WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) SOLD Item: Koetsu Onyx MC Cartridge Location: Melbourne, Vic Price: $3500.00 Item Condition: Good Reason for selling: Upgraded Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, Paypal, COD Only Extra Info: This is an original Sugano cartridge. It was rebuilt in October 2016 by Koetsu. Refer the Certificate in the photo. The rebuild resulted in the cartridge sounding as good as new. It was many years after I bought this cartridge before I had to retip. These rebuilds will last many years. If you are concerned about the price of rebuilds, best not to buy a Koetsu. I would not bother having an OEM retip this cartridge. Went down that path, a waste of money in the long term. Edit: This is where I sent it for rebuild and details of the rebuild. http://koetsusea.com/Why-Rebuild-a-Koetsu-.php Photos: Edited October 22, 2019 by GroovyGuru 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhunter Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Hi would u have an estimate of hours played since retipped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 About 500hrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, denimhunter said: Hi would u have an estimate of hours played since retipped? About 500hrs Edited October 21, 2019 by GroovyGuru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 What did they do in the "rebuild"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Citroen said: What did they do in the "rebuild"? It is my understanding that Koetsu replace everything, rather than simple put on a new stylus. Which means they put in a new motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Thanks. Can you confirm that the rebuild only kept the body and all other components are new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Citroen said: Thanks. Can you confirm that the rebuild only kept the body and all other components are new? No. I'm not about to open the cartridge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Sorry, don't expect you to do that! But can you get more info from Koetsu as to exactly what they did? Cheers Cliff Edited October 21, 2019 by Citroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Citroen said: Thanks. Can you confirm that the rebuild only kept the body and all other components are new? Cliff. When a Koetsu is sent for rebuilding, all the elements in the cartridge are replaced - only the cartridge body is retained. http://koetsusea.com/Why-Rebuild-a-Koetsu-.php Edited October 21, 2019 by metal beat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palexsia Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) They keep old body only . Everything is new , and you won’t have the same sound of your old cartridge , that happened to me . Edited October 21, 2019 by palexsia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanatic Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Absolute steal. I have heard this first hand on Peters system and it was the nicest midrange I’ve ever heard. I bet it’s sold within 24 hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenote122 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 What did they charge for the rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Bluenote122 said: What did they charge for the rebuild? $2500 is case you are thinking of rebuilding your Koetsu to as new standard. 4 hours ago, palexsia said: They keep old body only . Everything is new , and you won’t have the same sound of your old cartridge , that happened to me . This did not happen to me. Mine was as good as new. I believe when the sons first took over the business they had teething problems with learning the trade. I think they have it under control now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skies2clear Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) So where does one send his Koetsu to get rebuilt now? Any chance of posting another photo or 2 of the cartridge to show it a bit clearer? Thanks Edited October 21, 2019 by skies2clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweaky Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I used to have one of the original Onyx Koestu's in the 80's. Apart from the stylus eventually wearing out and needing replacing, the suspension eventually fails as well [the rubber perishing is/was the usual culprit ]. As you can imagine, the parts are extremely delicate/fragile with these cartridges, so they came to the conclusion long ago that any cartridge sent in for a retip might as well be rebuilt. Any prospective purchaser should be aware of the needed clearance available on the arm you intend to mount it on, I forgot just what it is, but it won't fit on all arms without some sort of spacers. You could probably find that info out at the Vinyl Engine website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, skies2clear said: So where does one send his Koetsu to get rebuilt now? Any chance of posting another photo or 2 of the cartridge to show it a bit clearer? Thanks I sent it to Melvin Ang in Singapore for rebuild: http://koetsusea.com/Why-Rebuild-a-Koetsu-.php I'm working on getting a better photo and will put it up if it adds anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skies2clear Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Thanks, that would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Tweaky said: I used to have one of the original Onyx Koestu's in the 80's. Apart from the stylus eventually wearing out and needing replacing, the suspension eventually fails as well [the rubber perishing is/was the usual culprit ]. As you can imagine, the parts are extremely delicate/fragile with these cartridges, so they came to the conclusion long ago that any cartridge sent in for a retip might as well be rebuilt. Any prospective purchaser should be aware of the needed clearance available on the arm you intend to mount it on, I forgot just what it is, but it won't fit on all arms without some sort of spacers. You could probably find that info out at the Vinyl Engine website. You'll only need spacers if your tonearm does not have adjustable VTA. Most tonearms will accommodate a Koetsu. I think the Rega arms uses spacers for VTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweaky Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I meant spacers from the arm base, not all had enough range in the pillar height depending on how thick the TT platter is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) I am currently considering an offer. If you are serious, make an offer within the next 24hrs. It will be sold to the best offer made over the next 24hrs. My advice to those wanting to prolong the life of expensive cartridges is use Slylast stylus preservative. Use sparingly, not with a paint roller, and a stylus will last many years. I use it habitually and one bottle lasts decades. Edited October 22, 2019 by GroovyGuru 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skies2clear Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Agree about StyLast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 I currently have 2 offers. I will inform you if you have the highest offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 This cartridge will be sold at 6 PM AEDT today unless a better offer is received. I will not post the amount of the best offer because I'm not interested in increments of $1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Sold pending payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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