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Just bought the Sony ier m7 for the trip to work to replace my Sennheiser momentum true free. Which DAP do people recommend or is there a better option like the chord mojo? I like the Sony but I know it's the last powerful and most expensive with no streaming options.

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Like you said, the WM1A doesn't have streaming so if that's important to you, take it out of the running. I have a ZX300 and I'll be selling it as for me, the convenience of Spotify is starting to tak

Having heard a lot from the FiiO M11 and really enjoying it, I'm sure the M11 Pro would certainly work for you. Have you had a chance to listen to the M11 (not pro)? Might be a good option too. L

I bought the M11 none Pro.  Speaking to A2A they advised was not much difference based on the headphones I would use.  Also the none pro version is more powerful and has 2 SD card slots while being ch

Like you said, the WM1A doesn't have streaming so if that's important to you, take it out of the running. I have a ZX300 and I'll be selling it as for me, the convenience of Spotify is starting to take over as life gets busier. I'd personally take the M11 out of those two options.

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19 minutes ago, zenkijin said:

heard ibasso dx220 is pretty badass

yeah heard that except the battery it's meant to be really good, it make decent power so sounds better but battery takes a huge hit.  Was thinking AK but really want 4.4mm balanced so probably get the M11 pro unless the Sony drops for black friday sales.

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Having heard a lot from the FiiO M11 and really enjoying it, I'm sure the M11 Pro would certainly work for you. Have you had a chance to listen to the M11 (not pro)? Might be a good option too.

Looking at the iBasso, it looks like there's a Korg NuTube amp module attachment which I'd love to try out. If you like tubes, maybe that's a consideration?

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4 hours ago, commawaffle said:

Having heard a lot from the FiiO M11 and really enjoying it, I'm sure the M11 Pro would certinaly work for you. Have you had a chance to listen to the M11 (not pro)? Might be a good option too.
 

I bought the M11 none Pro.  Speaking to A2A they advised was not much difference based on the headphones I would use.  Also the none pro version is more powerful and has 2 SD card slots while being cheaper.  Money towards my next headphones/DAC.  Really like the M11, very detailed have compared to a Sony portable amp PHA2 very different. 

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1 hour ago, Bengineer said:

Ah really. Minidisc said the M11 Pro was a decent step up.

 

Hmm. M11 (non pro) is a good amount cheaper too.

 

I'm looking at one soon.

The Pro only has the advantage of the THX, the M11 normal already has a low sound floor anyway.  Unless you using super headphones like the Andromeda it probably not needed to spend the extra money.  The pro have a lower floor due to less power. 

 

39 minutes ago, rx79ez08 said:

The Fiio M15 and the Sony new Android Walkman the Z507 are meant to be available soon as well.

The Sony is out and it's like $1200 and the M15 will be out soon and likely to be over $1500 depending on currency, can preorder for like $1500 american already.  When you compare both against the M11 normal at under $700 it makes it look like a bargain.

 

Beat me to it Bengineer.

 

Although the biggest advantage with the Sony you have proper access to the store which I dont need but would like, don't know if the m15 will have it, someone else can advise. 

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13 minutes ago, sly_bastard said:

The Sony is out and it's like $1200 and the M15 will be out soon and likely to be over $1500 depending on currency, can preorder for like $1500 american already.  When you compare both against the M11 normal at under $700 it makes it look like a bargain.

 

Is the Z507 in country already. I know they are out in other territories. Last time I talked to A2A they said late January, so I assume they are not available yet.

 

I am a big fan of Sony's stuff and have been using a WM1A since it came out. Really looking forward to the new player.

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4 minutes ago, rx79ez08 said:

Is the Z507 in country already. I know they are out in other territories. Last time I talked to A2A they said late January, so I assume they are not available yet.

 

I am a big fan of Sony's stuff and have been using a WM1A since it came out. Really looking forward to the new player.

Both A2A and Minidisc have pre-order but Sony Australia have it for sale https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/walkman/nw-zx500-series

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M11 Pro has the better DAC chips in it, but rest seems mostly same same.

 

So the Sony ZX500, is called the 507B here (?), runs some sort of Android with Play Store?

 

Might look into it too. Though M11 price is tempting.

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2 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

M11 Pro has the better DAC chips in it, but rest seems mostly same same.

 

So the Sony ZX500, is called the 507B here (?), runs some sort of Android with Play Store?

 

Might look into it too. Though M11 price is tempting.

