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My current setup is an Epson TW9100 projector and Yamaha RX-V1067 receiver. Both a little old and only 1080p capable. I'm considering upgrading the projector to 4k, but would like to hold off on a receiver upgrade for now.

 

Source will be an Nvidia Shield. Thinking an HDMI signal duplicator (1 input, 2 output) like this TESmart splitter on Amazon could work to send an unobstructed 4k@60Hz HDR signal to the projector simultaneously with a 7.1 Dolby TrueHD/DTS-MA signal to the amp.

 

I know you can get other splitters that output HDMI video and S/PDIF audio, but that would restrict the audio to lower-res 5.1. The one I linked seems to tick all the boxes, but I'm a bit worried about this apparent contradiction in the description:

 

"Supports simultaneous 4K and 1080p output."

"With smart EDID management, let the source device sends suitable A/V contents to the variable displays."

 

That's good!

 

"if you are running multiple displays with different resolutions, the splitter will send the lowest "common" resolution to all displays. "

 

That's bad, and contradicts the above?

 

For $45 I'll take a punt, but if I go out and buy a new 4k projector and the splitter solution doesn't work then I'll have to also purchase a 4k capable receiver - a lot more than $45!

 

Anyone have any suggestions or experience?

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4 minutes ago, cr1key said:

For $45 I'll take a punt,

better to walk in a store grab one can return than buying online and figuring how to get money back.

 

are you running 2 displays ? indeed if ever running 2 displays and splitting for that it will go lowest common denominator. but as long as both are not switched on (and not using active cables) then only one switched on will decide the resolution.

 

not updating the AVR you are possibly entering a world of pain... keeping in mind splitting audio and video in itself is going to create potential for lip synch as both audio and video is going to be processed differently and not one signal path for either to know. a problem dont have with just one signal path and everything its kept in synch.

 

in store device i am aware off that works is the bluestream. i woudl aim to buy one to try ...return if doesnt work for you.

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@cr1key I have a Blustream splitter that I'm looking to move on as I don't need it anymore. Drop me a PM, I'm happy to take it back if it doesn't work. The cheaper splitters often aren't that great.

 

@betty boopis correct, some AVRs are painful, but you'll work out what works eventually. There are options that are less than a new AVR, but they get increasingly expensive.

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30 minutes ago, Mr_Gimlet said:

@cr1key I have a Blustream splitter that I'm looking to move on as I don't need it anymore. Drop me a PM, I'm happy to take it back if it doesn't work. The cheaper splitters often aren't that great.

 

1 hour ago, betty boop said:

in store device i am aware off that works is the bluestream. i woudl aim to buy one to try ...return if doesnt work for you.

 

You might to wise to take up Mr_Gimlet offer. I'm guessing he is referring to:

 

https://www.blustream.com.au/new-page-5

 

I know the the HDFury AVR Key 18Gbps will do what you want. But it isn't cheap.

 

https://www.hdfury.com/product/avr-key/

 

1 hour ago, betty boop said:

not updating the AVR you are possibly entering a world of pain... keeping in mind splitting audio and video in itself is going to create potential for lip synch as both audio and video is going to be processed differently and not one signal path for either to know. a problem dont have with just one signal path and everything its kept in synch.

 

I went down a similar road to the one you are considering because I didn't want to replace my perfectly fine 1080p Receiver and wasn't interested in Dolby Atmos or DTS:X. I purchased a HDFury Vertex. See:

 

https://www.hdfury.com/product/vertex-4k60-444-600mhz/

 

I wished I had just replaced the Receiver. That is what I did in the end. I purchased a Refurb Yamaha RX-A3080 from Excel HiFi for $1899. But I should have done that to start with. It would have save me money and a lot of stuffing around. I sold the HDFury Vertex to a forum member here on Stereo Net. See:

 

 

You can get a refurb Yamaha RX-V1085 from Excel HiFi for $1,066.03 (with POOL3 discount code). See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/YAMAHA-RX-V1085-AV-Receiver-Aus-Warranty/124063176407

 

Or new Yamaha RX-V1085 for $1,308.53 (with POOL3 discount code) here:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-RX-V1085-7-2-Channel-AV-Receiver-RXV1085B/333260354269

 

Anyway just a thought!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

I purchased a HDFury Vertex

Without going too off topic, why did you buy the Vertex and not the AVRKey? Was there something the Vertex did that you really wanted?

