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Hey there.  I need to update my AVR. Previously had a Marantz SR4000, then an Onkyo TX-Sr706, which is suffering from HDMI issues.

 

I have Wharfdale Diamond 8.4 fronts and Aaron centre and surrounds, and a Loudspeakerkit 150W Sub.

 

I am looking at the secondhand market.

 

For a budget of around $500, I am after some opinions on buying say a 10 year old ex-top of the line AVR, or a 5 year old middle-tier?  I am looking for surround sound quality, with some music ability.  7.1 would be preferred.
 

For example, I have seen a Cambridge Azur that has 7.1, but is 10 years old.  I am also keen on a Yamaha, I have seen a RX-V3900, and various RX-V units in that price range.

 

Is it a case of technology and quality trickling down over a few years? for example the basic yamaha today is the same as the top of the line one from 6 years ago?  Or is the basic model always lesser quality?

 

Any thoughts or opinions would be gratefully accepted, as I scan through the classifieds and Gumtree/Facebook.

 

Cheers

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:welcome: to the forum

 

Firstly, decide what features you need, including what audio formats for movies.  Older AVRs are less likely to support the more recent ones e.g. Atmos.

 

Power is usually better with high end models. Don't rely on the marketing BS. Take the total power consumption divided by number of channels at 50% efficiency to get a realistic number.  In other words, get an AVR with a larger power consumption.

 

Brands with better music capability are Cambridge, Marantz, Anthem, Arcam, NAD.

 

And no, technology and quality does not trickle down over the years. There are more marketing ticks in newer models but are they needed? 

 

AVRs depreciate quickly, so going 2nd hand is a sensible move and get a high end model with the capability you want.

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My RXV-1800 (so one model down and one year older than the 3900) is still going strong. The 3900 will have more power, probably equivalent power to current yamaha $2K models. I would go for that if you are happy with condition. It might need new caps at some stage if they have never been replaced (mine needed doing about 5 years ago, have owned it for around 10 years total).

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20 hours ago, Jayson H said:

For a budget of around $500, I am after some opinions on buying say a 10 year old ex-top of the line AVR, or a 5 year old middle-tier?

 

If it was me, I'd be looking at something a little be later like a RX-V3071. See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-AV-Receiver-RX-V3071-top-of-the-range-when-purchased/174183951249

 

Had a RRP of $2499 and was the top of the line in the V Series in 2012. See:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20111230202457/http://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rxv_71_series/rx-v3071_black_a/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

 

 

Wants $600. Make an offer! See how you go. One sold here on stereonet in Aug 2019 for $560. See:

 

 

Another sold here for $500 in Oct 2018. See:

 

 

Same internals as a RX-A3010 which had a RRP of $2699 in 2012. See:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20120622050536/http://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/aventage/rx-a3010_g/?mode=model

 

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-a3010/index.html

 

https://www.whathifi.com/yamaha/rx-a3010/review

 

https://www.homecinemachoice.com/content/yamaha-rx-a3010-review

 

http://www.hifi-review.net/69-yamaha-rx-a3010.html

 

 

There is also a RX-V1081 for $650 in the classifieds here on Stereonet.

 

https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-v1081/index.html


 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Hytram said:

Yeah.. Buy this one.

 

Its the greatest AVR in the world 😉

ROTFLMAO😂

 

But seriously, this had a $1,999.00 RRP in 2016/2017 when new. See:

 

https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/yamaha-rx-v1081-7-2-channel-av-receiver.html

 

Has 4K Ultra HD Full Support with 4K/60p, 4:4:4, HDCP2.2 (7 in / 2 out), HDR Video and BT.2020 pass-through. It also has Dolby Atmos & DTS:X.

 

Worth considering!

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Never owned a Yammy amp but they sure are feature packed and great value second hand!

 

For HT you can not go wrong for the money on the deals above!

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3 hours ago, Hytram said:

 

Yeah.. Buy this one.

 

Its the greatest AVR in the world 😉

Love too..... but I just calculated the courier cost to WA..... you would have to drop the price to $150, so it will fit into my budget! 

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15 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

:welcome: to the forum

 

Firstly, decide what features you need, including what audio formats for movies.  Older AVRs are less likely to support the more recent ones e.g. Atmos.

 

Power is usually better with high end models. Don't rely on the marketing BS. Take the total power consumption divided by number of channels at 50% efficiency to get a realistic number.  In other words, get an AVR with a larger power consumption.

