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I was looking at building a new PC gaming rig over the weekend [I'm on holidays and getting bored lol ], not that my current one is that out dated, but I just wanted to see what's available and how it stacks up; also if it was a good time to do so or was I better off waiting till Q3 or Q4 when both AMD and Intel have new CPU's out, plus I imagine DDR5 RAM should have started making a appearance as well by then, which will mean new motherboards and chipsets.

 

I've always been a Playstation owner, and checked the specs of the upcoming PS5.

8 core 16 thread CPU, DDR5 RAM, SSD and graphics that will do ray tracing, pretty impressive., the new Xbox is pretty similar in spec.

The expected selling price is US $499 which works out a bit over the AUS $700 mark, and they reckon Sony will be taking around a $200 per unit hit at that price - expect PS5 games to be expensive to make that back]

 

So I was looking at what PC components would be needed to sort of match those spec's, my reasoning being that gaming houses will be making new games with those console specs in mind, so any PC gaming rig would at least want to match if not better them, or at least have the same multi core/thread count..... I know few current games utilize multi cores on a CPU, and it's why Intels single core performance has traditionally been 'The' chip's for gamers, but I'm thinking that might change now both major consoles CPU's will be similar.

 

The result surprised and shocked me, as only Intels i9 and AMD's Rayzen 9 CPU's were at around the same spec [although the 5 is sort of close] both around the $800 mark, and to build in some future proofing for the GC that had Ray tracing support, your looking at a RTX mode, which 'start' at around the $550 mark for the RTX 2060 OC .

 

Add a couple of SSD's , RAM M/B cooling etc and a copy of WIN 10 [yeah I know you could use Linux] and you'd be probably looking at spending around at least the $2700 to $3000 mark, and very easy to spend more.

 

So after seeing that's what the situation is likely to be until at least until the end of the year, it does make the PS5 start to look like very good value even if it ends up selling for $800.

Pity I can't say the same about the PS5's styling if it stays the same [I know that's what the PS5 development kits look like], a newer consumer design looks a lot sleeker.[see link below]

 

https://www.t3.com/au/news/discredited-ps5-leak-proves-true-as-sony-sneaks-out-official-playstation-info

 

Guess we shall find out soon enough, and how much truth is in that leak above.....Me, I've already put money aside to buy a PS5.

I figure if Sony is going to be taking such a loss on each console just to get the player base, the price isn't going to be going down from the release price any time soon, so I might as well get one straight away.

 

 

 

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I will be getting the PS5 and GT7. Thankfully it’s all compatible with my current rig or I would have been mighty pissed 

The ps5 was bleh till I connected this 

I'll almost certainly buy one. Play it for 3 hours then it will collect dust.   At least that's what I did with the PS4. Every 6 months or so, went back and bought 2 or 3 top end games to pl

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PC gaming has always been this way, I was for ever chasing upgrades to run the latest game when I was into it more, was a game in itself....and an expensive one :D

 

On a side note: not sure of the current state of gaming, but when I was into it the game houses really didn't take advantage of what the latest hardware was capable of...

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Have had gaming rigs in past but soon stopped bothering you can’t beat consoles at 100s they go for. 
 

Re ps5 , I’ve had 2 gen of ps3 and ps4 and fold them as overall I found games suck... switched over to Xbox 

 

not sure I’d bother going back ...

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I have a funny feeling my daughters wants one, it’s a must as she needs to be in touch of the latest games, not to play them but to keep up with coding.

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What's everyone playing for driving sims? It's been a while for me (since PS1 days with GT) and I'm wanting to put something together for my kids. 

 

Zero idea what's on Xbox but a lot of happy owners here... is there a GT equivalent? Better?

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I will be getting one on launch with whatever driving sim will be released with it.

 

@rmpfyf I am currently playing project cars 2 as IMO it has the most realistic physics and online gaming. GT Sport is also very good and graphics on that are stunning. The only title coming close on xbox is Forza I believe, but last time I played that, it was too arcadey for me.

 

If you are interested in getting your kids in to clean, fun racing (instead of the demolition derbys you get in random online rooms), checkout raceonoz.com.

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I'll get one, eventually. I tend to hang on to the prior generation until the price on the new one has come down some.

I upgraded my PS4 500GB slim + $149 to a PS4 1Tb pro at EB Games just before Christmas. Seemed like an absolute no-brainer at that price. and will do me for the next two years. 

My son mainly blazes away on Fortnight and Star Wars Battlefront 2 but we occasionally battle it out on GT Sport - which not having been too interested in simulator games the past, would say is very good @rmpfyf

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On 21/01/2020 at 10:44 PM, betty boop said:

Have had gaming rigs in past but soon stopped bothering you can’t beat consoles at 100s they go for. 
 

