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Will my Yamaha Receiver drive Dynaudio Emit M20’s?

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Ok @Snoopy8, so I get your point on sound quality but surely power is part of the sound quality equation. If the speakers require a certain power to sound good then whatever is connected needs to be at or above that certain level otherwise the quality will be rubbish. I've even read that under-powering a speaker can damage it.

 

Applying the efficiency formula you applied earlier in the thread means the Powernode will have 36 watts per channel. This is pretty close to the 33 watts per channel on my AVR calculation. Have the comments above been more about the sound quality of the AVR, cause earlier on in the thread it seemed to me like some people were saying the AVR wouldn't have the power to drive the Emit M20's?

 

As you mentioned earlier, if I can live with AVR sound, so be it.

 

You also mentioned I should do a comparison with the AVR and an integrated amp, is your estimation that I would see a noticeable and significant improvement with the Powernode?

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@Lashes Unlike AVRs, the stereo numbers are true numbers. There is a standard for the declaration for stereo but not multi channel. The AVR manufacturers chose to interpret that standatd, each in their own way, for multi channel units to maximise its marketing potential (i.e. BS!).

 

I am keen for you to learn about the difference in music sound quality between an AVR (jack of many trades) and a stereo system (does music only).  Some people find the AVR acceptable (because of budget, space, mainly casual listening etc).  If you fall into this category, then the next step is to get a best possible AVR with the largest true power.

 

But if you prefer the sound of a stereo integrated, then this whole thread becomes redundant.

 

I have said far too much in this thread already and irritated a few people. 

Please go away (said nicely!)  and listen... 😀 

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The specs given by Yamaha for the RX-V3073 are pretty clear 

 

Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 150W (8ohms, 0.06% THD)

 

Those for the Powernode are somewhat vague

 

60 Watts x 2 into 8 ohms

 

i.e no frequency range or distortion level given.

 

The Yamaha will definitely deliver significantly more power in stereo mode and plenty to drive Dynaudio Emit 20.

 

 

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I think this thread has run its course for the moment. My plan from here is to take my AVR to my auditions. 

Thank you to the people who contributed and made me aware of some things to look into further.

 

I will endeavour to update this thread once I’ve gotten set up. In case it helps someone in the future. 

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I was in a similar position a while ago trying to power my dynaudio bookshelfS from a yamaha receiver (rookie error) At high levels my receiver would go into meltdown and shutoff simply because its not designed to push a 4 ohm load all day long. Thats not to say that it sounded terrible at low-med levels. I would probably jump on an 6-8 ohm speaker to get started simply because you already have the receiver and then probably plan for a better setup as you interests evolve. Those paradigms mentioned above would get you up and running quite nicely. The dynaudios are gonna be a little too thirsty for your receiver and any capable salesman should probably outline that to you. 

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16 minutes ago, $piro said:

I was in a similar position a while ago trying to power my dynaudio bookshelfS from a yamaha receiver (rookie error) At high levels my receiver would go into meltdown and shutoff simply because its not designed to push a 4 ohm load all day long. Thats not to say that it sounded terrible at low-med levels. I would probably jump on an 6-8 ohm speaker to get started simply because you already have the receiver and then probably plan for a better setup as you interests evolve. Those paradigms mentioned above would get you up and running quite nicely. The dynaudios are gonna be a little too thirsty for your receiver and any capable salesman should probably outline that to you. 

Were they emits? 

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They are dm 2/8.  Have an 8 inch driver that can push hard down low and am giving them lots of stick via an emotiva power amp. They sound big and clean for an entry level dynaudio

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5 minutes ago, $piro said:

They are dm 2/8.  Have an 8 inch driver that can push hard down low and am giving them lots of stick via an emotiva power amp. They sound big and clean for an entry level dynaudio

So no. As Roland said the Emits had effort put in to work better with AVRs and aren't as much of a difficult load as the DM series this shows that AVRs just don't do a good job even with entry level bookshelves and even the likes of emotiva can be an upgrade. 

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Would it be safe to say that he can power them but not satisy them ?

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47 minutes ago, $piro said:

Would it be safe to say that he can power them but not satisy them ?

yeah like my first post. I ran Emits on Denon, Marantz, Yamaha and others daily. If it were only a surround HT system going for then fine but music seems to be a priority

There is a lot more to popular name, modern AVRs that are detriment to music performance than just power ratings. Power ratings are the last thing to worry about

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Look a used pair of Emit M20 is available in the Classifieds. Unfortunately located in Brisbane though. 

 

 

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Thanks @LHC I did some auditioning on the weekend in store. One of the options was the Emit M20’s.

 

i discussed how my avr would go. I was advised that it would be fine for the emits but would struggle with any of the other higher model Dynaudios. 
 

That’s probably the end of this thread for me. However, I thought someone who finds this thread later might be interested in my perspective of the auditions. That’s next. 
 

I listened to the kef Ls50, richter Merlin s6 and the Dynaudio Emit M20’s. To my ears, the Dynaudios were my least favourite. (It probably didn’t help that on one of my auditioning tracks the first sound brought out a vibration in the driver.) I was told it had been a floor model for quite sometime and may have been dropped. That aside, wasn’t the sound I was looking for. 
 

Quite liked the LS50’s, but that aluminium midrange driver was a little in your face for me.
 

So my pick was the Richter Merlin S6. For me it had a bigger sound stage than the other two. It even provided an element of instrumentation separation. The tones it produced seem to match what I’m looking for in a speaker. In the price range I’m looking at, I think these might be hard to beat!

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@Lashes you original query inspired me to do further research and down a few blind alleys.  I now have definitive data to backup what I will say.

Your Yamaha will deliver to specs regarding stereo power.  My views have changed since I dug up Test Bench data from Sound & Vision who did their own independent measuring.

 

Please note that while power itself is enough, your Yamaha has basic analog stages and a multi channel DAC.   AVRs are not enough for my music requirements but you may be happy with it.

 

Happy listening.

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Thanks @Snoopy8, I posted in your other thread before I realised you’d posted here... well done on the researching. I think if people want to track this thread in the future they will benefit by looking at your thread as well. 

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