almikel Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Old news, but I only found out today... ...since Windows 8, shutting down and turning on a Windows PC does not achieve the same outcome as a Restart. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/what-is-the-difference-between-restart-and-shut/d512fa31-3bce-49bc-bada-11eda28e3b7f If you're trying to clear up little issues a Restart will clear the RAM, whereas a Shutdown writes the RAM to disk and reloads it on start up... ...I find I restart my work Windows 10 laptop (Surface Pro) nearly daily, but my music laptop (also Windows 10) typically gets turned on for a music session then turned off - I'll commence adding some restarts into that mix...or turn off "Fast Start" (instructions are in the link) cheers Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 All those many many lucky people who never updated, never moved away from W7 which is the best Bill Gates ever achieved for the computer illiterate. How lucky they are. Even if it's no longer supported, every other dumb arse like me who still has it is grinning like a Cheshire Cat. Me? I was seduced into the free upgrade and I've regretted it ever since. W10 is someone's revenge on everyone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almikel Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Luc said: All those many many lucky people who never updated, never moved away from W7 which is the best Bill Gates ever achieved for the computer illiterate. How lucky they are. Even if it's no longer supported, every other dumb arse like me who still has it is grinning like a Cheshire Cat. Me? I was seduced into the free upgrade and I've regretted it ever since. W10 is someone's revenge on everyone. maybe not many hackers are focusing on W7 vulnerabilities anymore - and I'm not saying W7 is more or less vulnerable than W10 - but if a device is connected to the internet, my preference is to have a supported operating system with up to date patches. Some computer literate users may still remain on W7 for their own reasons - I would not recommend this for computer illiterate users if their devices are connected to the interweb. cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Personally I'd love to switch to Linux or BSD though have always found it breaks itself if you leave automatic updates on... The Linux community are not terribly helpful to noobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 22 minutes ago, MattyW said: The Linux community are not terribly helpful to noobs. Depends on the distro you choose I guess. Many of them are supported by the most helpful forums I have ever encountered. 23 minutes ago, MattyW said: Personally I'd love to switch to Linux or BSD though have always found it breaks itself if you leave automatic updates on... As does Windows - VERY regularly. I haven't had a problem with a Linux update, but I can easily believe it happens from time to time. Good news is, linux is so much quicker easier to reinstall than Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) I give Linux a try every now and then just to see if it's ready.... Not yet always seems to be the answer. One of these days though. I've strangely never had an issue with Windows 10. I intensely dislike the multitude locations for settings and start menu though for me the performance and stability has been excellent. Linux has always had superior sound quality though. Edited January 12, 2020 by MattyW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, MattyW said: I give Linux a try every now and then just to see if it's ready.... Not yet always seems to be the answer. One of these days though. If you haven't already, next time give Linux Mint a try. It is very slick these days and has a high wife acceptance factor. 15 minutes ago, MattyW said: I've strangely never had an issue with Windows 10. Windows 10 updates have broken my wife's laptop twice - to the point where it would not power on. Everything has it's problems at times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PositivelyMusicallyGeared Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 The w10 laptop I had until recently when I got rid of it, froze up every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Ours always had problems the day after patch Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I may change my notebook to Linux at some point. I like the look of Deepin Linux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Muon N' Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I've only had a couple of issues with Win 7 updates, but now know how to get around those one or two problem ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter-E Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 8:10 PM, Luc said: All those many many lucky people who never updated, never moved away from W7 which is the best Bill Gates ever achieved for the computer illiterate. How lucky they are. Even if it's no longer supported, every other dumb arse like me who still has it is grinning like a Cheshire Cat. Me? I was seduced into the free upgrade and I've regretted it ever since. W10 is someone's revenge on everyone. Strange i have very few issues with Win10 from the day I first got it. Only done 1 clean re install (probably a virus issue) As an ex IT person I have always stood by the mantra if it does what you need, don't upgrade. New versions of windows typically need new hardware, new firmware, new drivers and that is where Windows lets people down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JukKluk2 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 10/01/2020 at 8:40 PM, Luc said: W10 is someone's revenge on everyone. Never a truer word spoken. As someone who has very little understanding of the various iterations of Windows all that I can say is, after getting on well with Windows 7 I found the change to 10 a major headache. 