 

Brands with better music capability are Cambridge, Marantz, Anthem, Arcam, NAD.

 

And no, technology and quality does not trickle down over the years. There are more marketing ticks in newer models but are they needed? 

 

AVRs depreciate quickly, so going 2nd hand is a sensible move and get a high end model with the capability you want.

Cheers.  Atmos doesn't appeal to me at this point, but s tep up in power and from 5.1 to 7.1 would be great. 

 

How advantageous is an Ethernet port? can I stream movies from my PC through this?

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10 hours ago, Jayson H said:

Cheers.  Atmos doesn't appeal to me at this point, but s tep up in power and from 5.1 to 7.1 would be great. 

 

How advantageous is an Ethernet port? can I stream movies from my PC through this?

Was an early adopter of 7.1 but now on 5.1 (and will go Atmos one day). Don't miss 7.1.  

 

Ethernet used for firmware updates, software Apps e.g. phone App, setups etc.  Easiest way from PC streaming to AVR is with HDMI. Or use a player that streams with HDMI output.

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hmm dont know who you got a delivery quote from.. try ego couriers depot to depot under $50

 

dont use yamaha so dyor

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Happy to ship

but you have to pay for the shipping once funds have cleared

goto https://www.couriersplease.com.au/ and click on EZYSEND tab

Pickup Suburb = Port Melbourne Vic 3207

Delivery Suburb = YOURS

 

Qty  1

Weight  19kg

Length 60cm

Width 56cm

Height 32cm

(extra fluff to double box)

 

CREATE QUOTE

 

the add INS2 insurance and that will get you $2k insurance

 I did you  get a quote from Couriers Please as hopefullguy outlined above (taken from his ad in classifieds)?

 

 I did a quote on the Couriers Please web site from Port Melbourne Vic 3207 to Perth WA 6000 and got the following without insurance:

 

image.png.3804504c910242f157a8ad1082acdc6a.png

 

INS2 insurance is $2.20 for upto $2k insurance

 

As a guide, if you use Aust Post for delivery. See:

 

https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/

 

Their estimate for Size: 60 x 56 x 32cm Weight: 19kg was $101.00 for 4-5 day delivery without insurance.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Jayson H said:

Cheers.  Atmos doesn't appeal to me at this point, but s tep up in power and from 5.1 to 7.1 would be great. 

A 7.1 or even 6.1 adds value to the movie watching experience compared to a straight 5.1 setup. But it does depends on a number of factors including room size, walls and speakers. So one rule doesn't fit all.

I've tried Atmos & DTS:X using the Pioneer SP-T22A-LR (bouncy speakers) place on top of Front Left & Right Speakers. See:

 

https://www.pioneeraudio.com.au/products/sp-t22a-lr

 

It again adds value to the movie watching experience, But it does depends on a number of factors including room size, ceiling height and speakers.

 

14 hours ago, Jayson H said:

How advantageous is an Ethernet port?

 

4 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Ethernet used for firmware updates, software Apps e.g. phone App, setups etc.  Easiest way from PC streaming to AVR is with HDMI. Or use a player that streams with HDMI output.

Snoopy8 has answered some of this above. But download the manual and have a read because this RX-V1081 receiver does other a number of internet and streaming options.

 

https://au.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/6/799486/RX-V1081_Manual_English.pdf

 

Taken from:

 

https://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-v1081/downloads.html#product-tabs

 

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If you are put off buy the courier costs from the east, perhaps you might have to find something in WA like this Yamaha RX-V3800. See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-RX-V3800-Receiver/184162093448

 

Been for sale on eBay for a while. Last auction ended on 7th Feb and this current auction is due to end in about 13 minutes. Offers are being accepted

 

It has been relisted here:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-RX-V3800-Receiver/184169787318

 

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio_visual/av_receivers_amps/rx-v3800/downloads.html

 

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022RXV3800/Yamaha-RX-V3800.html

 

 

The RX-V3900 you mentioned in your first post, was superseded by the RX-A3000 when Yamaha released the Aventage line of Receivers. The RX-A3000 was superseded by the RX-A3010 which the RX-V3071 mentioned above shares the same internals.

 

Here is a link about the difference between the RX-V3800  & RX-V3900. I'm not sure how accurate this information is.