Re ps5 , I’ve had 2 gen of ps3 and ps4 and fold them as overall I found games suck... switched over to Xbox 

 

not sure I’d bother going back ...

It’s funny,

my brother got the latest Xbox for his daughter, my niece,  who is btw 7.   He can’t wait to get back into a PS....    

 

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I'm the same.

I bought a PSone first back in 97, then when the PS3 and Xbox Elite came out I bought one of each on the same day.

It was the games on the PS3 that drew me into playing them far far more than what Xbox had on offer, the same situation remains to this day.

If there were Xbox only titles that I thought I would want to play, I'd buy a Xbox without hesitation, but there aren't any, all the Xbox's BIG titles seem to me like generic shooters made for the US market.

 

Xbox never had Adventure games like the Uncharted series, they never had anti gravity racer like Wipeout, they might have had a few stealth based games, but nothing like Metal Gear solid or the Last of Us, didn't have any Final Fantasy's either.

When you look at the comparison roster of each console for games that only appear on one console and not the other, it's extremely lopsided in the Playstation's favor IMHO.

Well it's obviously not just my opinion, people have been voting with their wallets for years, and it's the reason that the Playstation has a much larger install base than Xbox.

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I know that I'll be getting one, BUT I'm not sure how close after release I'll end up getting it. I got a PS4 Pro last year, due to my older system struggling to run a couple of the more recent games without sounding like it was about to fly away on me. On the Pro the same games are practically whisper quiet. I would like to invest in a 4K TV for the PS5 too.  Also, no doubt games like Death Stranding and The Last Of Us Pt II will end up on the PS5 so I'm waiting on those to arrive for it too.

 

I also had plans to finally cobble together a respectable PC rig too but that hasn't been able to happen yet either lol. The problems of a gamer xD.

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I can't wait for this puppy. Got into sim racing bigtime with my PS4 Pro purchase about 15 months ago. So. Much. Fun.  Can't wait to se how good it is on the PS5! 

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I have taken my Xbox gaming onto the PC so no longer have a need for one.

 

I will most likely upgrade my PS4 to a PS5 there are a few games we all enjoy as a family predominantly the Lego series games.

 

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Yeah I'm in! Been a while between console's but this thing is looking the good's! Cant wait for it's release!

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Just caught up and purchased an Ps4, so not in any hurry to upgrade over the next year or so. But depending on the games released, you never know!

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On 20/03/2020 at 8:48 PM, Kaynin said:

Still on PS3, will skip PS4 and likely go straight to 5.

 

Any specs on either unit yet?

 

Yeah both units have most of the specs released. Digital Foundry have a brief article comparing the two. Seems the Series X has a bit more graphics/cpu power, and more backward compatibility options. PS5 looks to have an easier way to expand internal storage vs. the Series X.

 

Probably am preferring the Series X at the moment. Been using Game Pass on the PC which has been pretty good for me. Hopefully XBox One games on the service move to the Series X as well.

 

 

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I was only PC for many years then got an xbox 360 and ps3 because i was sick of upgrading the graphics card every 6 months and the PC every 12 months.

 

Depends on what you want to do , i am now back on PC because i was on Iracing for a while which is PC only but i realized the PC is so much more versatile in regards to add ons , also i think the upgrade process has slowed down as i have had the same spec for a while now and feel no need to upgrade yet.

 

System Specs.

I5 8600k

RTX2070 (overclocked to 2080 level)

Windows 10

m.2 SSD 1Tb

16G Ram

 

The consoles you are locked in to whatever is officially supported by them but PC is very open.

 

So i don't think i will be going back to consoles any time soon and at the moment the only game i am playing is WRC 8 online weekly challenge. (it's the best rally game to date , bloody good fun , WRC 9 is coming out in September this year).

 

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I used to love pc gaming - but that was 8 years ago. back then so many issues with drivers etc. just go over it.

 

I will be getting the ps5 - much less hassle. also HDR is awesome.

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I'm wondering if Sony's release plans for the PS5 are still on track given the CV-19 situation.

 

I certainly think they will be having to adjust their sales expectations because of it, also the capacity of the various factories around the world to manufacture them.

 

The consequences might be that Sony might not be prepared to take as big a loss on each console sold, making its price quite a bit higher, which will in turn lower sales, as its proposed price was on the threshold of being out of reach for a lot of people already

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I really like the idea of zero load times that Sony is pushing, also super keen to try out their ‘tempest’ 3D audio system. They shed a bit at Atmos’s tiny 32 channels and says this will do thousands. The trick is that it needs to map your ear shape to be effective. The audio processing has the power of a PS4 cpu dedicated to get it done!

