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Hi Guys and Gals

 

Ive been busy running my business and have been slack in keeping up to date. My current Samsung 62" Smart TV now has 3 vertical rows of lines that cannot be ignored and Im pretty sure 'Clive Anthonys' arent in a position to look at it under warranty *tongue in cheek

 

Anyway, with many choices Im hoping that with some narrowing down I can go hunting & gathering for a replacement suitable for my needs.

 

Whilst my heart says I need the biggest and best, my head tells me that last time I didnt use half the features.

 

My current requirements:

 

Seating approx 4m away

Lounge room with natural light that cant be controlled with curtains etc during the day (but is tinted)

View is not in front. My fav seat is to the side just off the edge of the TV

Mostly streaming via Chrome Ultra. Movies, Sport

Sound on TV muted and via sound system

The old TV struggled with dark scenes (but that could have been the light in the room or the wrong setting.)

Dont think theres anything else.

62" minimum (cant go backwards) but maybe a little bigger would be nice as long as I can get it on the Sanus VLT6 wall bracket

 

Cost: Not an issue, but Im not sure I can justify $5+ K for a TV anymore, esp given my poor room conditions.

 

I'll keep going through the threads as time permits and look forward to any suggested solutions.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks.

 

What is the current weakness in my setup that I need to look at most?

Light in the room or viewing angle? or is it just about finding a good quality, reasonable price OLED TV?

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3 minutes ago, mjs said:

I don’t reckon 65” is big enough for 4m viewing distance, you will struggle to get OLED >65” for the price

So a decent <65" will be over $5K? and I know, decent is subjective.

 

 

 

 

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I’m not exactly sure what’s out there but OLEDs >65” have been rare up until recently. The current LG C9 77” is >$7k I think

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Just to make sure Im understanding what Im reading.

 

In my room, LCD is brighter but worse when it comes to blacks. But in a light filled room is blacker blacks noticable?

 

LCD viewing angle needs an IPS panel for better viewing.

 

OLED has better viewing angle, contrast, colours, but not overly bright. So in my room I probably wont notice a huge improvement esp for the price increase.

 

Therefore Im probably best looking at the LED LCD in a larger screen ie 70+" which will give me better bang for buck. and bright enough for day viewing.

 

If I had a media room then OLED all the way.

 

Is this a realist summation or have I got my brightness' mixed up?

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I think that what you have said is pretty much right.

The Sony X9500 models aren’t IPS, they are FALD and have some claimed wide viewing angle improvement, I certainly don’t have any issue with mine.

Despite the “showroom” factor, have a look at a retailer somewhere and form a view

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I second the SONY option, it's probably your best bang for buck.

The problem with some, not all LED/LCD screen is they have a glass front, so seeing your reflection can be a distraction.

 

I'd check if I were you that any TV you bought was able to playback both HDR-10+ and Dolby Vision encoded material, or at least HDR-10+ [I think Panasonic are the only ones supporting both ATM] that will give you a bit of 'Future Proofing'.

 

As for not having as deep Blacks as OLED's, well that is true, but it's also relative to what you are used to.

I think it's the fact that OLED screens are not reflective makes a bigger impact than ultimate Black level.

 

Sony's FALD [Field Array Local Dimming] TV's a pretty good in that regard, it's LED/LCD designs with 'Edge Lite' panels that suffer this problem more.

 

There is a cheap upgrade you can apply to a LED/LCD display that tricks the eye into making the Blacks look Blacker than they actually are.

It's called Bias Lighting, which depending on if you have your TV mounted on the wall, or on a stand, will require either a single strip on D65 calibrated LED's stuck on the back of the TV [Stand Mount] or 4 smaller strips stuck around each edge of the TV if wall mounted.

Both work on the same principle, they create a Halo around the TV, which makes any Black reproduced by the TV a lot Blacker due to the Halo being brighter.

But if you have your TV in a room that constantly has a lot of ambient light going on around the TV, they might not make that much difference.

 

I just bought some for my stand mount 65" for $99 delivered.

https://www.biaslighting.com.au/

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Sony 80" will work out well at that viewing distance these days and as others have said its a good buy with many features too. But here's trick get someone to go to Costco and get their price then take it to a Sony shop and they price match and give more in value with add ons. Way to go...

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Bing Lee do the same

 

The REAL trick is to KNOW when to buy !

 

November is good, but March is ALWAYS the best time for MEGA discounts.

 

The reason is that all the manufacturers show all their new to year models at CES in Las Vegas, which is usually held on about the 7th -10th of Jan each year.

Thos new models don't start hitting AUS shores till around June / July.....so all the old stock in the warehouses has to be sold first......hence the discounts, which depends on how much stock are in the warehouses, and how  big the TV is [Bigger are usually harder to move- but usually there are less of them in the warehouses] so you have to time it right.

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@Meinoz as a heads up sitting 4m fro ma 65" you wont even resolve 1080p HDTV let alone Ultrahd. need to be sitting 2.57m from a 65" to resolve 1080p. Even forgetting resolution, THX recommended for immersion is under 2m :)

 

so definitely need to go bigger...

 

9 hours ago, Meinoz said:

Lounge room with natural light that cant be controlled with curtains etc during the day (but is tinted)

this would eliminate projectors which would be more suitable at this sort of distance....

 

9 hours ago, Meinoz said:

View is not in front. My fav seat is to the side just off the edge of the TV

we have seats to side in our setup and can tell you a non ips will not be good... not for me anyways ....what decent IPS sets are there out there in larger than 65" ? 

 

 i would suggest just on the viewing angle would mean you want an OLED ? though even a 65 oled as can be seen here is $3k for the LG or $5k for upper panas. goodness knows what larger than that set will cost ! 