 

https://www.avforums.com/threads/yamaha-rx-v-3800-vs-rx-v-3900.881138/

 

But you can compare them yourself using these two links:

 

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022RXV3800/Yamaha-RX-V3800.html

 

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_022RXV3900/Yamaha-RX-V3900.html

 

 

But again if it was me I'd buy either the RX-V3071  or RX-V1081 and be happy paying the courier costs. But that's just me.

 

 

Another option is this Denon AVR-X3100W in Perth WA:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Denon-AVR-X3100W-7-2-Channel-Integrated-Network-Receiver/133329339847

 

https://www.au.denon.com/au/product/hometheater/avreceivers/avrx3100w

 

 

Here is a comparison of the Yamaha Aventage RX-A3010 (RX-V3071) over Denon AVR-X3100W

 

https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/yamaha-rx-a3010/australia/denon-avr-x3100w/usa/

 

 

Here is a comparison of the Yamaha RX-A1060 (RX-V1081) over Denon AVR-X3100W

 

https://www.zkelectronics.com/compare/yamaha-rx-a1060/australia/denon-avr-x3100w/usa/

 

 

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13 hours ago, Jayson H said:

Love too..... but I just calculated the courier cost to WA..... you would have to drop the price to $150, so it will fit into my budget! 

 

or you could increase your budget 🤑

 

sorry, not giving it away, but are a little flexable

 

2 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

 

Ethernet used for firmware updates, software Apps e.g. phone App, setups etc.  Easiest way from PC streaming to AVR is with HDMI. Or use a player that streams with HDMI output.

 

wouldn't say this in the full case for the RX-V1081

 

the Ethernet and Wifi are for the internet and LAN

this will give you the ability to upgrade the FW (as stated)

as the RX-V1081 has spoify, tidal, dezzer and airplay build in, you can stream straight from the AVR, no extra player needed

add a DNLA NAS anywhere in your network and stream/play your only music

also use the Yamaha app from phone/tablet (as stated)

 

you cant play video over the Eth/wifi, you do need an external source for this

 

 

these functions are what I miss the most on my new XMC-2

 

 

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1 hour ago, bizzibee said:

 I did you  get a quote from Couriers Please as hopefullguy outlined above (taken from his ad in classifieds)?

 

 I did a quote on the Couriers Please web site from Port Melbourne Vic 3207 to Perth WA 6000 and got the following without insurance:

 

image.png.3804504c910242f157a8ad1082acdc6a.png

 

INS2 insurance is $2.20 for upto $2k insurance

 

As a guide, if you use Aust Post for delivery. See:

 

https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/

 

Their estimate for Size: 60 x 56 x 32cm Weight: 19kg was $101.00 for 4-5 day delivery without insurance.

 

 

if the length was just 5cm shorter you could have sent it from Melbourne to Perth via Sendle (who use couriers please) for $30.95

 

Thats box is slightly too big for them.

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Box is smaller than that.. I always add a little fat 

 

Let me get the real dimensions tonight 

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Single box dimensions are

 

W 555mm

D 510mm

H 285mm

 

I was going to double box it hence the larger stated dimensions 

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1 hour ago, Hytram said:

Single box dimensions are

 

W 555mm

D 510mm

H 285mm

 

I was going to double box it hence the larger stated dimensions 

 

That will make a difference!

 

6 hours ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said:

if the length was just 5cm shorter you could have sent it from Melbourne to Perth via Sendle (who use couriers please) for $30.95

 

Thats box is slightly too big for them.

 

Well with those new measurements, looks like Sendle could be the way to go as the cost is only $30.95 for Check-in

 

Quote

 

https://try.sendle.com/en-au/pricing#sendleQuoteTool

 

Parcel size More on sizes and weights Rates
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Handbag 1kg & 4L AUD$10.95
Shoebox 3kg & 12L AUD$13.65
Briefcase 5kg & 20L AUD$15.95
Carry-on 10kg & 40L AUD$22.95
Check-in 25kg & 100L AUD$30.95

What size is my parcel?

From poster tubes to suitcases and anything in-between. Enter your dimensions to find out which size is right for you.

 

Width    55.5cm
Height   51.0cm
Depth  28.5 cm
Weight 19kg
 

Your parcel is 19kg & 80.67L
Parcel size: Check-in

 

 

 

The new measurements didn't make much difference to the Courier Please estimate.

