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Intrested in recommendations for a pair of speakers that work well when place closer to a wall 20-30cm and relatively far apart around 2.2m. I listen in a medium sized room 3.8 X 4.1 which is well dampend.

 

Currently running PMC 25.23s which I really happy with just wondering if there  is anything else i should put on my radar especially in the active category. I like to listen to rock, electronic and acoustic music, and my priorities are detail retrieval and imaging  without sounding flat and analytical. 

 

The PMCs seem to have worked the best in my room but Ideally they need to sit about 50-60cm forward of where they are to really image well but a door way forbids that location, I've tried the below before and moved them all on so looking at other options

 

Usher Mini Dancers 

Vivid 1.5

Dynaudio X12

PSB Synchrony 1s

PSB Synchrony 2s

Tannoy XTF6

Concept 40s

KEF LS40s

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Show us a photo from the other side mate. Looks a pretty simple fix to me, change  the strap bolt, door stop and handle. Would be a bit bogging and patching but any decent chippy or handyman should be

Can you invert the room's configuration with AV system at opposite end of room?  

Nothing wrong with PMC 25.23 I would add acoustic panels behind speakers and maybe speaker stands.    https://www.soundseasy.com.au/products/primacoustic-london-8?variant=91479593

what source do you have feeding the speakers, just saw the list at the bottom of your post

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It's changed a bit now running a moon 340i, Also a roksan Caspian M2 which does an admiral job. Also had a Supernait which did an excellent job in the end the moon won out for convenience with its on board DAC and phono pre. Had a demo of a Roksan Blak which would have been a definite keeper of it only had pre outs for the sub

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Can you please provide a sketch of your room, where your speakers are and your sitting position.

 

Yes, everyone has room limitations and WAF consideration in a non dedicated room. But NO speaker will sound good if poorly positioned, especially for bass.

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here is a pic of the situation, as you can see i can't bring the speakers any further into the room unless they are closer to the centre.

 

with the PMC bringing them close together compresses my sound stage, when I leave them at the same plane but bring them 30cm more forward they hit the sweet spot. Pushing them further back and they are in the corners which causes all kinds of nasty room interactions

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8 minutes ago, mpearce38 said:

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Shame you cannot reverse these doors and keep the one closest to speaker permanently closed?

 

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My first thought is to convert it to a sliding door.. especially when you consider how it allows all kinds of speakers

Having a rear ported with a bung: IMO doesn't sound the same

Front ported speakers are not as common..

 

The B&W 805 falls into this - I've used past editions and they sound very good. 

If your money stretches to it, the 804 is nice, but the towers will prefer some space around them..  so having a speaker so close to the wall is hard.


The Monitor Audio Bronze 2 is a very nice speak, and works well close to the wall but it's not exactly comparable to your other choices...

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Show us a photo from the other side mate. Looks a pretty simple fix to me, change  the strap bolt, door stop and handle. Would be a bit bogging and patching but any decent chippy or handyman should be able to sort it

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Haha great minds think alike, I'm big on the room treatments and have a London 10 kit already with diffusion on the rear walls 

 

No issues with the sound quality tonaly it's all about the imaging and not being able to have the speakers in their sweet spot. Hence why thinking different speaker might work better if closer together as the PMC do like a bit of width

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Audio physics, I almost bought a pair of those a few years ago, might be an interesting listen

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One of my rooms is very similar to that.It was formerly used as an office but I changed it to a second audio room.

My Yamaha NS75Ts sound really good in there in that type of position.Wide baffle ,stand mount, sealed box speakers suit it best.Which really limits your choice but such speakers do exist.

 

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10 minutes ago, mpearce38 said:

Would  Harbeth fit that description?

No.Lossy style cabinets are likely to overload the corners.Most Harbeths are also ported.

I also built a pair of Meniscus Kairos kit speakers in the sealed box version which work well in there.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, mpearce38 said:

I have also been thinking about the ATC 19A being sealed design and keen to.try activies

If you do look into the 19 actives, try them with the CDA2 pre/dac/cdp. I borrowed one from @JDWest/Sublime Hifi for a few days. Would make for a very good minimalist system.

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7 hours ago, mpearce38 said:

Haha great minds think alike, I'm big on the room treatments and have a London 10 kit already with diffusion on the rear walls 

 

No issues with the sound quality tonaly it's all about the imaging and not being able to have the speakers in their sweet spot. Hence why thinking different speaker might work better if closer together as the PMC do like a bit of width

Have you try to move one or more panels behind speakers? They should help to absorb reflections from back and side walls. 