 

I’ll probably end up with both like I did this gen as well as a Switch. It’s all about which to get first. 
 

I would like to avoid launch consoles as they have a high chance of issues. PS4 Pro has loud fans, Switch left controller issues, Xbox One got a 10% speed bump after they dumped Kinect. 

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I would like to avoid launch consoles as they have a high chance of issues. PS4 Pro has loud fans, Switch left controller issues, Xbox One got a 10% speed bump after they dumped Kinect. 

Yeah, and original FAT BC 60GB PS3's suddenly died because they used 'Green' Lead free solder, which dried out got cracks in it. it made them unable to be repair [well a small company in the USA did develop a machine that could melt the solder , but who's going to send a PS3 to the USA to get repaired?]

I'm surprised Sony got away without a class action filed against them because, it happened to so many worldwide.

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I doubt I'm going to pre order anymore, I want to find out a few more details before I commit as I think Sony might end up changing a few things in a updated version.

 

This will probably depend on user feedback [And broken console warranty claims] as early adoptees are usually Tech minded anyway, they are the type that will want to add more storage ASAP, and subsequently report back on any problems, both in sourcing the added SSD's, and their price, and once added to the PS5 does it cause any heat problem which in turn causes the fans to run longer and louder.

 

Plus I still don't know if PS5 games are going to be able to be bought on disc, I haven't seen anything reporting this either way.

My suspicion is that the PS5 version with the disc player is only so it can have backward compatibility with reading PS4 disc's and work as a 4K Bluray player, as Sony CEO Jim Ray has said 66% of Sony games are now bought as downloads [How much of that figure is due to CV-19 lockdowns ?]

I'm sorry, but I've fallen for Sony's spin before, and it's never what you are lead to believe it was going to be, there has always been some sort of hidden limiting or crippling thing that lets them get away with saying saying something will work, but upon buying the unit and trying to get it to work, it will work, but in a very limited capacity, just enough to stave off a court case.[Usually DRM related]

The other scenario I'm expecting might happen is that Sony will initially release the two versions of the PS5, and then use the excuse of saying 'more people are downloading games' to gradually phase out the disc drive version, if that happens you can be sure PS5 games on disc will stop being made, so your left with a bit of a white elephant of a console.

 

Look I don't mind downloading games, it the PRICE GOUGING by SONY that really annoys me, on average it's $30 more for the download version of a new game over a disc version, multiply that by how many games you purchase over a year, then multiple that by how many copies of the game are sold.....pretty nice earner for Sony for doing sod all.

 

Anyway, rant over.

 

The PS5 is a game changer for game DESIGNERS / BUILDERS, that's primarily who the PS5's architecture has been designed for, it's not such a game changer for game players, it's just a generation up on the PS4.

The only real noticeable change a gamer will find is faster loading times, and I suspect due to the multicore nature of the PS5's AMD chip, traversing the menus and opening things like friends lists and community pages should be a lot faster, I certainly hope so. [it's getting real sluggish navigating the menus on a PS4 Pro now, it used to be a lot faster, I blame 7 years of clunky system updates ]

 

I doubt games will actually start looking considerably better until the first ones made with the latest UNREAL 5 engine hit the platform [That engine won't be released until Q2 2021]

Now THAT will be something to behold, but I suspect won't be happening with a major AAA title until at least 2024/5.

 

You also have had the situation where AMD were having problems with the specially designed chip for the PS5, which in turn caused the stalling of the PS5 development kit, so it ended up being sent out way later than the equivalent PS4 development kits prior to the PS4's launch.

 

I suspect due to the abrupt cancellation of the original Cyberpunk 2077 release date being moved to October, that they have been busy tweaking the game for the PS5 version, so of the new releases, this is the one I suspect will be the standout of the first titles available on the PS5......CD RED Rocket are saying if you buy the PS4 version of the game and load it onto a PS5 you will get a PS5 optimized version update for free at a later date, so you can't lose really, unless you hate the game lol.

 

As the game developer come to terms with writing games for the PS5, it will be interesting to compare the file sizes of two versions of the same game, PS4 & PS5, as unless they add some additional features to the PS5 version, by rights, the PS5 version should have a smaller file size, as the way the PS5 has been designed, there is a whole bunch of traditionally used code used for asset management that won't be needed, as the PS5 is so fast it can be read straight off the HD.

