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hi my yamaha rx v661 has died , so Im looking for a replacement. I require it for surround sound for streaming mainly.  So I looked in the classifieds and av recievers running with preamps that are capable of running certain speakers etc. etc. I have no idea what any of that means.  I read one article where they are removing the av amp and just running preamps? my tv is a 4k  lg oled65c8pta.  what should I be looking for to achieve great surround sound? I would like the speaker b option as I have speakers setup outside for music. My speaker system was originally sized to match my yamaha. I dont want to spend anymore than 2000. thanks in advance.

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You have a number of options in that price range. I will limit my suggestions to new Yamaha as that is what you currently own and will provide you the best value for money.

 

You could look at used second hand equipment as well.

 

You could simply buy a RX-V685 to replace your RX-V661. See:

 

https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-v685/index.html

 

You can get one for $795. see:

 

https://www.audiotrends.com.au/yamaha-rx-v685.html

 

You could also look at the high grade models in the 85 Series such as the RX-V1085 & RX-V2085.

 

https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/85/index.html

 

You can get a RX-V2085 for $1849. See:

 

https://www.customht.com.au/products/rx-v2085b

 

RX-V1085 for $1399.00. See:

 

Also available at many other retailers such as:

 

https://www.eastwoodhifi.com.au/av-amplification.htm

 

https://www.audiotrends.com.au/home-theatre-tv/home-theatre-components/home-theatre-receivers.html?manufacturer=50&q=home-theatre-tv%2Fhome-theatre-components%2Fhome-theatre-receivers.html

 

 

You could also look at the AVENTAGE Series 9 such as RX-A780, RX-A880, RX-A1080 or RX-A2080. See:

 

https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/aventage/index.html

 

https://www.eastwoodhifi.com.au/av-amplification.htm

 

https://www.audiotrends.com.au/home-theatre-tv/home-theatre-components/home-theatre-receivers.html?manufacturer=50&q=home-theatre-tv%2Fhome-theatre-components%2Fhome-theatre-receivers.html

 

 

Excel HiFi sell Yamaha authorised Refurbished Yamaha Receivers on their Web Site and eBay store.

 

Here is what is currently listed on their eBay store:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=av-comp&hash=item1ce4ed2ce7%3Ag%3ATccAAOSwfkxeWJOY&item=124099833063&_osacat=14981&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Yamaha&_sacat=14981

 

They seem to be only using eBay at the momement as the Web site doesn't show what is available on their eBay store. See:

 

https://www.excelhifi.com.au/audio-visual-receivers/

 

Anyway you get the idea. You have many options available to you.

 

If you want to use a Receiver as a Pre/Pro, you will need one that has Pre-out so you can connect these to the inputs on a Power Amp. You will also need to purchased a Power Amp.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, shnapper20 said:

I read one article where they are removing the av amp and just running preamps? my tv is a 4k  lg oled65c8pta.  what should I be looking for to achieve great surround sound? I would like the speaker b option as I have speakers setup outside for music. 

If your primary use is for surround sound, then you should be using an AVR.  If music is far more important, then use a preamp.  In your case, an AVR should be way to go.

1 hour ago, shnapper20 said:

I would like the speaker b option as I have speakers setup outside for music. My speaker system was originally sized to match my yamaha.

What are your speakers (name, model) and how many are you running for surround?  I assume you are running 2 speakers with Zone B for the outside.

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You will find that there will be posts for just about every brand of AVR.  What are the important things that you need?  Are you happy with Yamaha?  Or do you want to switch to other popular brands like Denon or Marantz which have a slightly different sound?  For great surround sound, I believe Room Correction Software (old but relevant article) makes a difference.

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2 hours ago, shnapper20 said:

what should I be looking for to achieve great surround sound? I would like the speaker b option as I have speakers setup outside for music. My speaker system was originally sized to match my yamaha. I dont want to spend anymore than 2000. thanks in advance.

