bit) resolution for the input and 15 meters at 1080p (8-bit) or 10 meters at 1080p (12-bit) resolution for the output

 

 

2020032551152812.20140129132325921.Schem

 

 

Copy of manual here:

 

http://en.cypress.com.tw/_file/store309/p1971/2020032551141603.2016010717857619.CLUX-11SA_DL-Manual_v2.10.pdf

 

So you would need to use this injunction with a AVR Key 18Gbps, or a BluStream SP12AB-V2

 

Here is a owners thread for the CLUX-11SA product on AVForums:

 

https://www.avforums.com/threads/clux-11sa-hdmi-to-analogue-truehd-and-dts-hd.795617/

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21 hours ago, bizzibee said:

This product may suits you needs:

 

https://www.amazon.com/SKSL-Digital-Converter-Support-Blue-Ray/dp/B019RF7ZVA/

 

Same device on eBay:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HDMI-to-HDMI-7-1ch-Audio-Extractor-Converter-Optical-Digital-to-Analog-LPCM-DAC-/252396847153

 

But read the product reviews. It has a 4K UHD logo, but that doesn't mean it is HDMI 2.0 & HDCP 2.2 compliant. If it isn't and I believe it isn't, you may need to use this injunction with a AVR Key 18Gbps. See:

 

https://www.hdfury.com/product/avr-key/

 

Available for $329.00 from EzyHD. See:

 

https://www.ezyhd.com.au/shop/hdfure-avrkey/

 

Or a BluStream SP12AB-V2 for approx. $139. See:

 

https://www.avaustralia.com.au/blustream-sp12ab-v2-2-4-way-4k-hdmi-2-0-splitter-with-audio-breakout-edid-management/

 

https://www.radioparts.com.au/product/64510002/sp12abv2-1-in-2-out-hdmi-splitter-hdcp2.2-edid-audio-breakout#.XpKrdZpS9t8

 

 

 

This product may also suit you needs. See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUX-11SA-HDMI-Repeater-with-Audio-De-embedding-up-to-LPCM-7-1CH/273830203424?hash=item3fc18d5020:g:sLQAAOSwcvtdRHTd

 

But it doesn't say if it is HDMI 2.0 & HDCP 2.2 compliant. Not even on their web site:

 

https://www.wagneronline.com.au/7-1ch-audio-decoder-only/hdmi-audio-decoder-dd-1080p-7-1ch/clux-11sa-6185/968240/pd/

 

 

However the information is on the manufactures web site here:

 

https://www.cyp.com.au/clux-11sa-hdmi-repeater-with-audio-de-embedding-up

 

http://en.cypress.com.tw/store/catalog/app/product/CLUX-11SA/HDMI-Repeater-with-Audio-De-embedding-up-to-LPCM-7.1CH

 

 

 

2020032551152812.20140129132325921.Schem

 

 

Copy of manual here:

 

http://en.cypress.com.tw/_file/store309/p1971/2020032551141603.2016010717857619.CLUX-11SA_DL-Manual_v2.10.pdf

 

So you would need to use this injunction with a AVR Key 18Gbps, or a BluStream SP12AB-V2

 

Here is a owners thread for the CLUX-11SA product on AVForums:

 

https://www.avforums.com/threads/clux-11sa-hdmi-to-analogue-truehd-and-dts-hd.795617/

Thank you that is super helpful! I did come across that first one but dismissed it as it only does 9Gbps but didn’t think to realise that you could theoretically pair it with one of the HDMI splitter options that does to 18Gbps. Though it’s starting to get complicated and I don’t imagine the quality of the DACs in those boxes is going to be great. 
Thinking I may just need to look out for a used T758v3 in Brisbane. Thanks again for your research :)

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15 minutes ago, rhcp_steve said:

Thinking I may just need to look out for a used T758v3 in Brisbane. 

OK, that is what I would do personally.

 

Did you see the link I provided above where H.H. Pennypacker (who lives in Canberra), said he was looking to sell his NAD T-758v3 for $1200?

 

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I have a NAD T-758v3 I’d be willing to move for $1200 for anyone looking. They are very low in power though, but great as a processor, you just need to add power amps.

 

If you did and you want something closer to home, I understand.

 

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

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3 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

OK, that is what I would do personally.

 

Did you see the link I provided above where H.H. Pennypacker (who lives in Canberra), said he was looking to sell his NAD T-758v3 for $1200?

 

 

If you did and you want something closer to home, I understand.

 

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

Thank you yes I did see that post. I’m a little nervous buying used HT interstate and they may also prefer a local buyer, but I’ll certainly think about it 

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2 hours ago, rhcp_steve said:

I’m a little nervous buying used HT interstate and they may also prefer a local buyer, but I’ll certainly think about it 

That is fair enough and I understand completely. If you do consider it as a viable option, you can checkout H.E. Pennypacker's Trader Feedback here:

 

https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/profile/265425-he-pennypacker/?tab=node_feedback_Feedback

 

 

 

 

 

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