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The best set up to reduce reflections is below, I have one behind the speaker one in the corner and one at the 1st reflection point.  I have the single tile on the front wall behind the projector screen which has an acoustically transparent screen

 

I'd love to play with having more diffusors as the room is quite dead 

 

 

 

 

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@mpearce38, @Aperalim suggested to reverse the room configuration, i agree that this would be the most cost effective move seeing you are happy with the PMC speakers, have you considered this, the door wouldn't be such an issue?

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4 minutes ago, wen said:

@mpearce38, @Aperalim suggested to reverse the room configuration, i agree that this would be the most cost effective move seeing you are happy with the PMC speakers, have you considered this, the door wouldn't be such an issue?

Unfortunately not an option there is a recess which houses the projector and AV cabinet 

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2 minutes ago, Stereophilus said:

I love my PMCs, but I believe you would benefit from trying speakers specifically designed for near wall optimum performance.  The best option imo is Audio Note.  
 

https://www.audionote.co.uk/an-e-speakers

I guess this is an example of wide baffle design looks intresting

 

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i see that, but, the couch could go there, sometimes thinking out of the square with the gear and room you have can have excellent results

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18 minutes ago, mpearce38 said:

Unfortunately not an option there is a recess which houses the projector and AV cabinet 

Aha understood OK time for Plan E : )

Rehanging your doors (inverted L-R) seems a good idea will be affordable and, most importantly, will maximise your choices of speakers by giving you the most floorspace within which to accommodate a number of options well out from your front wall.

Cheers

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9 hours ago, mpearce38 said:

Would  Harbeth fit that description?

I'm not going to argue with the advice above about the Harbeths as probably not a great option however if you like that style of speaker Audio Note UK speakers are designed to be placed in the corners so may well suit your room as it is.

 

The other speakers I can think of that is designed to be close to the rear wall are the 4xxx series JBLs though might be a bit of a squeeze in that space....

 

Some of the early Thiels were also designed to be close to the back wall though the from the pair I've heard the soundstage was slightly compromised.

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9 hours ago, mpearce38 said:

Was also thinking  if a pair of electrostatic speakers would be a option

No, the complete opposite actually.

Being a dipole speaker electrostats  generally need to be a fair way out in the room.

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54 minutes ago, Irek said:

That door can be converted into sliding/hanging door. 

Agreed but that could be a much more expensive option than refitting the locking hardware and its also more challenging to acoustically seal a sliding door as effectively as these doors appear to seal already?

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I think the Buchardt S400's sound perfect for your situation.  I currently have mine in a very similar room to yours and it sounds incredible, especially for electronic and vocals which I listen a lot to.  Just need a decent amp to drive them and solid stands.

 

They also now do an active speaker and have free delivery and a 30 day return policy so could be worth a shot.

 

https://www.buchardtaudio.com/

 

Good luck!

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Thanks looks like a very interesting design, shame the exchange rate is so poor atm as they are quite exy.

 

Ive been playing around with the room a lot the last week, given it is a great escape from the world atm.

 

have pulled the speaker as far forward as possible into the room and payed with moving the panels around and pulled the couch forward a little to try and get close to the equilateral  triangle.

 

also played around with the DSP in roon, As well as tweaking with my signal chain, which involves a highly entertaining 3 way DAC shootout. Also have a measurement mix comming so hope to use the roon DSP functionality 

 

Ive reach a good point with the room certainly the best it has sounded, thanks for all the suggestions 

 

im trying to sell off some gear to funds stage two for the room which will be 

 

-upgrading my cables

-simplifying my music source with a roon based Streamer / integrated like the Hegel 190

-experiment with some bass traps and additional diffusers 

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3 hours ago, Jambro said:

I think the Buchardt S400's sound perfect for your situation.  I currently have mine in a very similar room to yours and it sounds incredible, especially for electronic and vocals which I listen a lot to.  Just need a decent amp to drive them and solid stands.

 

They also now do an active speaker and have free delivery and a 30 day return policy so could be worth a shot.

 

https://www.buchardtaudio.com/

 

Good luck!

I’d be interested to know how far from the wall you have these. The rear facing woofer is very interesting I’ve seen rear tweeter designs and side loaded subs but never rear subs??

 

what kind of amp do you recon they would need?

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