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1 hour ago, betty boop said:

are you running 2 displays ?

No, just the one - projector. The AVR wouldn't have a display plugged into it's output, so I guess it won't report any EDID? If so the splitter would just see the projector, so it should be all good.

 

Sync may be an issue though, as you point out. I can adjust audio delay/ahead in Kodi but not any other media player.

 

19 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

I know the the HDFury AVR Key 18Gbps will do what you want. But it isn't cheap.

Thanks, that's purpose built to solve just this problem. $USD164 inc shipping =~ $AUD250. Plus possible GST. Not cheap as you say.

 

30 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

I wished I had just replaced the Receiver. That is what I did in the end.

You're right of course - this splitter solution might be a frustrating dead end. The HDFury shouId work, but it's expensive and returns might not be possible.

 

I'm just resisting an extra $1k expense when my current AVR is completely fit for purpose in terms of audio. (I only have a 5.1 speaker setup.)

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2 minutes ago, cr1key said:

You're right of course - this splitter solution might be a frustrating dead end. The HDFury shouId work, but it's expensive and returns might not be possible.

 

I'm just resisting an extra $1k expense when my current AVR is completely fit for purpose in terms of audio. (I only have a 5.1 speaker setup.)

 

Yeah, join the club. There is a local HDFury-wallah, EzyHD, with very keen pricing (no Australia tax). I have an unboxed AVRKey on the way so I can return if it doesn't work. That's pretty much the cap of what I want to spend. The official Meridian solution is close to $4k.

 

 

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Thanks Mr_Gimlet. EzyHD is a great local option! Been buying their cables for years.

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2 minutes ago, cr1key said:

Thanks Mr_Gimlet. EzyHD is a great local option! Been buying their cables for years.

Honestly want local option hdfury was source of frustration for me, didn’t really solve my problem. It’s lot cash too

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46 minutes ago, cr1key said:

Thanks Mr_Gimlet. EzyHD is a great local option! Been buying their cables for years.

Yes I purchased my Vertex directly from EzyHD myself.

 

1 hour ago, Mr_Gimlet said:

Without going too off topic, why did you buy the Vertex and not the AVRKey? Was there something the Vertex did that you really wanted?

I had a HD Projector, and 4K 75" TV that needed to be interdependently sync from either a number HD or UHD source devices through a Lenkeng 5 Port HDMI Switch 3D 4K x 2K Switch with the output feed to both the HD Projector & UHD TV at the correct resolution, and HDMI Audio sent to the 1080p HD Receiver. The HDFury Vertex was the only solutions that worked.  If you read my old for sale add here. You will get the idea.

 

 

Any if you look at the price I sold the Vertex for when I eventually realised I should have just purchased a new Receiver that supported 4K, HDR etc.I lost a fair bit of money.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, cr1key said:

Thanks, that's purpose built to solve just this problem. $USD164 inc shipping =~ $AUD250. Plus possible GST. Not cheap as you say.

Yes almost a quarter of the cost of that Yamaha RX-V1085.

 

It is $275.00 from EzyHD. See:

 

https://www.ezyhd.com.au/product-category/hdfury-vertex-avrkey-goblue/

 

Perhaps have a look at what EzyHD have for sale here:

 

https://www.ezyhd.com.au/product-category/hdmi-splitters/

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40 minutes ago, betty boop said:

Honestly want local option hdfury was source of frustration for me, didn’t really solve my problem. It’s lot cash too

Which HDFury Product did you buy. There are a number that will do this job.

