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Many people here like power conditioners but I prefer not to use one.   Found that it slowed down the rhythm and pace of the music. To test, play something with a fast beat and see whether it is acceptable.

 

When you said budget, what is your limit?   Cheaper brands include Thor, Consonance, Isotek

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On 05/02/2020 at 9:30 PM, Snoopy8 said:

Many people here like power conditioners but I prefer not to use one.   Found that it slowed down the rhythm and pace of the music. To test, play something with a fast beat and see whether it is acceptable.

 

When you said budget, what is your limit?   Cheaper brands include Thor, Consonance, Isotek

Thank you for your comment Snoopy8, about the draw back of your experienced with a power conditioner. I had not heard about this before. I had only heard positives about power conditioners.

 

I had considered a power conditioner myself. But now I am not so sure, if this is the best way to spend that kind of money. After all even a budget power conditioner and then the cables for each piece of equipment results in quite a few $$.

 

Happy listening.

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58 minutes ago, ampup said:

Thank you for your comment Snoopy8, about the draw back you experienced with a power conditioner. I had not heard about this before. I had only heard positives about power conditioners.

 

I had considered a power conditioner myself. But now I am not so sure, if this is the best way to spend that kind of money. After all even a budget power conditioner and then the cables for each piece of equipment results in quite a few $$.

I was happy running power conditioners for many months because they gave a blacker background. I did not realise its impact on the rhythm and pace of the music until I looked for it.  However, I know many people happily use power conditioners, so you need to test for yourself whether it works for your setup and your listening preferences.

 

There is a constant battle to decide where to spend your $$ on the next upgrade. Often, it is a matter of trying things. It is cheaper to get something from the Classifieds and flip it if it is does not work.

 

Most importantly, enjoy the journey. Happy listening...

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Thank you Snoogy8 for the elaboration (directly above post)of your reason to not use a power condition.

 

In the end the journey is about Trade Off's, i guess ( do not wish to put words into your mouth), ie. Advantages vs Disadvantages.

 

Each person has their own vision of Nirvana.        

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1 minute ago, SBM said:

AVR , Subwoofer , Integrated amplifier. Thank you

 

I have already purchased Thor power board

Ok, in that case, try with and without (unless it is purely for protection) if it doesnt sound definitely better (or even maybe worse) then dont keep it.

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With the Thor you may want to connect everything except the AVR and Integrated amps.

 

I found that the Thor power boards limits the on demand current supply for amps and they lose some dynamics as a result, at least that is my theory why this happens. Others have noticed this loss in dynamic performance when using these with amplifiers.

I have just a 20 watt valve amp and a CD player, I connected the CD player to 2x Thor Duo's daisy chained for extra filtering by itself and it made a difference to the players performance, but I have now plugged the amp into an unfiltered board so it performs dynamically as it should.

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3 hours ago, muon* said:

With the Thor you may want to connect everything except the AVR and Integrated amps.

 

I found that the Thor power boards limits the on demand current supply for amps and they lose some dynamics as a result, at least that is my theory why this happens. Others have noticed this loss in dynamic performance when using these with amplifiers.

I have just a 20 watt valve amp and a CD player, I connected the CD player to 2x Thor Duo's daisy chained for extra filtering by itself and it made a difference to the players performance, but I have now plugged the amp into an unfiltered board so it performs dynamically as it should.

Thank you for your comment, as this clarifies one method, of how a power conditioner can improve sound in a system.

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That the Thor boards though, some say some of the more expensive ones don't negatively effect amps, but I can't recall what ones.

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I have Thor Ps10 the latest one with accompanying filtering power board in one system and Thor A12bf just the power board in another.

Simply excellent both of them, if filtering is not your thing just plug into the bank 1 on the Thor power board, it will provide the protection as all the other banks but without filtering as per conversations with the Thor manufactures/suppliers.

Thor ps10 will have the added benefits of stable voltage, even in Sydney where I am it’s not unusual to get steady 250v plus on many occasions during the day.

Neo

 

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On 05/02/2020 at 9:30 PM, Snoopy8 said:

Many people here like power conditioners but I prefer not to use one.   Found that it slowed down the rhythm and pace of the music. 

Mate, you should have posted that in Joke of the Day - very good.   I hope everyone realises you were tongue in cheek.

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24 minutes ago, Nigel said:

Mate, you should have posted that in Joke of the Day - very good.   I hope everyone realises you were tongue in cheek.

Not tongue in cheek, was what I found in my setup. Power conditioners are not for me.

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9 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Not tongue in cheek, was what I found in my setup. Power conditioners are not for me.

Did you try with everything bar the amps connected?

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12 minutes ago, muon* said:

Did you try with everything bar the amps connected?