$2000 is a good budget... anything post 2016, and id encourage to look second hand :)  demo and such. as you pay a big premium for brand new and 2nd hand are a huge bargain as long as dont need latest and greatest and doesnt sound like you do :) 

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ok  I think I found 1,2 or 3 I may like.  I believe from what ive been told the clarity is exceptional with onkyo

 

1..........Onkyo TX-RZ740 9.2   I currently have 2 ceiling  speakers, I believe this av would allow me to  run 4 ceiling speakers 2 fronts a center and a sub with dolby atmos +an additional zone for outside music ?          price 1599    https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/onkyo-tx-rz740-9-2-channel-imax-enhanced-network-av-receiver.html

 

2.........onyko TX-RZ730 9.2   I currently have 2 ceiling  speakers, I believe this av would allow me to run ceiling speakers 2 fronts a center and a sub with dolby atmos +an additional zone for outside music ?   price 1299         https://www.eastwoodhifi.com.au/onkyo-tx-rz730-av-reveiver-dolby-atmos-dolby-vision-9-2-receiver.htm

 

3........Onkyo TX-NR696 7.2  im not sure if I can run 4 ceiling speakers 2 fronts a center and a sub with dolby atmos? or if its  powerful enough to run them ? but the price is brilliant at 899  https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/onkyo-tx-nr696-7-2-channel-av-receiver-with-thxr-certified-selecttm.html

any advice would be appreciated thanks john

 

 

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2 hours ago, hopefullguy said:

not sure why you keep saying 2 fronts+centre+ceiling.. where are your side surrounds? sides are not in the ceiling if you want an atmos set up

 

https://www.dolby.com/us/en/speaker-setup-guides/index.html

My thoughts as well. The value of side surrounds speakers should not be discounted when considering the whole "Surround Sound Experience". Perhaps O/P should also have a read of this:

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/ultimate-surround-sound-guide-different-formats-explained/

 

2 hours ago, shnapper20 said:

I believe from what ive been told the clarity is exceptional with onkyo

No more than any other AV Receiver. Don't always believe what you're told. Let your own ears decide.

 

The Onkyo TX-RZ740 9.2 channel will allow you to do either 7.1.2 or 5.1.4. See:

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-rz740/index.html

 

Look at the manual here on page 19 onward:

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/manuals/pdf/tx-rz740_manual_en.pdf

 

 

Checkout the product info & manual for the Onyko TX-RZ730 9.2 here:

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-rz730/index.html

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/manuals/pdf/tx-rz730_manual_en.pdf

 

 

Here is a Onyko TX-RZ740 to Onyko TX-RZ730 features comparison:

 

https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/onkyo-tx-rz740/australia-and-asia/onkyo-tx-rz730/australia-and-asia/

 

Here is a Onyko TX-RZ740 to Onkyo TX-NR696 features comparison:

 

https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/onkyo-tx-rz740/australia-and-asia/onkyo-tx-nr696/australia-and-asia/

 

Here is a Onyko TX-RZ730 to Onkyo TX-NR696 features comparison:

 

https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/onkyo-tx-rz730/australia-and-asia/onkyo-tx-nr696/australia-and-asia/

 

Also checkout the product info & manual for the Onkyo TX-NR696 7.2 here:

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_components/av_receivers/tx-nr696/index.html

 

https://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/manuals/pdf/tx-nr696_manual_en.pdf

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 I guess my ceiling speakers are my side speakers. The reason being i have nowhere to place them., other than the ceiling.. I cant go listen to them as we are in stage 3 virus lockdown.  thankyou for the links bizzibee the https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/onkyo-tx-rz740/australia-and-asia/onkyo-tx-nr696/australia-and-asia/ is really good

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4 hours ago, bizzibee said:

 

 

No more than any other AV Receiver. Don't always believe what you're told. Let your own ears 

Ive had 2 yamaha amps and both were hard to make out conversations with. Even after messing with levels placement and themes

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4 hours ago, shnapper20 said:

Ive had 2 yamaha amps and both were hard to make out conversations with. Even after messing with levels placement and themes

I assume conversation = the dialogue from movies.  Room Correction Software will solve this. YPAO is not good at this. Onkyo has nothing. Audyssey in Denon and Marantz is good for movies. Dirac is excellent for room correction. NADT758V3 within budget when on sale but may not have enough channels for both ceiling and zone 2.

 

Also, you mentioned 2nd room and the Onkyo models. Please check the manuals to see how Room 2 is connected. Are they powered or just using preouts?

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5 hours ago, shnapper20 said:

Ive had 2 yamaha amps and both were hard to make out conversations with. Even after messing with levels placement and themes

audyssey is blindingly good for this....also amps here help with detail and clarity at even amazing low levels. with eg watching TV we can have news on at even -70db vol level in back ground and hear clearly what being said. denon and marantz with audyssey have both dynamic EQ and dynamic volume that help amazingly with this. dynamic volume would only use for TV but dynamic eq makes sure things are appropriately EQ's to take care of deficiency of human hearing at different levels below reference. ...