 

https://www.couriersplease.com.au/ship-domestic

 

Quote

Domestic Saver - Authority To Leave/POPPoints*        5 Business Days      AUD 61.83    
Domestic Saver - Signature required *                           5 Business Days       AUD 64.46    
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Off Peak - Signature Required*                                        3 Business Days       AUD 87.46    
Domestic Priority - Authority To Leave/POPPoints*  1 Business Days      AUD 203.80    
Domestic Priority - Signature required*                       1 Business Days      AUD 207.62

 

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5 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

 

 

 

Well with those new measurements, looks like Sendle could be the way to go if the estimated of only $30.95

 

https://try.sendle.com/en-au/pricing#sendleQuoteTool

 

 

The new measurements didn't make much difference to the Courier Please estimate.

 

https://www.couriersplease.com.au/ship-domestic

 

 

Absolutely, the service is great and very reasonable but as you can see maxes out at around AVR box, no Post Office Queues, just collect and deliver!

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12 minutes ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said:

Absolutely, the service is great and very reasonable but as you can see maxes out at around AVR box, no Post Office Queues, just collect and deliver!

Certainly an excellent  option if Jayson H is really interested in Hytram's RX-V1081, and I guess any other AV Receiver.

 

I'm assuming you are talking from personal experience and have used them yourself.

 

Thanks for the heads-up! 👍 😀

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5 minutes ago, bizzibee said:

Certainly an excellent  option if Jayson H is really interested in Hytram's RX-V1081, and I guess any other AV Receiver.

 

I'm assuming you are talking from personal experience and have used them yourself.

yep use them all the time, as I mentioned they use the Couriers Please service, never had an issue..... so far!

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9 hours ago, bizzibee said:

 I did you  get a quote from Couriers Please as hopefullguy outlined above (taken from his ad in classifieds)?

 

 I did a quote on the Couriers Please web site from Port Melbourne Vic 3207 to Perth WA 6000 and got the following without insurance:

 

image.png.3804504c910242f157a8ad1082acdc6a.png

 

INS2 insurance is $2.20 for upto $2k insurance

 

As a guide, if you use Aust Post for delivery. See:

 

https://auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/#/

 

Their estimate for Size: 60 x 56 x 32cm Weight: 19kg was $101.00 for 4-5 day delivery without insurance.

 

 

I think I entered it all correctly.......image.png.d447188d2a11c3651062c45409d94529.png

Anyway, aside from Courier, I am still in research phase.....  not ready to commit just yet! Really want to hear amp working too.....

 

I just did a quote for Perth......  very cheap......  another 200km south, adds a shedload.....

 

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On 13/02/2020 at 12:32 PM, bizzibee said:

 

 

If it was me, I'd be looking at something a little be later like a RX-V3071. See:

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-AV-Receiver-RX-V3071-top-of-the-range-when-purchased/174183951249

 

Had a RRP of $2499 and was the top of the line in the V Series in 2012. See:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20111230202457/http://au.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rxv_71_series/rx-v3071_black_a/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

 

 

Wants $600. Make an offer! See how you go. One sold here on stereonet in Aug 2019 for $560. See:

 

 

Another sold here for $500 in Oct 2018. See:

 

 

Same internals as a RX-A3010 which had a RRP of $2699 in 2012. See:

 

 


 

 

 

Cheers Bizzibee..... is there a list somewhere of Yamaha  A vs V model numbers that are identical internally? 

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8 hours ago, Hytram said:

 

 

or you could increase your budget 🤑

 

sorry, not giving it away, but are a little flexable

 

 

wouldn't say this in the full case for the RX-V1081

 

the Ethernet and Wifi are for the internet and LAN

this will give you the ability to upgrade the FW (as stated)

as the RX-V1081 has spoify, tidal, dezzer and airplay build in, you can stream straight from the AVR, no extra player needed

add a DNLA NAS anywhere in your network and stream/play your only music

also use the Yamaha app from phone/tablet (as stated)

 

you cant play video over the Eth/wifi, you do need an external source for this

 

 

these functions are what I miss the most on my new XMC-2

 

 

When you say "Need an external source for this" what do you mean?

 

Currently I use a PC, with VLC Media Player, then via Wifi to Chromecast.

 

Due to the HDMI issues with the Onkyo, the Chromecase is plugged into the TV, then via Optical to the Onkyo.  Not the best solution, but the only one I have for now....

 

Would PC-Chromecast-AV receiver be the same as PC-AV Receiver  via ethernet?  or should I start a new thread on this topic?   😀

 

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