I did try removing my active speakers but still did not like the impact of the power conditioners on my system.  At the end of the day, it is a personal preference not to use most power conditioners.

 

P/s I do use a Holton DC Blocker

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I’ve got an old Thor PS10 looking after my HT system. Can’t really say if it improves or distracts sonics but keen to find a way to improve my main stereo system without breaking the bank. Does anyone have experience with the PS Audio P3 or 5?

On 05/02/2020 at 8:30 PM, Snoopy8 said:

Many people here like power conditioners but I prefer not to use one.   Found that it slowed down the rhythm and pace of the music. To test, play something with a fast beat and see whether it is acceptable.

 

When you said budget, what is your limit?   Cheaper brands include Thor, Consonance, Isotek

 

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Interesting thread. I'm a qualified electronics engineer, and I design and build amplifiers as a hobby amongst other things. Power conditioning strips are (IMHO) a hugely overpriced waste of time - all properly designed amplifiers and other audio equipment connected to the mains have mains filtering already built into them and should be designed so that typical noise spikes are addressed and essentially always inaudible. Mains electricity can certainly be very noisy, but the snake oil "conditioners" sold mostly won't do anything real or measurable to cure that - they often contain little more than a few 10 cent capacitors and a simple (few dollars cost) surge limiter, active or passive, for some kind of added protection over what the fuse and X1 line filter & safety capacitor in your audio system already provides by design. 

 

If you don't, for whatever reason, trust the filtering in your audio equipment (even though this is a core component of any decent power supply design) then there are two alternatives you can consider which provide true isolation from the mains; using a computer UPS (AC converted to DC to charge a battery, then the battery feeds an AC inverter to recreate a 50Hz AC "mains" which will be clean of any noise on the original line...though may have other much more predictable and thus easy to filter harmonic switching noise). Or just get an isolation transformer of suitable wattage......this takes 240V mains and couples it through a 1:1 transformer to generate again a fully isolated 240V supply you can plug your equipment straight into. These are quite expensive solutions but honestly at least your money is going into something tangible that does actually work, as opposed to a plastic strip board with a few cheap components and an LED which does nothing much at all.

 

If you are really worried about noise or hum coupling and transfer in your system, you could invest in a balanced interconnect between source and amplifier (if equipment supports it) as any residual noise from mains or any other source will be greatly removed, which is why pro audio has always used differential connections. 

 

My opinion only of course, everyone has their own view of this stuff and nobody is "right" about what you can or cannot hear !

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Thanks Sabercat. I am not having any hum or noises in the speakers. I am just trying to stop spike or surge to my AVR and subwoofer as precaution as added security for longevity.

 

I was thinking to buy Thor power board (cost $150-250$)

 

Based on your suggestions. I think, I should not waste that 150$?

 

Much appreciated your time.

 

Regards

SBM

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Sabercat said:

Interesting thread. I'm a qualified electronics engineer, and I design and build amplifiers as a hobby amongst other things. Power conditioning strips are (IMHO) a hugely overpriced waste of time - all properly designed amplifiers and other audio equipment connected to the mains have mains filtering already built into them and should be designed so that typical noise spikes are addressed and essentially always inaudible. Mains electricity can certainly be very noisy, but the snake oil "conditioners" sold mostly won't do anything real or measurable to cure that - they often contain little more than a few 10 cent capacitors and a simple (few dollars cost) surge limiter, active or passive, for some kind of added protection over what the fuse and X1 line filter & safety capacitor in your audio system already provides by design. 

 

If you don't, for whatever reason, trust the filtering in your audio equipment (even though this is a core component of any decent power supply design) then there are two alternatives you can consider which provide true isolation from the mains; using a computer UPS (AC converted to DC to charge a battery, then the battery feeds an AC inverter to recreate a 50Hz AC "mains" which will be clean of any noise on the original line...though may have other much more predictable and thus easy to filter harmonic switching noise). Or just get an isolation transformer of suitable wattage......this takes 240V mains and couples it through a 1:1 transformer to generate again a fully isolated 240V supply you can plug your equipment straight into. These are quite expensive solutions but honestly at least your money is going into something tangible that does actually work, as opposed to a plastic strip board with a few cheap components and an LED which does nothing much at all.

 

If you are really worried about noise or hum coupling and transfer in your system, you could invest in a balanced interconnect between source and amplifier (if equipment supports it) as any residual noise from mains or any other source will be greatly removed, which is why pro audio has always used differential connections. 

 

My opinion only of course, everyone has their own view of this stuff and nobody is "right" about what you can or cannot hear !

Have you tried a power conditioner or power conditioning board in your system?