 

the other thing very important about vocals is also a VERY good centre speaker... get THE best one can afford and fit in...it is THE most important speaker in a multichannel setup..

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53 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

I assume conversation = the dialogue from movies.  Room Correction Software will solve this. YPAO is not good at this. Onkyo has nothing. Audyssey in Denon and Marantz is good for movies. Dirac is excellent for room correction. NADT758V3 within budget when on sale but may not have enough channels for both ceiling and zone 2.

 

Also, you mentioned 2nd room and the Onkyo models. Please check the manuals to see how Room 2 is connected. Are they powered or just using preouts?

with the yamahas they did have room correction just didnt appear to work. the onkyo im looking at have " Premium AccuEQ Advance room-acoustic calibration with multi-point measurement ensures balanced sound." the txrz730 is 1400$ has an overall power consumption of 760w  using a 5.1.2 arrangement this would give me 70w/channel zone 3 is powered. or I can use a preout with another amp if I find there is not enough power to drive all my speakers. the nad t758v3 is 2250$ doesnt list total power consumption but does list  60w/channel when using 7 speakers .  Thanks for the suggestion but at this stage its still the onkyo

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38 minutes ago, betty boop said:

the other thing very important about vocals is also a VERY good centre speaker... get THE best one can afford and fit in...it is THE most important speaker in a multichannel setup..

hi my center speaker is a yamaha ns-c300 nominal 140w @ 6ohms max 400w I was assured when I purchased this yrs ago  that it was up to the job. Please correct me if you feel thats not the case . thanks john

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1 hour ago, shnapper20 said:

with the yamahas they did have room correction just didnt appear to work. the onkyo im looking at have " Premium AccuEQ Advance room-acoustic calibration with multi-point measurement ensures balanced sound." the txrz730 is 1400$ has an overall power consumption of 760w  using a 5.1.2 arrangement this would give me 70w/channel zone 3 is powered. or I can use a preout with another amp if I find there is not enough power to drive all my speakers. the nad t758v3 is 2250$ doesnt list total power consumption but does list  60w/channel when using 7 speakers .  Thanks for the suggestion but at this stage its still the onkyo

It is good that you are using total power consumption as a guide. NAD T758V3 definitely has 7x60W simultaneous power (& stupid they do not publish power consumption!) Nothing wrong with Onkyo power.

 

You wanted superb surround sound and better dialog. Please read the room correction software link which covers many packages and educate yourself. Both Yamaha and Onkyo have poor room correction. Denon and Marantz have Audyssey which is much better and is a better choice than Yamaha and Onkyo. 

 

If you are serious about sound, please don't buy based on price and list of so called features. 

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16 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

You wanted superb surround sound and better dialog. Please read the room correction software link which covers many packages and educate yourself. Both Yamaha and Onkyo have poor room correction. Denon and Marantz have Audyssey which is much better and is a better choice than Yamaha and Onkyo. 

ok ill keep researching thanks

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hmm ok lets get back to basics. information required to make informed opinions.

 

room size, current room set up/use, your current speakers/sub. yes your centre is noted but where is it in relation to your seating, have you set all speakers as "small", did you boost the centre by +3db over the front speaker settings (quite standard by a lot of people),

 

ceiling surrounds will not work because atmos is basically 2 "layers" , standard 5 channel set up at around seated ear level separated from the atmos upper sound level, ceiling/height speakers.

 

you might consider the new denon avr 3600 as it has audyssey xt32 auto set up and is 9.2 channel/11 preouts but the onks you are looking at are $400 cheaper. as for some sort of clearer sound from the onkyo vs others... more about speaker/room set up i feel.