I think the only model within the ZX500 series is the 507. Sony usually uses the last digit in the model number to differentiate the storage size. I think the B after will probably be the colour, although I haven't heard the 507 with different colour.

 

Both the ZX500 and the A100 series come with full Android with Google Service, which means Play Store, Netflix, Tidal etc. i.e. no need to side load apps. But I think only the official playback app have full access to all resolutions (i.e. other player like Poweramp might down sample to 44 kHz, etc). I have seen Tidal running in the A100 on demo in A2A Melbourne, which probably is just as well as it only has 16 GB internal memory. Both models take MicroSD though.

 

I happen to really like the Sony's implementation of 4.4mm balanced output in the WM1A, so I am looking forward to the ZX507.

 

18 minutes ago, sly_bastard said:

Both A2A and Minidisc have pre-order but Sony Australia have it for sale https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/walkman/nw-zx500-series

I saw the listing on Sony Australia's website, just don't know if they actually have stock. A2A is generally pretty quick with Sony's stuff, so I was thinking either the first shipment have sold out or it is not in country yet if it is still pre-order on their website.

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Wonder how the 500 compares to the WM1A, given they basically same price now.

 

I have the Z1R at the moment, will be using the 4.4mm balanced from it.

 

Edit: So the Sony can play Netflix videos? Haven't really thought about that part much, many DAPs do that?

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

@rx79ez08

 

You happen to know if the Sony players have a channel balance setting? I.e Can shift the left channel up 1db for example?

There is a left\right balance adjustment menu. Up to 3 db in 0.5 db increment. Don't know how well it works though.

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I have owned the DX220 ( so;d it due to poor battery life and a slow menu system) and then purchased a M11. I returned the M11 as it sounded to thin for my tastes. I now have a M11 Pro and it sounds more meaty than the M11, battery life is in-line with others (bar the sony) and the menu system is fast, streaming works well and no wifi / bluetooth issues to date ( unlike Ibasso).

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11 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

It'll either be M11 Pro or new Sony ZX507. Haven't decided.

I was thinking of getting the Sony as well but the sales are meh ATM. I think a2a are advertising a sale but couldn't really see anything on sale past what they normally do.

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1 hour ago, sly_bastard said:

I was thinking of getting the Sony as well but the sales are meh ATM. I think a2a are advertising a sale but couldn't really see anything on sale past what they normally do.

Basically. 10% off with Minidisc. Still $1080 though.

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I'd be going DX220. Interchangeable amps + lurker firmware which improves battery life, GUI performance and adds Google Playstore. It also comes with a decent leather case and the support from iBasso is very good and unlike FIIO won't be replaced by a "superior" model 5 minutes after you buy it!!

 

Can be had for 1299.00 here in AU.

 

I'll be buying one myself very soon.

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So the Lurker Firmware is something you load on to override the stock? And playstore works flawlessly?

 

What Amp is the best to get? Recall seeing a tube one too!

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Yeah - see details here;

 

https://github.com/Lurker00/DX220-Firmware-Add-on

 

There is a number of amps available. Depends on what headphone/IEM you are going to be using. I don't know what you have.

 

The AMP9 is the KORG nutube amp.

 

http://www.ibasso.com/cp_xq_dy.php?id=8744#page1

 

Minidisc have a sale atm. 10% off.

 

 

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I'd go the high voltage swing balanced amp8 assuming of course you have balanced cables. The Z1R comes with them I think. Not sure about the Aeon 2 closed.

 

http://www.ibasso.com/cp_xq_dy.php?id=6958#page2

 

You can never have too much power.

 

As for standard amp1 MKII on high gain might be ok but I'm not sure. Anyways, if you go with some IEM's down the track you will always have it. That's the beauty of this DAP. 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 27/01/2020 at 11:29 AM, oldf%$ker said:

I'd be going DX220.

 

On 26/01/2020 at 11:17 AM, digitalhome said:

I have owned the DX220 ( so;d it due to poor battery life and a slow menu system)

This was my main issue about not getting the ibasso and it doesn't have a 4.4mm connection as well as some other issues I seen go around. I ordered the Sony zx507 on the weekend so will compare it to the m11 and see which I'll keep.

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10 minutes ago, sly_bastard said:

 

This was my main issue about not getting the ibasso and it doesn't have a 4.4mm connection as well as some other issues I seen go around. I ordered the Sony zx507 on the weekend so will compare it to the m11 and see which I'll keep.

Awesome.

 

Let me know how it goes.

 

What headphones you driving with it?

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42 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

What headphones you driving with it?

