mattjtaylor2809 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Tony M said: Matt, I know you've heard many or most of the suggestions so far. Here's one totally from left field, too impracticable to be anything but academic interest. But, let's set up the 4 pairs of stacked Wharfedale E50's and set them loose on some proper rock music. From memory, this absolutely nails the sound you want to hear and I'm super keen to find out if my memory matches the reality. Tony, you’re on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Tony M said: Here's a pic from almost 10 years ago - but that was the last time this set-up was heard! It's about time it rocked again! You guys are like undisciplined adolescents! I Like it !, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren69 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 12 hours ago, TDX said: Send it to me Please I think you have done OK for 2020 Mr @TDX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 This could be our “wall of sound” for our next CAS playing The Grateful Dead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdan Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Tony M said: Matt, I know you've heard many or most of the suggestions so far. Here's one totally from left field, too impracticable to be anything but academic interest. But, let's set up the 4 pairs of stacked Wharfedale E50's and set them loose on some proper rock music. From memory, this absolutely nails the sound you want to hear and I'm super keen to find out if my memory matches the reality. Which is why I'm looking for a pair for my second system Tony!! However I don't think they will have the detail Matt would also want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakabatou Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Tony M said: Here's a pic from almost 10 years ago - but that was the last time this set-up was heard! It's about time it rocked again! Who are the lads hiding behind the stacks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christosd Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Jesse Pinkman"s system would probably Rock... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 21 hours ago, Ray H said: I expect the Ayre combination he has would be significantly better than the Primare. But......I’m going to go against the grain and say the Ayre amp combo is as much to blame for the lack of rock suitability as the speakers, perhaps more. I would bet if you heard your speakers with a Gryphon Diablo for example, you would love the sound with rock. In other words, there are amps that are better suited to rock than the Ayre’s. Dont get me wrong, the Ayre amps are superb, I would love to own them, in my experience they just aren’t that suited to rock. Sticking to the original question though, you. could do worse than the Vienna Acoustics the music. Or if you purchased an amp like the Gryphon, you could then upgrade to the Dyn C4’s that are going cheap at the moment. I do agree with the JBL speakers recommendation, say the 3900 or 4700 amongst others, would suit the genre well. In a completely different direction, Avantgarde sound fantastic with rock also, the dynamics are spectacular and you don’t need big amps either. Another alternative is to go Active, which has definite advantages from an amp to speaker matching perspective, try the Dutch &Dutch or Kii 3’s, which you could easily purchase if you sold your amps, even the Dyn x600’s. Sorry if my post branches away from what the OP asked, but I felt it would be remiss to not consider all options including amp change. When it comes to tight, fast & detailed bass Primare is on a very very high level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray H Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Irek said: When it comes to tight, fast & detailed bass Primare is on a very very high level. I haven’t heard the A35 yet, I have owned the i32, the pre 32 and a32 power. I hope the 35 is a better amp than the I32, which was very dry and mechanical sounding IME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpearce38 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Id recommend a Roksan Caspian M2 very entertaining amp especially on rock. For speaker I had a pair of Tannoy XTF6 they were super good with rock didnt have the caspian at that stage but I'd suspect it would be a very entertaining listen. Edited March 1, 2020 by mpearce38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Ray H said: I haven’t heard the A35 yet, I have owned the i32, the pre 32 and a32 power. I hope the 35 is a better amp than the I32, which was very dry and mechanical sounding IME. I haven't heard i32 but the new i35 sounds pretty good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 Hi Guys, Thanks for the contributions, pretty happy with my Ayre Pre & Power combo so at this stage just looking into speakers. It’s not to say that different amplification maybe the answer but at this stage, speakers are what I’m investigating. Tonight I Demo’d a pair of Contrast Souls. I’ll dig out the specs which are quite different to my Dyn focus 380’s, ie smaller drivers, different crossover configuration etc. If you’ve not heard about Contrast speakers I suggest you google them as they are an interesting design which seems to result in fantastic percussion & voicing, detail..the only thing they lacked was overall scale which just comes down to how much air they can shift. Maybe paired with a subwoofer(s) they could be an option so I’ll try that during the week. They are an attractive speaker My Dyn’s are behind. What I’m thinking maybe a good fit are JBL S3900’s but these aren’t sold in SA & I don’t know if anyone has them In SA that I could listen too? Cheers all Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 Spec's on the Souls Drive Unit complement: one 1" tweeter, one 5.5" mid-range, two 5.5" woofer Power Handling: 100 watt Nominal Impedance: 4 ohms Sensitivity (1W@1M): 94 dB Frequency Range (± 3db): 27 Hz - 20 000 Hz Terminal: spades and bananas, single-wire Dimensions (H x W x D): 40 x 8 x 13 inch (990x200x323 mm) Weight (per piece): 65 lbs (30 kg) Contact @Grizzly for more info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Something left of field but seeing as though you're in Adelaide you might be able to hear the Krix 3 way X series Theatrix and top of the line Cinematix. I know they are "cinema" speakers but if you can accept a good speaker is a good speaker I'm confident TOOL will find it's way into every part of your ear canal with these. https://www.krix.com.au/3-way-x/ https://www.krix.com.au/theatrix/ https://www.krix.com.au/cinematix/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 I do wonder how god these would be with 