 

https://www.hdfury.com/shop/

 

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Without wanting to answer on behalf of @betty boop it's just so hard to know what will work in a particular combination of devices. Lots of people are very happy with just using a splitter; others need to go to the Fury who basically exist because they write code for edge cases on the fly; and others stay in-manufacturer at great expense.

 

So you just have to work out what works; I am fortunate in that there is a very active Meridian community and many have the AVRKey working, so I'm hoping it resolves my issues, but I am sure there are cases where stuff doesn't interact properly and there are droputs, handshake issues etc

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5 minutes ago, Mr_Gimlet said:

...very active Meridian community and many have the AVRKey working, so I'm hoping it resolves my issues, but I am sure there are cases where stuff doesn't interact properly and there are droputs, handshake issues etc

Yes there is a caveat for sound dropouts on the AVR Key 18Gbps. Basically said if you are affected, you need to consider the Vertex or Integral2 instead.

 

https://www.hdfury.com/product/avr-key/

 

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When playing 600MHz/18Gbps signal and only for such signal (4K60 4:4:4 8b or 4K60 4:2:2 12b), you might experience a very short sound dropout after 3-5 hours of use.
New AVR-Key now shipping was tested for 7 hours without any dropout.
If it is a problem for your planned use case, please consider Vertex or Integral2, they offer similar feature and way more.

 

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10 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

Which HDFury Product did you buy. There are a number that will do this job.

 

https://www.hdfury.com/shop/

 

I had the Integral, other units tend to do what it does plus more which may not be needed :) there are other local options eg bluestream sold by specialist shops , I tried retuned it.

 

therr is also mono price black bird. No experience with that :)

 

the simple splitter used as a hdcp stripper Officeworks-jaycar I found most cost effective but that was fir my need

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On ‎19‎/‎02‎/‎2020 at 1:12 PM, cr1key said:

My current setup is an Epson TW9100 projector and Yamaha RX-V1067 receiver. Both a little old and only 1080p capable. I'm considering upgrading the projector to 4k, but would like to hold off on a receiver upgrade for now.

 

Source will be an Nvidia Shield. Thinking an HDMI signal duplicator (1 input, 2 output) like this TESmart splitter on Amazon could work to send an unobstructed 4k@60Hz HDR signal to the projector simultaneously with a 7.1 Dolby TrueHD/DTS-MA signal to the amp.

 

I know you can get other splitters that output HDMI video and S/PDIF audio, but that would restrict the audio to lower-res 5.1. The one I linked seems to tick all the boxes, but I'm a bit worried about this apparent contradiction in the description:

 

"Supports simultaneous 4K and 1080p output."

"With smart EDID management, let the source device sends suitable A/V contents to the variable displays."

 

That's good!

 

"if you are running multiple displays with different resolutions, the splitter will send the lowest "common" resolution to all displays. "

 

That's bad, and contradicts the above?

 

For $45 I'll take a punt, but if I go out and buy a new 4k projector and the splitter solution doesn't work then I'll have to also purchase a 4k capable receiver - a lot more than $45!

 

Anyone have any suggestions or experience?

Hi Mate ,

I am using the TESmart splitter and It does send HDR to 2 x displays simultaneously. I have had issues with my Denon X4300 , JVC X9000 AND Pana 75FX780 TV talking to each other.  For some wierd HDMI handshake issue I never used to get picture on the projector with both connected but this TESmart does the job nicely. Have had it for a few months now and works every time. All my equipment is 4k capable. Hope this helps.

Cheers

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Been a couple of months since I posted this question, but just to close the loop ... I ended up biting the bullet and buying a new 4k capable AVR. Didn't buy or test any splitters.

 

Thanks for the help and suggestions though.

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2 hours ago, cr1key said:

Been a couple of months since I posted this question, but just to close the loop ... I ended up biting the bullet and buying a new 4k capable AVR. Didn't buy or test any splitters.

Most likey the best move in the long run. That is what I did in the end as well.

 

What AVR did you buy?

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