7 was, after using the previous ten years worth of Windows, pretty intuitive for a know-nothing like me. 10 was a PITA from day one for me. I have now got used to it. Sort of. I also have to say that I have absolutely no idea what anyone is saying when they talk about "using" 10, nor understood what was upgraded when each new version came out. How do you use Windows, in the sense of an activity? In my ignorance I see it as just a backdrop upon which the programmes that you use are contained within. I have much doubt that I am even making sense to the computer literate and am simply proving my statement that starts this paragraph. I'll shut up now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, JukKluk2 said: In my ignorance I see it as just a backdrop upon which the programmes that you use are contained within. That's a fair enough concept as a user. However, it isn't a passive backdrop. It's very active and provides many many services to you and the programs you run. It handles creating the display you see, accessing your disk drives, accessing your network, playing music and tonnes of other stuff. So, you are using Windows, every time you turn on the computer and interact with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JukKluk2 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, aussievintage said: That's a fair enough concept as a user. However, it isn't a passive backdrop. It's very active and provides many many services to you and the programs you run. It handles creating the display you see, accessing your disk drives, accessing your network, playing music and tonnes of other stuff. So, you are using Windows, every time you turn on the computer and interact with it. I suppose it's the same as most people who drive cars, you know that you put the fuel in at one end and, after turning the key, you can go places without any regard to each of the little steps that makes up the journey as a whole. Computers and cars share an equal level of understanding in my mind. Thank you @aussievintage for the elucidation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Muon N' Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I turned on my Win 7 PC today and was welcomed with this screen. Well, not really, just a blurb about no more support Ended today it seems, so I got 4 important updates and will get no more I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdDrawerDown Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Welcome to Windows 10. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 An OS is merely a platform to launch applications. If I didn't play the occasional game I could probably make the move off it. The Windows 10 interface is only an upgrade compared to 8. Windows 7 interface remains the best they ever came up with. Interface and useability complaints aside I've found the performance and reliability of 10 to be the best I've experienced to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelossus Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 34 minutes ago, MattyW said: An OS is merely a platform to launch applications. If I didn't play the occasional game I could probably make the move off it. The Windows 10 interface is only an upgrade compared to 8. Windows 7 interface remains the best they ever came up with. Interface and useability complaints aside I've found the performance and reliability of 10 to be the best I've experienced to date. Absolutely, Windows 7 was king. An honorable mention goes to Windows XP. I love me that "classic" start bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Muon N' Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I think of what I run as programs, I can't help but think of virtual pets that you need to get up at 3am to feed less they expire when 'apps' or 'applications' are mentioned :D I can't help but think of apps as simple code for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, kelossus said: Absolutely, Windows 7 was king. An honorable mention goes to Windows XP. I love me that "classic" start bar. I actually get all nostalgic over XP.... And 98SE..... And MS-DOS 6.22 upgrade.... MS-DOS 5.0 somewhat too Edited January 15, 2020 by MattyW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Muon N' Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, MattyW said: I actually get all nostalgic over XP.... And 98SE..... And MS-DOS 6.22 upgrade.... MS-DOS 5.0 somewhat too Really? I completely forgot them after I installed 7. Trying to forget 10 now I won't even mention ME or Vista vanilla 98 sucked, and the first couple of versions of 95 sucked pretty hard, MS-DOS is well before my time although you needed a little of it for working with 95/98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD19 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I have stayed on Win 8.1 Pro, using the old Classic interface. Got the useful GWX tool which prevented the sneaky automatic Win 10 install. I am a Luddite! Will eventually have to regrade (not 'up') I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Muon N' said: Really? I completely forgot them after I installed 7. Trying to forget 10 now I won't even mention ME or Vista vanilla 98 sucked, and the first couple of versions of 95 sucked pretty hard, MS-DOS is well before my time although you needed a little of it for working with 95/98. Oh yeah, had 3 separate boot discs with minimal drivers and different memory optimizations in order to run various games. Some needed more base memory, others more extended etc. Some of my all time favorite games were on DOS also and this continued on into Windows 98.... As time has gone on games have become more realistic and harder to play, and I've simply not enjoyed them as much. One exception though was the latest installment of DOOM. Just like playing in the old days except with better graphics etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_m_54 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Muon N' said: I think of what I run as programs, I can't help but think of virtual pets that you need to get up at 3am to feed less they expire when 'apps' or 'applications' are mentioned :D I can't help but think of apps as simple code for some reason. Back in the olden days, when the Amiga 500 was alive, they used to call any of the productivity software (graphics, audio, video, programming and office etc.) "Applications", while smaller programs, for specific purposes were called Utilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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