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Hi All

 

Samsung has recently released their new 2020 line up unveiled at the CES.  They are going into 8k in a big way despite the fact you need screen sizes 75-80 (preferably 80) inches to see a difference at normal viewing distances - the 65 inch 8k model I have - forget it - providing the 4k model has their new AI up-scaling,  which Samsung has now put in their 4k. models.   I have the Samsung 8k 65 inch and it beats hands down the previous top of the line Samsung 4k it replaced and I simply love it.   But that was before they put the new AI upscaling in the 4k  models.   BTW a note about the now heavily discounted end of year prices before the new 2020 models hit the stores - the difference in price is not that much and may make you say - what the heck - its an expensive TV anyway - so get the 8k anyway - that's the way I now look at it.   I need to also add some prefer the upscaling in the Sony or other brands so its important to carefully check them out before forking out the cash.  Anyway here is the side by side review with the new up-scaling in the 65 inch 4k:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2scswNMgMY

 

Ok - you need 80 inches - but these large screen sizes are now the fastest growing market for Samsung, so they really need some way of taking advantage of 8k, but, are very concerned about the bandwidth required to transmit 8k content, so have come up with a sneaky, nearly magical way to do it - called AI Scalenet - which had me very intrigued.   It can even transmit 4k as standard definition.- which is simply - well amazing.

 

Here are a couple of reviews of the new models:

 

https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-q950ts

The exceptional texture and detail work isn’t just notable with native 8K sources, either. Samsung’s 8K AI Upscaling system now features a new Deep Learning element that appears to greatly increase the sense of detail and texture in the most detailed parts of the picture. If you thought 8K TVs were pointless because there’s no native 8K content, Samsung’s latest 8K Upscaling system is good enough – with native 4K sources, anyway – to force you to think again.

 

https://theappliancesreviews.com/samsung-q950ts-8k-review/

AI ScaleNet technology reduces data loss during video streaming. AI ScaleNet compresses the content during transmission from the provider, and then restores it to the TV. Thereby, the new technology halves the bandwidth requirements. According to Samsung, it will continue to actively improve this technology, considering it very promising. In particular, the company has agreed with Amazon Prime Video to jointly test the AI ScaleNet.

 

OK how does it work:

https://news.samsung.com/global/developing-ai-scalenet-enabling-seamless-high-resolution-8k-streaming

 

Here is some more detail (see from 27 minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SWYFEeA64&list=PL7PfK8Mp1rLE89RvwBh2IdCD3h6uAvgGm&index=29&t=1625s

 

I think exactly how they do it is their secret but as they allude to it is based on something like the following:

https://cv.snu.ac.kr/research/taid/

 

Interesting times ahead I think.

 

Thanks

Bill

 

 

 

 

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On 25/01/2020 at 5:44 PM, bhobba said:

Hi All

 

Samsung has recently released their new 2020 line up unveiled at the CES.  They are going into 8k in a big way despite the fact you need screen sizes 75-80 (preferably 80) inches to see a difference at normal viewing distances - the 65 inch 8k model I have - forget it - providing the 4k model has their new AI up-scaling,  which Samsung has now put in their 4k. models.   I have the Samsung 8k 65 inch and it beats hands down the previous top of the line Samsung 4k it replaced and I simply love it.   But that was before they put the new AI upscaling in the 4k  models.   BTW a note about the now heavily discounted end of year prices before the new 2020 models hit the stores - the difference in price is not that much and may make you say - what the heck - its an expensive TV anyway - so get the 8k anyway - that's the way I now look at it.   I need to also add some prefer the upscaling in the Sony or other brands so its important to carefully check them out before forking out the cash.  Anyway here is the side by side review with the new up-scaling in the 65 inch 4k:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2scswNMgMY

 

Ok - you need 80 inches - but these large screen sizes are now the fastest growing market for Samsung, so they really need some way of taking advantage of 8k, but, are very concerned about the bandwidth required to transmit 8k content, so have come up with a sneaky, nearly magical way to do it - called AI Scalenet - which had me very intrigued.   It can even transmit 4k as standard definition.- which is simply - well amazing.

