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Grace F9>>Andante 'E'>>Shelter 201? I'm confused.

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For years we (I) have been under the impression that the Andante 'E' cartridge is a derivative of the Grace F9, being Grace's attempt to enter the North American market under a different brand name.

 

Here is a pic of the Andante 'E':

 

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/jgUAAOSwVDRc5AZF/s-l1600.jpg

 

It doesn't really resemble the F9 but I suppose it doesn't have to if the innards are the same.

 

Now here is a pic of the Shelter 201 MM cartridge:

 

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nNQAAOSw9GVb93z7/s-l500.png

 

Tell me these two carts are not identical......

 

I am now confused. Some have said over the years that the Andante was made by Sumiko but they were just the Nth American distributor for this 'rebadged' F9>>Andante 'E'. Have Sumiko and Shelter or Grace and Shelter (I doubt it) ever had a relationship? Because that Shelter 201 body is identical to the Andante 'E'.....

 

I know it is hard to find definitive info on Grace and even harder on Andante but there appears to be some connection between Grace/Andante and Shelter judging by that shared cartridge body design.  Adding to this confusion, Shelter started in 1986, a few years after the the Andante 'E' finished (and after the F9 was replaced by the F14) but before Grace finished up in the early 90's. Maybe it is just a shared body design that Shelter gained and used after the finish of the Andante 'E'. I know this is probably clutching at straws but can anyone enlighten me on this situation?

 

I'm not holding my breath!😄

 

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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HugePossibleBarasingha-small.gif

 

As I suspected......this thread is tumbleweed territory.🤣

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19 hours ago, stevoz said:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HugePossibleBarasingha-small.gifYeah.

But some bodies are used by different companies every now and then. A&R/Garrott and Audio Technica/Acoustic Signature for example.

 

As I suspected......this thread is tumbleweed territory.🤣

 

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Its a myth, dont believe everything you read on the internet.

I have both a f9 and Andante 'E' , there is no similarities. The Andante is same as the sumiko pearl ADCOM gfc-1e, ANDANTE cartridge models "E" & "S"
CORAL 555-S series cartridges,  666EX
CORAL S555-S stylus  & "Pearl"and others. Think they just used a generic cart and rebranded, maybe have different sylus profiles. There is nothing else like the f9.

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6 hours ago, awty said:

Its a myth, dont believe everything you read on the internet.

I have both a f9 and Andante 'E' , there is no similarities. The Andante is same as the sumiko pearl ADCOM gfc-1e, ANDANTE cartridge models "E" & "S"
CORAL 555-S series cartridges,  666EX
CORAL S555-S stylus  & "Pearl"and others. Think they just used a generic cart and rebranded, maybe have different sylus profiles. There is nothing else like the f9.

Indeed all those models look identical. I think I will have to stop believing that the Andante 'E' is a rebadged F9....it does appear to be a myth.....but a myth that many still believe.

This is what lead me to believe: http://audiotools.com/en_dead_sf.html#grace

 

This bit: "Their (shinigawa musen) products also appeared under the Andante trademark in the late 70's and early 80's but it's unclear if they owned that trademark." I think Sumiko at least owned that trademark. Are Audiotools wrong then? Maybe.....

 

Re: 'there is nothing else like the F9'.....in fact, there is better. The Grace Level II. I have two of them.....👌😁

 

NB: Just stirring......I realise you probably just meant 'body design wise'.......👍

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