2 CH stereo, I'll see if anyone demo's them in SA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deanB Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Don't know if you have had any experience with Adelaide Speakers, Matt but Edward has been developing new models in his top of the pile Transcender range. I've been pretty happy with the rockability of the medium size Summoner 863 and my current model, the largish 3 way Monitor 823. At least you're in the right part of Oz to score a demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 Ha ha....I had Summoners a few years back & Adelaide Speakers are excellent value for money, maybe a possibility but the big issue is demo'ing, unless he now has speakers available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Poort Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Nothing personal to other posters, but i wouldn't bother with other amps, that's not the issue. Also stand mount speakers and sub not gonna do it. The Souls 2x5.5" woofers is also not gonna cut it. Smaller drivers is not the answer. Your room is a decent size so i wouldn't worry about speakers being to big. (no such thing! Not sure of your budget, but from the suggestions so far i would agree on a budget Cerwin Vega with a sub or two would work, also Klipsch Cornwall or Forte if budget is lower. JBL is another good choice the 4367 is a great speaker, newer and better technology compared with the S3900, the 4367 with a sub or two would be a great choice. The Krix that Satanica recommended will definitely ROCK (maybe a little brash???) haven't heard them. Regards fellow TOOL fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deanB Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said: Ha ha....I had Summoners a few years back & Adelaide Speakers are excellent value for money, maybe a possibility but the big issue is demo'ing, unless he now has speakers available? My line of thought was if he's developing new models then there should be a window of opportunity to get a demo. Nothing like a bit of customer feedback at the fine tuning stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thanks Rob, Yep, not that interested at this stage changing Pre & Power. I like the Ayre gear & just had the power amp upgraded to Twenty spec so it's not going anywhere soon. The 4367's are great & I would buy them in a heart beat but I think they will be still too much money as I'm looking at something 2nd hand, well below $10K. I know Klapp AV have a pair of S4700's I could haggle down (I think they were advertised in store close to $12K at some stage) but that's still too many clams. I did listen to the Forte III's (when over in Melbourne for the TOOL concert) & they didn't grab me, they were ok when only 20-30 cms from the rear wall (due to it's rear ported sub), but when we pulled them out to about 1 mtr (which thet would need to in my room) they just didn't give you a consistent sound across all frequencies & bass dropped away considerably. The Cornwalls look great but no-one is demo'ing them that I can see, certainly in either Melbourne or here in SA. Those Krix look like they will ROCK hard & give you a big sound, sensitivity also good so my Ayre would have no dramas driving them but I think I may loose too much in other areas but I'd love to hear them. Cheers Matt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, mattjtaylor2809 said: I do wonder how god these would be with 2 CH stereo, I'll see if anyone demo's them in SA? 15 minutes ago, mattjtaylor2809 said: Those Krix look like they will ROCK hard & give you a big sound, sensitivity also good so my Ayre would have no dramas driving them but I think I may loose too much in other areas but I'd love to hear them. https://www.krix.com.au/dealer-locator/ https://www.krix.com.au/contact-us/ Please note that being a manufacturing facility, we may have limited demonstration capabilities depending on many factors. If your local authorised Krix dealer is unable to facilitate a demonstration, please call us beforehand to ensure a Krix team member will be able to assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al.M Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Perhaps already mentioned but your room layout, clutter and stuff are very lacking and to be honest $40-50k of gear in there is gonna struggle to shine, no matter what Speakers you have. What size is the room?, try spacing speakers further apart within 05.-1.0m from side walls to get the equilateral stereo triangle (google that if not known), throw out the left side sofa blocking the sound, tidy up etc, get some expert room acoustics help to make that gear spend work for you in that room vs random attempts, try placing the speakers along the longest wall with enough insulation behind seated position to get an immersive stereo effect even though seat against wall is not usually recommended but it may be better than current setup etc. To do the $30k worth of pre and power amps justice, speakers in that spend range should be aimed for or close to it, but cheaper ones sound good anyway if you maximise all of the above points. Refer to the forum thread post list of recommended speakers per price category. Edited March 2, 2020 by Al.M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtaylor2809 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 Thanks A.I.M. Decluttering & room treatments will be part of my plan, I do have some absorption & diffuser panels already, just not installed. The table behind my seating position is going, the sofa will someday (will replace both for a more modern, modular couch. Room is 5 x7 mtrs. When I've widened the speakers I seem to loose punch but I'm happy to trial again, btw.. I'm well aware of the equilateral stereo triangle. I also tried the rule of 1/5th but that resulted in loosing all bass as my seated position seem to be in the node. Cheers Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al.M Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) The room is big enough to handle bigger driver speakers, which might then fill the node nulls in current seat position. Things like Osborne’s, VAF I 93 and Yamaha NS5000 speaker etc with big bass slam might do. Edited March 2, 2020 by Al.M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Bit of a different option that may not suit and I don't know about fatiguing..... I've been to a few pro audio shops lately and heard quite a few of their PA speakers/systems. Very cheap compared to Hi-Fi and pretty hard to beat for Rock. Many are active too. Might not replace what you have now but maybe could run alongside for when you want to rock the house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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