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Wich speakers would you choose Harbeth compact 7 or Leneham ml2

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As per title and considering that i have the required amplification as far as power is concerned.Speakers are about 3 meters away in a equidistant triangle,abour 50 cm from back and side walls.Music is mostly  classical with a bit of blues and jazz at times

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Guest Muon N'

Best you state what all the equipment is, or at the very least the amplification.

 

Lenehan speakers will perform at a level of the chain feeding them, better the chain of components the better performance.....they are very good! as for Harbeth speakers i have never heard any.

 

Edit: Oh, welcome :)

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Let me explain, i have two systems one that comprises of Audionote an/j that is a very unlikely match with a consonance pre in to a ??? Cinenova grande three channel 300 watt@8 ohm 600 at 4 ohm monster.

My other system is Dynaudio focus 140 run by a Sansui au g99x 170watt integrated.Swaping the speakers with rhe other amp does absolutely not work.I know Audionote  doesn't  need  that sort of power and Dynadius should work better  with rhe more powerful  Cinenova Grande  but it doesn't. Afer many years i just realised that sinergy IS the most important factor.Do not discount rhe Sansui, when i had it serviced by Clarke audio (Dallas) i was told that it's  tha same circuit as a Vitus amplifier. 

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You have some nice kit :)

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i had more esoteric(expensive) staff but that didn't sound proportionally better.Two components i regret selling,speakers Snell type a mk3 and power amp Vac renaissance 70/70 power amp.

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To answer the specific question in the thread title.

 

The Lenehan speakers (any day of the week ).

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hi rantan,thanks for your answer.Have you heard both,in your opinion ,what makes one better then the other?

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rantan you give such a categoric answer ,is there such a clear superiority?thanks

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17 minutes ago, 7502dan said:

hi rantan,thanks for your answer.Have you heard both,in your opinion ,what makes one better then the other?

Hi Dan.

Happy to help mate.

 

I have definitely heard both and at quite some duration as well.

Being 100% frank and honest, neither are favourites of mine, but I have deep respect for what Mike Lenehan does in the industry. His work ethic, design intelligence and overall product quality is second to none. I could certainly live with a pair but they wouldn't be in my short list if I was buying.

 

As regards the Harbeth, I just don't get it. I think I am one of a very few people in the known universe who are not enraptured by Harbeth speakers. I find them bland, boring.lifeless and lacking in any macro/micro dynamic prowess. I have tried most of their range and I just cannot elicit any emotional response when hearing them.

 

This will upset the fan people no doubt,  but for the asking price on any particular model Harbeth, I would prefer to spend the money almost anywhere else.

 

I think this is certainly definitive but the thread title invited such a response and I am never afraid to express an honest opinion, so I hope I don't require a flack jacket to protect myself from the Harbeth people.

 

I am just a pebble on the audio beach.

 

 

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5 hours ago, rantan said:

 

As regards the Harbeth, I just don't get it. I think I am one of a very few people in the known universe who are not enraptured by Harbeth speakers. I find them bland, boring.lifeless and lacking in any macro/micro dynamic prowess. I have tried most of their range and I just cannot elicit any emotional response when hearing them.

 

While I have not heard the top end Harbeth’s I have heard the HL5’s and I walked away after about an hour wondering what all the fuss was about.

 

Cheers Terry

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Since you asked, and having heard a Couple of Models both Brands I'd choose neither on what I have heard. Any particular reason you've narrowed it down to those 2? Personally, I think you can do a lot better, there's plenty of different options. Realise though we are generally listening for different sounds, presentation, feel etc. and you may love one or both of these. Audition is always best. Harbeth's should be no issue, hopefully you can arrange an audition of Lenehans somehow.

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This is all subjective impressions, so may not apply to you.

I have owned both, well ML ref 1 not ML2. 

Generally speaking, both are great speakers and I strongly preferred the Harbeth. Both have there fan boys.

 

Both speakers brands have good local support if buying new. From what I have seen the Lenehan speakers dont hold their price as well as the Harbeths in the second hand market.

 

If your into specs and measurements - the Harbeths perform very well. They have a more traditional appearance whereas all the Lenehan speakers I have seen have an exceptionally beautiful modern finish.

 

Both speakers seem to really capture people differently. Hearing them may be key - but they are both so good if you only hear one you will want it. If you own Dynaudio in another system - Harbeth may provide more of an "alternative" sound, particularly with tubes.

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I'd lean towards the ML2.  :)

 

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Listen to both and then decide,.

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Like AudioGeek - I've been fortunate enough to own both (ML1 Ref's and P3ESR SE's). They are both voiced differently with the Lenehans the more forward of the two. Given you're talking about a system chain containing tubes I'd strongly encourage listening to both in your system, however if I were to over-simplify things I'd make the following statements:

 

Lenehan:

- Better extension across both ends i.e. High's seem to be better resolved and bass presented itself tighter and better defined.

- Midrange came across a touch lean

- Exceptional imagining

 

Harbeth

- A more textured and palpable midrange

- Highs were smoother others may call it rolled off

- Bass was just as textured and nuanced as the Lenehans with materially less impact

 

If I listened to a lot of blues and jazz I'd got for the Harbeths, along with a comfortable chair, crackling fire and a well aged single malt.

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OP definitely highly recommend to listen to the speakers you desire. Many people have recommended speakers to me in my price bracket and rave how good they are over another but these recommendations didnt always suit my taste.

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Guest Muon N'

Yes, definitely audition both in your set up, as they will both present differently in every different set up.

Someone said mids are lean with ML-1's, in my system that couldn't be further form how they present. In fact nothing about them is lean in my setup.

So, yeah, audition both speakers and you will know what ones suit your system... as it stands now! at this time.

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Ok,so i decided to update my amp to a devialet 120 expert instead of changing the speakers. I'll see what the Devialet does with my my current speakers .Do you think that 100watts would  be enough to drive my Dynaudio focus 140 properly?Anyway, thanks to everyone for your advice regarding wich speakers ml2 or Harbeth.

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Hi Dan.
Happy to help mate.
 
I have definitely heard both and at quite some duration as well.
Being 100% frank and honest, neither are favourites of mine, but I have deep respect for what Mike Lenehan does in the industry.
 
 

@Rantan
Would love to hear what would be on your short list for a speaker in this size and price bracket?

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4 hours ago, 7502dan said:

Ok,so i decided to update my amp to a devialet 120 expert instead of changing the speakers. I'll see what the Devialet does with my my current speakers .Do you think that 100watts would  be enough to drive my Dynaudio focus 140 properly?Anyway, thanks to everyone for your advice regarding wich speakers ml2 or Harbeth.

I would think so, according to stereophile they measured 86.1db and only dropped to 4ohms at 170Hz but stayed above 6ohms through much of the mids and treble.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/dynaudio-focus-140-loudspeaker-measurements

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26 minutes ago, Topman_Chief said:


@Rantan
Would love to hear what would be on your short list for a speaker in this size and price bracket?

One really nice speaker I would try is the Hulgich Audio Serenade. I heard them a while back and they were impressive and I think now there is a new and improved version.

I am not sure of the exact pricing but it would be in the same price point area as the Lenehans and the Harbeth.

Other than that there are many great designs which you could evaluate at the upcoming SNA show in your home town( including the Hulgich speakers) so my advice would be to rock up there and rock on.B)

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13 hours ago, rantan said:

Other than that there are many great designs which you could evaluate at the upcoming SNA show in your home town( including the Hulgich speakers) so my advice would be to rock up there and rock on.B)

Unfortunately Hulgich won't be at this year's show.

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