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It seems logical that faithfully reproducing music that is exciting will lead to fatigue just as a live music event does.  It would also follow that a system that does not cause this form of fatigue is not reproducing faithfully.  Leaving aside fatigue caused by distortion/harshness etc. anyone else find that the more stimulating and accurate a system, the more the requirement for a break occasionally, or just buy a roll of tickets and stay on the rollercoaster 'til closing?

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Perhaps you're referring to an amplified live concert? I can't say I've ever been to a live - unamplified - concert that led to fatigue no matter how long or loud it was.

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Yeah, PA systems dish out distortion in spades, I don't want to dish up the same types of distortions at home.

 

Nothing is faithfully reproduced, it's just reproduced, in many different forms.

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Both, have listened to cello and violins at events unamplified and it's not the distortion free sound as such but the effect the music has on you, the state of stimulation it causes.

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On 17/12/2019 at 1:16 PM, Ittaku said:

Perhaps you're referring to an amplified live concert? I can't say I've ever been to a live - unamplified - concert that led to fatigue no matter how long or loud it was.

Wagner's Ring Cycle might :)

 

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11 minutes ago, almikel said:

Wagner's Ring Cycle might :)

Not sure anyone's ever held a production of the entire ring cycle in one sitting 😆

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Is this a thread trying to justify a fatiguing system?

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Two things cause fatigue.

1.  Distortion
2.  Excessive SPL

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4 hours ago, DJGopal said:

Two things cause fatigue.

1.  Distortion
2.  Excessive SPL

Agreed, but would point some types of distortion, to those of the odd order especially higher, the objectionable types of distortion 😎

 

A system can sound awesome with a sense of realism without being fatiguing,

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i walked out a demo of some many many  years ago...after 20min of not being able to take any more :D 

 

fatigue is NOT good. its not why i listen to music for. am sure there are those that do and respect that. but i dont really want to feel flogged out listening to stuff :D 

 

ive been to music concerts, yes indeed some are (amplified) so loud with distortion and high spls as identified above ...its unbearable, i tend to take ear plugs - for that reason... our hearing once lost can never be fixed...and id rather keep enjoying and listening to music for as long as possible... :)

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The only acceptable fatigue is that which comes from an extended period of concentration or emotional absorption in the music.

If you’re getting it from the system, sorry, change the system.

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On 23/12/2019 at 1:52 PM, Muon N' said:

Agreed, but would point some types of distortion, to those of the odd order especially higher, the objectionable types of distortion 😎

 

A system can sound awesome with a sense of realism without being fatiguing,

 

I read somewhere - I'll let you know when I find it - that 5th order (I guess that is what you mean by "higher order") is to be avoided like fingernails scratching a blackboard, even in nearly unmeasurable tiny amounts.

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Guest Muon N'

Yup, 5th is also odd order.

 

A little 3rd is OK, 2nd is nice.

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Two things cause fatigue.

1.  Distortion
2.  Excessive SPL

+ subwoofers 

+Distortion at low hz

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, murrmax said:

+Distortion at low hz

agreed

 

2 hours ago, murrmax said:

+ subwoofers 

well integrated subs will reduce distortion massively and won't cause fatigue

 

mike

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On 23/12/2019 at 6:08 AM, DJGopal said:

Two things cause fatigue.

1.  Distortion
2.  Excessive SPL

And hot treble.

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37 minutes ago, keinesorge said:

And hot treble.

And crap music

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On 23/12/2019 at 9:08 AM, DJGopal said:

Two things cause fatigue.

1.  Distortion
2.  Excessive SPL

The second one is a myth, no such thing 

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On 24/12/2019 at 7:29 PM, murrmax said:

+ subwoofers 

+Distortion at low hz

 

 

 

False

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Lol, Subs don’t cause fatigue. 

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11 minutes ago, Sime said:

Lol, Subs don’t cause fatigue. 

 

They do if poorly adjusted!......................well annoyance anyway...............

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On 17/12/2019 at 2:11 PM, Student of Mohan said:

anyone else find that the more stimulating and accurate a system, the more the requirement for a break occasionally

As you say, it depends on what recording is playing.

 

Some are "supposed" to sound like that.

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24 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

annoyance

Correct 😂

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30 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

 

They do if poorly adjusted!......................well annoyance anyway...............

Poorly setup or located ...Or also poor subs being asked to do what not capable of ...ie pushed beyond their limits no different to any other speaker ... :)

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On 25/12/2019 at 5:13 PM, Ittaku said:

And crap music

And good music with a crap recording .... which seems to cause fatigue due to poor, and in some cases ‘hot’ tonal balance, if not also other reasons..  And what about fatigue due to high levels of detail.  What is the reason this can cause fatigue?

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