TerryO Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Not sure if this video has been seen or discussed in this section previously but thought anyway it might be prove a interesting topic. cheers Terry Edited July 31, 2017 by TerryO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I can already see the usual suspects who'd offer comments here Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 All this will do is to devolve into a religious debate that will end up being closed down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryO Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Believe it or not I didn't put it up to create a argument, far from it, rather see what people in this section thought of some of the, supposedly, factual findings. If I was trying to stir the pot I would have put it up in the General Discussion section where you often find people commenting that don't tend to comment in here. cheers Terry Edited July 31, 2017 by TerryO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, TerryO said: Believe it or not I didn't put it up to create a argument, far from it, rather see what people in this section thought of some of the, supposedly, factual findings. If I was trying to stir the pot I would have put it up in the General Discussion section where you often find people commenting that don't tend to comment in here. cheers Terry No problem @TerryO and I wasn't implying anything negative towards you, but with that out of the way, this type of thread almost always ends up being a slo-mo trainwreck where people divide in to tribes. I also don't think it is productive because it is so very subjective and one will never convince the other. I don't have a view on this either way and whatever makes a person happy is fine by me,however the music may be delivered 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolster Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 @TerryO i recognise your good intentions and hope you get some useful comments and opinions. The very nature of the topic,however, as well as the title means that I will be moving this thread to the great debate section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicprObe Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 hour ago, rantan said: All this will do is to devolve into a religious debate that will end up being closed down. Hallelujah brother! I keep trying to give up the needles but the devil keeps draggin' me back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHC Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, LogicprObe said: I keep trying to give up the needles but the devil keeps draggin' me back! Because the devil is in the details 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Hallelujah brother! I keep trying to give up the needles but the devil keeps draggin' me back! That's because vinyl sounds better than digital full stop.Now come and get me Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spider Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Happy said: That's because vinyl sounds better than digital full stop. Now come and get me Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk you had to throw the first rock didn't you!!!! @wolster instead of great debate section, I'd suggest the great (mass)debate section.....cause you just know it's going to bring out all the wankers!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This fools been on here before. He looks Digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolster Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 And now let's respect the OP and get back on track with sensible, intelligent comments please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 14 hours ago, TerryO said: Not sure if this video has been seen or discussed in this section previously but thought anyway it might be prove a interesting topic. cheers Terry Cool watching seems convincing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerav Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 All seems fair enough and exactly has been my thoughts all along. If you want audio perfection you go digital if you want to feel all warm and fuzzy you go vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to music Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I actually disagree on the last comments on that video.... He saids that vinyl Records is a personal hands on connection to the musicians...and that's something digital can't replicate. what has smells got to do with the experience? How can the strobe light and cleaning the stylus and record, lowering that stylus into the groove gets you closer to the musicians? All this is far toooooooooooooooooop much work for a couch potatoe like me! I'd rather do the selecting on a touch screen of an iPad any day of the week..... So much more convienient! So is changing the volume on an iPad.....it's awesome! Vinyl is now so much more expensive since the resurgence, back in the mid 80s a typical Australian pressing was $18. Now they start at $25 plus and can be anywhere up beyond $60 plus, where CDs can be had for around $10.... and if I'm lucky, I can get the cd from the library to have a listen....how good is that? AAAAAANNND, I've tried and tried, I just can't get that LP12 to play in the back seat of a Mondeo! The iPod works a treat in the backseat....especially i play the Bolero for you know what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 31/07/2017 at 7:13 PM, LogicprObe said: I keep trying to give up the needles but the devil keeps draggin' me back! You could stop at any time, if you wanted. Right ?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 31/07/2017 at 8:16 PM, 125dBmonster said: Cool watching seems convincing is it because he has a coat on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 On 31/07/2017 at 7:38 PM, Happy said: That's because vinyl sounds better than digital full stop. in general, I'd say you're right, and I'm a digital guy for the many practical reasons (compilations, $$, etc) BUT, I will say that the ideal outcome of any hifi system is the apparent placement of the artist, live in the room......and that as the best systems of all different topologies and technologies approach this same point. that the differences get smaller and the method (eg analog v digital, valve v ss) become irrelevant. If you can hear clear differences, that really says your systems or components have room for improvement. The best systems I've heard are all different in the way they get there - none are perfect, but closer than 99% of other systems. In the lesser systems, I'd say a $10k vinyl rig clearly nicer than a $500 cd set-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nigel said: In the lesser systems, I'd say a $10k vinyl rig clearly nicer than a $500 cd set-up Schit eh? Who would have thought ? $10K better than $500................. amazing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 TJ's Bathurst system uses cheap cd player (no vinyl) and is right up there. The $$ comparison is an obvious observation and does not explain why, but the more important words were "In lesser systems" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kab Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Master tape sounds better than both.....so there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eggcup The Daft Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Ok, watched it. He starts with a statement that the two formats are equivalent (?), presents a report, some probable information (the differences in mastering is there, but is as much about purpose as fitting the format, from what I've read) and ends with an unsupported opinion. As a digital listener, I resent being told that I don't do focused listening or connect to a recorded performance because I don't have a turntable (indeed, I have never used a turntable with a strobe light for serious listening in the past either). The paper quoted uses conservatorium students listening to classical recordings. I can easily relate to that result. I've hammered on here about using unamplified live performances to gain a reference, and these students would have just that. At the show last weekend I preferred digital in every room where I heard both formats: that's where my experience has led me. And if the listeners preferred digital, we can throw the first thirty seconds of this video out of the window. But wait. The LP was apparently not mastered for LP playback by a skilled engineer, for example. So is it a fair test, or was the LP showing off more distortion than it would if properly equalised for LP playback? Or, if a very dynamic signal was cut, how do we know that the students weren't listening to mistracking? So another unconvincing presentation. Back to whatever you listen to, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance B Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Good video and I think he has hit the nail on the head. I am a digital listener, but I also understand the connection with the use of vinyl. I used to enjoy the "connection" of vinyl, the use of the tone arm, cleaning of the record etc. I have a Thorens TD160 MKII turntable and I also enjoyed the tweaking of the analogue system by using a different cartridge/needle, adding a different mat, maybe a record clamp or weight and trying different feet etc. The same can be said of almost everyone's desire to tweak other parts of the system, speaker wires, interconnects, cones to put under for the amp and SACD/CD player etc. Tweaking your system is our way of putting our input into the experience, taking a little bit of control from what is essentially an off the shelf product. We believe we are making a difference, otherwise, the listening experience is just a completely passive experience and not everyone is satisfied with that. It helps us "create" a result, one that we feel we have had a part in being involved in. It is a hobby and like all hobbies they generally require an input for it to be an all encompassing experience, rather than just a passive recreation. Gardeners don't just sit and look at their creation, or the creation made by a landscaper. Gardeners like to keep changing, tweaking what they have created, adding a plant here, pruning another there etc. Photographers go out and take a photo and then come back and tweak the results in Photoshop, it is a creative pursuit, being fully involved. A car person gets their enjoyment from tuning and tweaking the engine, tyres, cleaning, polishing etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee Emm Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Of course you realise, that the last 2 links in any hifi chain is analogue. The speakers and the room. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance B Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gee Emm said: Of course you realise, that the last 2 links in any hifi chain is analogue. The speakers and the room. Just sayin'. Well, our ears are analogue too, but that doesn't mean that the source can't be digital. With the speakers and the room, you have the ability to tweak them to your desire as well. All part of the "experience" of our hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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