 

 

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Just on your point (above) about online purchases - I too strive to buy physical copies.  I have been burnt by Sony's refund policy (it's no better despite the press and fine) for games that are crap or don't work.  One example is Superhot VR for PS VR.  The controls are so god awful that a friend and I literally couldn't progress becuase it couldn't see one of the move controllers properly.  Never got a refund and I persisted!   

 

And friendship among gamers is swapping titles, I just gave away my Horizon Zero Dawn disc to a friend - why is there no game sharing with digital?  I like the fact that friends can also lend me a game for a week or so and I give it back after trying.  Seeing the pretty titles on my self reminds me to play them, but digital seems like a pile of too much things to try haha. 

 

We need physical releases to support local stores, second hand industry and fellow gamers. 

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On 13/08/2020 at 3:19 PM, captaineos said:

I'm probably a day 1 PS5 kinda guy, but it's not for the games necessarily.  I actually want 60fps PS4 upgrades.

There are a few things with the PS4 / PS5 crossover that I'm not sure about, PS4 games at 60fps is one of them.

I strongly suspect the above will only be achievable if you have downloaded a PS4 game to a PS5's internal HD, it's all a matter of data transfer.

Actually it's that data transfer that is the cornerstone of the PS5's design, other than that the difference between gaming on a PS4 PRO and a PS5 would be pretty much indistinguishable.

 

The USB port on the back of the PS5 is so you can play PS4 games stored on a external USB HD, you can't store PS5 games on a external USB, so you won't be getting PS4 games playing at 60 fps off that, neither will you get it from reading off discs on a PS5 with a disc drive, again both down to transfer speeds.

 

This capability of backward compatibility with playing PS4 games stored on a external USB drive will show you what I meant about Sony not telling you the full story, and things actually being limited when you actually go to use them.

I'm betting that you won't be able to plug any external USB HD that you have PS4 games stored on and use them on a PS5, even if you deactivated your PS4 as your main device and make your PS5 the main device.

 

Sony will consider the PS4 and PS5 different systems, much like PS3 was to PS4, and want you to repurchase PS4 games to use on a PS5.......not a problem if you have a PS5 with a disc drive, and you have a disc version of the game, but if you have the download version, expect to get your wallet stolen by Sony yet again, or just keep running a PS4 along side yor PS5......I'm already running out of power sockets [PS2/3/4/PSTV ]

 

All games be they downloaded versions or disc versions have a identifying number , it's what game manufactures and Sony use to get sales figures and other info - like how many used discs are being passed on / resold, it's why the game manufacturers and Sony don't like games on Discs, they only make money on the original sale 

 

I can't see any major gains of games being obviously better[apart from 60 fps if installed on internal HD] on the PS5 than the current best PS4 PRO enhanced games, until they are specifically designed to take advantage of the PS5 architecture AND using the Unreal 5 engine, so at best mid 2023, as Unreal 5 engine won't be available till mid 2021.

 

The Elephant in the room that nobody has talked about is that get the best from the PS5, the game makers will need to rethink their way of making games, as the PS5 system architecture makes a lot of current asset /data management basically redundant, which is fine if building a game that is only going to be released on the PS5, but problematic when making it for other ports.

 

You might [a big might] get the situation where most games get released on the PS5 first, as it will be easier to code for, then ported to PC / XBOX / Switch.....great for Sony.

OR

The other possibility is that PC gaming machines will end up being configured like the PS5, and a separate gaming specific OS comes into being...Very BAD for Sony.

 

See what happens over the next 5 years, as that's about the time frame I suspect these things will be answered.

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I'll be buying the PS5 disc version. 

 

I've noticed that the Champions League tournament in Europe is now sponsored by Sony PS5, so I suspect release must be close.

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If GT7 is released with a good physics engine & gameplay, i'll get one.

It would help tilt the balance if polyphony included the USB drivers for a driving force pro (official steering wheel).

Going from official steering wheel to unsupported controller (in the case of GT sport) is pure BS.

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I will be getting the PS5 and GT7. Thankfully it’s all compatible with my current rig or I would have been

mighty pissed 

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Anybody getting a PS5 might want to view this video from HDTVTEST on getting a new HDMI cable that will work without problems.

I don't know if Sony include a suitable cable with the PS5, but if you start having problems at least this might be the reason why.

 

 

 

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I'll almost certainly buy one. Play it for 3 hours then it will collect dust.

 

At least that's what I did with the PS4. Every 6 months or so, went back and bought 2 or 3 top end games to play. Played for 3 hours, back to dust collecting. 

 

Had every generation of PS so far though (and one xbox360) Seems unfortunate to break tradition. 

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