My daily is Sony ier m9 but also have some Sony ier z1r. Also have done Sennheiser hd820 I will probably test on both the DAPs.  

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On 28/01/2020 at 4:10 PM, Bengineer said:

Yes please!

 

I'm tossing up between a M11, ZX507 or like a BTR5 and use the phone for cheap.

Hmm ok listened to the Sony a little and it's quite nice but is it leaps ahead of the fiio m11 standard edition... Not really but still a little ahead though as expected for almost twice the price but it still loses in certain categories. The sound quality is better, treble is not as harsh, the bass a of a bit more resolving, I would say a little less airy and slightly better soundstage on my daily headphones and maybe on the Sony ier Z1R but maybe not as noticeable. Question is, is it worth the extra from a sound point yes if that's the sound signature you want.

 

Now the issues, to get a decent volume I'm at 85/100 at high gain so not much left and battery drain seems to be quite is mean so far but need to update Android still. The fiio on the other hand high gain I'm at 65/140 I think and battery is 10 hours. The form factor is a plus but obviously is directly related to the above issues, I think it could have done with a smidge more battery overall/power. It also gets physically warm, so the the fiio but less often and less noticeable overall. 

 

Tired the z1r and definitely a touch better on the zx507 but depending on your preference could go either way. Volume on both daps was less due to better headphone efficiency. This is also without any burn in on the Sony zx507 expect it to get better. But the z1rs are interesting as sometimes though as hard to get a proper seal so hard to compare apples to apples.

 

If you like the Sony sound it will probably be your choice and the form factor is amazing. The fiio needs more bassy headphones to sound better. It's like a a Sennheiser amp very analytical and if you have the headphones to counter it is quite nice overall. The Sony is amazing on many levels and I would expect can work better with more headphones types overall. Not only in general but also as has system EQ so can counter a bad headphone in Tidal even which maybe a more difficult feat in the Fiio.  Also the Fiio app EQ seemed less effective to me overall.

 

On another topic the only reason I would worry about the btr5 is power unless you only plan to use it with iems and I assume it has a very Fiio sound so maybe less likeable overall.

 

TLDR: The Sony is better but not by much dependent what you want in terms of usability and sound quality which makes the price difference dependent on your own needs. The Fiio also comes with a case and screen protector out of box which says a lot as Sony expects you to get your own which increases costs.  Also the Sony is lacking power so I would recommend IEM only or low power headphones like the Sony MDR Z1R, the Fiio can go a little higher to mid range power headphones. In the end both are great players.

 

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On 29/01/2020 at 10:38 PM, Bengineer said:

Awesome. Thanks.

 

I have a BTR5 coming, figured give it a go, it's cheap. Will run 4.4mm Balanced and see how it does. LDAC phone to it.

Let us know how it is. I tried the bt ldac thing and I found it a little flatter sound wise with the m11 but the btr5 might be different. Looking at is specs it lists 240mw max which I assumed was 120mw per channel which isn't terrible but won't power or hungry cans as such.

 

With regard to the m11 v zx507 on default more listening has given some interesting results. I generally like the Sony better but there are songs/genres which I prefer the M11. The Sony is average with male vocals especially with some bad behind it, I would put the equal on female vocals for different reasons. Songs from artists like kygo or rage against the machine seem to sound better on the m11 but generally the Sony is warmer and typically slightly more enjoyable to listen to.

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15 minutes ago, sly_bastard said:

Let us know how it is. I tried the bt ldac thing and I found it a little flatter sound wise with the m11 but the btr5 might be different. Looking at is specs it lists 240mw max which I assumed was 120mw per channel which isn't terrible but won't power or hungry cans as such.

I bought a BTR5 to run Tin P1s balanced, which it does well. It does a slightly subpar job trying to run my more difficult Aeon Flow Open

On 29/01/2020 at 11:08 PM, Bengineer said:

I have a BTR5 coming, figured give it a go, it's cheap. Will run 4.4mm Balanced and see how it does. LDAC phone to it.

You probably know this, but you'll need a 2.5mm-4.4mm converter then.

 

Nothing worse than a new toy arriving and not having the right connector!

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39 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

Yeah, adapter coming with it. It's rated at like 200-250mw per channel in balanced isn't it? Should be plenty, see how it fairs though. Z1R is easy to drive.

Fiio list total mw for device so max 240 in total for both channels. 120mw power per channel.

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38 minutes ago, sly_bastard said:

Fiio list total mw for device so max 240 in total for both channels. 120mw power per channel.

220mw total in balanced mode, but close enough

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