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1 hour ago, shnapper20 said:

hi my center speaker is a yamaha ns-c300 nominal 140w @ 6ohms max 400w I was assured when I purchased this yrs ago  that it was up to the job. Please correct me if you feel thats not the case . thanks john

hi john, there is always better, but as long as feel you have best available that can afford and fit... we all have limitations :) 

 

8 hours ago, shnapper20 said:

 I guess my ceiling speakers are my side speakers. The reason being i have nowhere to place them., other than the ceiling.. I cant go listen to them as we are in stage 3 virus lockdown.  thankyou for the links bizzibee the https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/onkyo-tx-rz740/australia-and-asia/onkyo-tx-nr696/australia-and-asia/ is really good

missed this before, ...look as long as not planning on atmos/dts-x or auro3d having your ceiling speakers as regular surrounds people have done and do still do. it just wont work if regular surrounds are in the ceiling if hoping to do atmos and such that need a height differential between regular surrounds in the lower "bed" vs height speakers or surrounds that need to have some height differential to make them heights...somewheee in order of 3ft or 900mm or more seems to work as a height differential. in the absolute ideal bed surrounds can be at ear height and height surrounds  and height speakers in the ceiling. but appreciate not everyone can do that. i myself run my regular surrounds about 2 foot above ear height which works well not so right in the ear... and still sufficient height to in ceilings as i have high ceiling in 2.7m and seems enough differential for it to work :) 

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18 minutes ago, hopefullguy said:

ceiling surrounds will not work because atmos is basically 2 "layers" , standard 5 channel set up at around seated ear level separated from the atmos upper sound level, ceiling/height speakers.

well that changes things

 

7 minutes ago, betty boop said:

it just wont work if regular surrounds are in the ceiling

bugger.  im going to sketchup my room list my components and put it up for dicussion. thankyou

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With all due respect to what others have said, if you have a problem with dialogue and the centre speaker, it is more than likely that your Yamaha Centre speaker isn't very good, is faulty or something has gone wrong in your speaker setup process.

 

Also disable any digital sound processing (DSP) modes. Some of these can completely stuff up dialogue in a movie depening on what is being used.

 

Disable the room correction and manually adjust the speaker size, distance and sound levels. It is not that hard to do. Years ago, everyone had to do this as there was no automatic setup available.

 

You will need a decibel meter. If you don't have one, there are several decibel meter apps available for both Android and iOS devices,. While generally not as accurate as a dedicated decibel meter, they’ll get the job done.

 

Have a read of this guide:

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/home-theater-calibration-guide-manual-speaker-setup/

 

Then play a movie and listen to the dialogue. If it still isn't easy to understand amongst the other sound, go back to the speaker setup and increase the centre channel level until it is.

 

If you are stuck at home, you have more than enough time to sort this out before you buy a new Receiver. Buy a new Receiver by all means (as your existing Yamaha RX-V661 is 13 years), but get to the bottom of the dialogue issue because I don't beleive it is a problem with the Receiver itself.

 

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10 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

With all due respect to what others have said, if you have a problem with dialogue and the centre speaker, it is more than likely that your Yamaha Centre speaker isn't very good, faulty or something has gone wrong in your speaker setup.

could be placement too... THE best centre can be screwed if positioning doesnt help. :) 

 

ideally OP post us a pic of front stage will give us some clues

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11 minutes ago, betty boop said:

could be placement too... THE best centre can be screwed if positioning doesnt help. :)

It certainly can!

 

11 minutes ago, betty boop said:

ideally OP post us a pic of front stage will give us some clues

That would help for sure.

 

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47 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

With all due respect to what others have said, if you have a problem with dialogue and the centre speaker, it is more than likely that your Yamaha Centre speaker isn't very good, is faulty or something has gone wrong in your speaker setup process.

 

Also disable any digital sound processing (DSP) modes. Some of these can completely stuff up dialogue in a movie depening on what is being used.

 

Disable the room correction and manually adjust the speaker size, distance and sound levels. It is not that hard to do. Years ago, everyone had to do this as there was no automatic setup available.

 

You will need a decibel meter. If you don't have one, there are several decibel meter apps available for both Android and iOS devices,. While generally not as accurate as a dedicated decibel meter, they’ll get the job done.

 

Have a read of this guide:

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/home-theater-calibration-guide-manual-speaker-setup/

 

Then play a movie and listen to the dialogue. If it still isn't easy to understand amongst the other sound, go back to the speaker setup and increase the centre channel level until it is.

 

If you are stuck at home, you have more than enough time to sort this out before you buy a new Receiver. Buy a new Receiver by all means (as your existing Yamaha RX-V661 is 13 years), but get to the bottom of the dialogue issue because I don't beleive it is a problem with the Receiver itself.

 

hi bizzibee I would but the amp died thats why im posting here to see about replacing it

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2 minutes ago, shnapper20 said:

hi bizzibee I would but the amp died thats why im posting here to see about replacing it

OK, sorry mate, I missed that vital detail.

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