Neo

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16 minutes ago, SBM said:

Thanks Sabercat. I am not having any hum or noises in the speakers. I am just trying to stop spike or surge to my AVR and subwoofer as precaution as added security for longevity.

 

I was thinking to buy Thor power board (cost $150-250$)

 

Based on your suggestions. I think, I should not waste that 150$?

 

Much appreciated your time.

 

Regards

SBM

 

 

@SBM

I would audition one for yourself and draw ones own conclusions in your own system, before dismissing power conditioning based on an expert opinions 

Neo

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There is no ONE right answer about power conditioners. Best to try on your system and with your ears...

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5 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

There is no ONE right answer about power conditioners. Best to try on your system and with your ears...

Totally agree👍🏻

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Only you can decide SBM - but please think of it like this; if you are not hearing any noise or hum then the filters in your equipment power supply are working fine so there is no noise issue so why pay anything for that feature, and that just leaves surge protection.

 

Surge protection is inherent in the power supply circuit itself in modern AVR equipment; if it's transformer based (called a linear power supply) then they are very robust and don't need much more than an off switch and fuse as protection (except for really huge surges -  see below). If it's a switch mode power supply, common in most TV's, PC's and a lot of cheaper audio gear, then there is usually a switch, a fuse and also special safety devices on the power supply board designed to trigger and blow together very quickly if a power surge occurs and gets past the switch. This is usually an easy repair in the very unlikely event it happens, and if the surge is small. Really big surges such as from direct lightning strikes to power lines or distribution infrastructure are not stoppable by anything, except unplugging devices from the wall which you should probably consider doing for expensive gear when you hear thunder coming. See the article below for some more insight. Good luck !

 

https://www.online-tech-tips.com/computer-tips/do-surge-protectors-really-work/

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2 hours ago, Sabercat said:

Interesting thread. I'm a qualified electronics engineer, and I design and build amplifiers as a hobby amongst other things. Power conditioning strips are (IMHO) a hugely overpriced waste of time - all properly designed amplifiers and other audio equipment connected to the mains have mains filtering already built into them and should be designed so that typical noise spikes are addressed and essentially always inaudible. Mains electricity can certainly be very noisy, but the snake oil "conditioners" sold mostly won't do anything real or measurable to cure that - they often contain little more than a few 10 cent capacitors and a simple (few dollars cost) surge limiter, active or passive, for some kind of added protection over what the fuse and X1 line filter & safety capacitor in your audio system already provides by design. 

 

If you don't, for whatever reason, trust the filtering in your audio equipment (even though this is a core component of any decent power supply design) then there are two alternatives you can consider which provide true isolation from the mains; using a computer UPS (AC converted to DC to charge a battery, then the battery feeds an AC inverter to recreate a 50Hz AC "mains" which will be clean of any noise on the original line...though may have other much more predictable and thus easy to filter harmonic switching noise). Or just get an isolation transformer of suitable wattage......this takes 240V mains and couples it through a 1:1 transformer to generate again a fully isolated 240V supply you can plug your equipment straight into. These are quite expensive solutions but honestly at least your money is going into something tangible that does actually work, as opposed to a plastic strip board with a few cheap components and an LED which does nothing much at all.

 

If you are really worried about noise or hum coupling and transfer in your system, you could invest in a balanced interconnect between source and amplifier (if equipment supports it) as any residual noise from mains or any other source will be greatly removed, which is why pro audio has always used differential connections. 

 

My opinion only of course, everyone has their own view of this stuff and nobody is "right" about what you can or cannot hear !

I'd also suggest an isolation transformer instead of a power strip, but it should be noted that not any old isolation transformer will do. To get good noise rejection it has to have a very low interwinding capacitance, which generic isolation transformer typically don't have.

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2 hours ago, SBM said:

Thanks Sabercat. I am not having any hum or noises in the speakers. I am just trying to stop spike or surge to my AVR and subwoofer as precaution as added security for longevity.

 

I was thinking to buy Thor power board (cost $150-250$)

 

Based on your suggestions. I think, I should not waste that 150$?

 

Much appreciated your time.

 

Regards

SBM

 

 

Pity you were not looking at the a short while ago, radio rentals was clearing the Thor B8F Smart Filter for $30 each, the 4 plug boards for $15 and the Thor duo for $10.

All gone now, and likely some of the ones sold on ebay now were bought from that clearance sale.

 

Edit: I have 2x duo's daisy chained for my CD Player and the better clarity is unmistakable in my system. Amp is connected to a board with no filtering as plugged into the Thor's it reduced the dynamics.

 

Surge protection side of things wears out after a while with even these boards, but granted likely last longer than your 30 dollar DSE or Bunnings offerings..

Nothing short of unplugging will protect for lightning strikes, or so I understand.

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