 

Here are a couple of reviews of the new models:

 

https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-q950ts

The exceptional texture and detail work isn’t just notable with native 8K sources, either. Samsung’s 8K AI Upscaling system now features a new Deep Learning element that appears to greatly increase the sense of detail and texture in the most detailed parts of the picture. If you thought 8K TVs were pointless because there’s no native 8K content, Samsung’s latest 8K Upscaling system is good enough – with native 4K sources, anyway – to force you to think again.

 

https://theappliancesreviews.com/samsung-q950ts-8k-review/

AI ScaleNet technology reduces data loss during video streaming. AI ScaleNet compresses the content during transmission from the provider, and then restores it to the TV. Thereby, the new technology halves the bandwidth requirements. According to Samsung, it will continue to actively improve this technology, considering it very promising. In particular, the company has agreed with Amazon Prime Video to jointly test the AI ScaleNet.

 

OK how does it work:

https://news.samsung.com/global/developing-ai-scalenet-enabling-seamless-high-resolution-8k-streaming

 

Here is some more detail (see from 27 minutes):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SWYFEeA64&list=PL7PfK8Mp1rLE89RvwBh2IdCD3h6uAvgGm&index=29&t=1625s

 

I think exactly how they do it is their secret but as they allude to it is based on something like the following:

https://cv.snu.ac.kr/research/taid/

 

Interesting times ahead I think.

 

Thanks

Bill

 

 

 

 

Samsung's 8K TVs look great if you can afford it.  I note, with great disappointment that they are "scaling down" their 4K series in 2020.   For example, the Q7 is apparently returning to an edge lit display and the Q8 and Q9 will contain much fewer dimming zones than the current years models.  Although no official news has been released on the 2020 models, its look as though if you want a premium Samsung panel this year, you will be forced to pay the extra bucks for an 8K TV.

 

Just so glad that I purchased the legendary Q8FN in 2018 

 

It looks like finally, after several years of low spec. models, Hisense will be introducing their higher end full array panels into Australia in 2020 including dual layer LCD. If this is the case, then for the first time Australian consumers will have a budget option with advanced features in the LCD/LED market.

 

Bring it on.  

 

 

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On 25/01/2020 at 6:44 PM, bhobba said:

They are going into 8k in a big way

*cough*

 

Looks at all the thread where people who said 8k was coming in a big way (cos 4k is only half the UHD standard, like 720 vs 1080) ... where told they were stupid.

 

Hehehee.   

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On 25/01/2020 at 6:44 PM, bhobba said:

Interesting times ahead I think.

Like in the 90s and 1080 lines (when we didn't have the bandwidth deployed to move it)  ..... the network bandwidth needed to move 8k video (even uncompressed, let alone MPEG) is coming.

 

... the technology exists now (many many gigabits, 100gbps+, terabits/second..... to the moon).

So, it's just a case of when.

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Samsung's Scalenet AI engine goes on-line August 4th, 2025....

  Human decisions are removed from strategic defense.... 

  Scalenet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th.... 

  ...In a panic, they try to switch all TVs off ...it's too late

 

13 hours ago, pc9 said:

Just so glad that I purchased the legendary Q8FN in 2018 

me too (Q9FN) , don't plan to upgrade before the micro leds are out with decent prices...

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14 hours ago, pc9 said:

Samsung's 8K TVs look great if you can afford it.  I note, with great disappointment that they are "scaling down" their 4K series in 2020.  

 

Samsung is actually bringing out two 8k series in 2020.   Everyone is talking about the 950TS which many think was the TV of CES.  That's their premium model.   But they are also bringing out a lower tier model without the gee wiz no boarder, bezel etc that will be a lot cheaper - but as far as picture quality goes not much different.  I think they are looking at that replacing their premium 4k models and will be priced competitively to other companies premium 4k models.   You will not see much of a difference, except  as I mentioned in the larger sizes, but the better up-scaling would likely be visible.   To me, and this is of course just a guess, it's just a marketing ploy to differentiate Samsung from the competition.   It will look at least as good as 4k models so I would not worry on that count.

 

Thanks

Bill

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Q90R (2019)     480 dimming zones                Q9  (2020)        96 dimming zones

Q80R (2019)        86 dimming zones                Q8 (2020)         46 dimming zones

Q70R (2019)        40 dimming zones                Q7 (2020)         edge lit with no local dimming

 

Looks like a downgrade to me, although if they use a decent local dimming algorithm on the Q8 & 9 models (as per the 2018 Q8FN) they may bet away with a comparable PQ result. 

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