 

the contrast of OLEDs is not to be dispensed ....

 

 

 

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The contrast difference of a OLED, is I agree, not to be dispensed.

But from the OP's statement about viewing conditions, I doubt they would be truly appreciated the difference.

Especially since most viewing is Streamed content .....if it were 4K disc content....well that's a different matter

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3 hours ago, agelessgoodguy said:

Sony 80" will work out well at that viewing distance these days and as others have said its a good buy with many features too. But here's trick get someone to go to Costco and get their price then take it to a Sony shop and they price match and give more in value with add ons. Way to go...

Sony is either 75" or 85"

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12 hours ago, betty boop said:

@Meinoz as a heads up sitting 4m fro ma 65" you wont even resolve 1080p HDTV let alone Ultrahd. need to be sitting 2.57m from a 65" to resolve 1080p. Even forgetting resolution, THX recommended for immersion is under 2m :)

 

so definitely need to go bigger...

 

this would eliminate projectors which would be more suitable at this sort of distance....

 

we have seats to side in our setup and can tell you a non ips will not be good... not for me anyways ....what decent IPS sets are there out there in larger than 65" ? 

 

 i would suggest just on the viewing angle would mean you want an OLED ? though even a 65 oled as can be seen here is $3k for the LG or $5k for upper panas. goodness knows what larger than that set will cost ! 

 

the contrast of OLEDs is not to be dispensed ....

 

 

 

Given I cant sit closer without the lounge room looking weird (Zero chance of MoF acceptance). 

 

and I cant afford an 85" or bigger OLED. Im guessing a 75" LCD will have to do.

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4 minutes ago, Meinoz said:

.....and I cant afford an 85" or bigger OLED. Im guessing a 75" LCD will have to do.

With everything you have said so far;

- difficult lighting conditions

- non-premium (ie. not 4K/UHD) content

- seating distance

- let's be honest a very modest offset (the edge of the screen at ~4m is almost directly in front in real terms)

 

A 75" LCD is the best solution, particularly a quality unit like the Sony X95. (you could compare the Samsung Q series for a more expensive option if you want)

 

IMHO you are unlikely to see enough benefit from the significant extra cost of going OLED in that size range unless you plan on making changes to the light control of the environment and dramatically increasing the amount of 4K/UHD you watch that you still won't be able to resolve at that distance anyway......

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14 minutes ago, Meinoz said:

Thanks for the responses. I just need to get to a store now and have a look for myself.

best bet check out from angles and distances considering and pick what best suits looks best to your eyes :)

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nothing wrong with a 75" Sony have one myself at 3.2 M away. Don't forget to price shop like I said earlier as Sony will price match every time.  Al's right check what you like in stores before you buy, but get them to take it out of demo mode first as that's designed to trick you some as well, if they will let you, even take your own USB or disk video material that your familiar with too.

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To bring some clarity to Costs of the TV's being spoken via Costco about 30mins ago I saw these offerings, Sony Bravia  75" model 75X8500G for $3179, the 85" version X85G wifi LED is $3899.99  if the Sammy Qled is the go then a QA 82Q60R is going out for $3769.99 even allowing for the joining fee that's a fair bit off what the retailers are offering isn't it?

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1 hour ago, agelessgoodguy said:

To bring some clarity to Costs of the TV's being spoken via Costco about 30mins ago I saw these offerings, Sony Bravia  75" model 75X8500G for $3179, the 85" version X85G wifi LED is $3899.99  if the Sammy Qled is the go then a QA 82Q60R is going out for $3769.99 even allowing for the joining fee that's a fair bit off what the retailers are offering isn't it?

These are older models. The 75X9500G is at HN for $3999 which is a comparable price for new models, for example. The 95G is better than the 85G, I would go for the 95 

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Had a look at the 9500 beside the 8500 and even though it was cramped and had to look over shelving to get the distance right, you could see the difference in the blacks. The stores aren’t very viewing friendly as everything is crammed in, but at this stage it’s the 9500 now it depends on whether I get the 75 or 85. Need the blessing of the MoF.

On another note, I have a Denon X4100W which I currently have a chrome cast connected and then a hdmi to the tv.

Given these tvs have built in casting, what would be the best way to connect to get the highest quality result for both picture and sound using casting?

Currently everything is either streamed from a Laptop or chrome cast.

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Had a look at the 9500 beside the 8500 and even though it was cramped and had to look over shelving to get the distance right, you could see the difference in the blacks. The stores aren’t very viewing friendly as everything is crammed in, but at this stage it’s the 9500 now it depends on whether I get the 75 or 85. Need the blessing of the MoF.

On another note, I have a Denon X4100W which I currently have a chrome cast connected and then a hdmi to the tv.

Given these tvs have built in casting, what would be the best way to connect to get the highest quality result for both picture and sound using casting?

Currently everything is either streamed from a Laptop or chrome cast.


Should have added, if there is a thread on this already can you point me in the direction as I’m having trouble finding one. Thnx
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On 10/11/2019 at 2:41 PM, Meinoz said:

Had a look at the 9500 beside the 8500 and even though it was cramped and had to look over shelving to get the distance right, you could see the difference in the blacks. The stores aren’t very viewing friendly as everything is crammed in, but at this stage it’s the 9500 now it depends on whether I get the 75 or 85. Need the blessing of the MoF.

On another note, I have a Denon X4100W which I currently have a chrome cast connected and then a hdmi to the tv.

Given these tvs have built in casting, what would be the best way to connect to get the highest quality result for both picture and sound using casting?

Currently everything is either streamed from a Laptop or chrome cast.

I'd just use the TV's Chromecast and use the TV's  ARC HDMI channel into your AVR , done

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