hugo_wilco Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just saw this on their website http://www.rega.co.uk/planar-10.html 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubularbells Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Where do I sign? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondes Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Wow, really clean design. Interesting has there been any reviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondes Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 www.whathifi.com/amp/news/rega-promises-highest-level-of-performance-yet-with-planar-10-turntable Uk pricing with the alpheta 3 fitted 4499 pounds ($8100 aud) tonearm is New RB3000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas HiFi Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Nice . The new P8 is several notches up in performance over the RP8.... i hope the new P10 is also a step up from the RP10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) I can bet you that is the same deck as the P3 just with a better arm and a ceramic platter. The basic design of the sub-platter drive and their standard bearing is still sub-optimal - it always was. But you just have to pay 8K ozzy pezos for it. Rega - the history of selling the same turntable over and over again and beating inflation along the way by not changing your basic design for 46 years. Edited September 11, 2019 by Decky 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.E. Pennypacker Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Decky said: I can bet you that is the same deck as the P3 just with a better arm and a ceramic platter. The basic design of the sub-platter drive the bearing is still sub-optimal - it always was. But you just have to pay 8K ozzy pezos for it. Rega - the history of selling the same turntable over and over again and beating inflation along the way by not changing your basic design for 46 years. Do you have shares in Linn, Project etc? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I cannot confirm or deny that.... BUT - from a DIY perspective I would like to combine higher end Project decks and Rega arms, which in itself gets you into VPI universe (sort of). On the other hand, we are talking serious money here that starts knocking on Brinkmann doors and P10 cannot come close to that level of engineering and technology. From that perspective, I just see those upmarket Regas as simply overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joz Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 20 minutes ago, Decky said: I cannot confirm or deny that.... BUT - from a DIY perspective I would like to combine higher end Project decks and Rega arms, which in itself gets you into VPI universe (sort of). On the other hand, we are talking serious money here that starts knocking on Brinkmann doors and P10 cannot come close to that level of engineering and technology. From that perspective, I just see those upmarket Regas as simply overpriced. Which combo particularly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, joz said: Which combo particularly? Don't know - haven't look into specifics of Rega arms lately, but Project RPM 9 is a very nice starting point for upgrades. After that just working out the basics - central distance, interface, VTA adjustment and alignment. WHatever fits the budget - maybe starting with RB330 and applying all the available mods would be a good start. All of that would still fit well under $3K. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippi Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 18 hours ago, hugo_wilco said: Just saw this on their website http://www.rega.co.uk/planar-10.html what the fruitloops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 19 hours ago, Tubularbells said: Where do I sign? I have hidden your pen because.................... 14 hours ago, Demondes said: Uk pricing with the alpheta 3 fitted 4499 pounds ($8100 aud) Which means it will most likely sell for at least $9K+ here and when you get to that spend level there are many superior alternatives to a Rega. No doubt the UK audio publications will go into gyro fan person mode over it and YES, I have not heard it myself, but IMNSHO, Rega decks do not compete or compare well in that price area. I have no doubts it will be a decent 'table and I respect Rega as a brand, but this is evolution of a decades old design with a very low wow factor once the initial appeal wears off and you begin to consider what you can buy for $9-10K Just consider for a moment the drool worthy alternatives and get back to me if you still want the Rega. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulinap Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Decky said: I can bet you that is the same deck as the P3 just with a better arm and a ceramic platter. The basic design of the sub-platter drive and their standard bearing is still sub-optimal - it always was. But you just have to pay 8K ozzy pezos for it. Rega - the history of selling the same turntable over and over again and beating inflation along the way by not changing your basic design for 46 years. Finally someone had the guts to say what I've been thinking for years.....for the money there are much...much...better TTs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EwanS Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 This has made me curious. Could you suggest one or more superior alternative table , arm and cartridge set ups for $8,500 so I can broaden my research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) The Rega combination will cost North of $9K when it gets here so how about this? https://krispyaudio.com.au/products/vpi-prime-turntable.html Then add this: https://krispyaudio.com.au/products/benz-micro-glider-cartridge.html This is just a first thought and I am sure others will have more suggestions Edited September 12, 2019 by rantan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Decky Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 2 hours ago, EwanS said: This has made me curious. Could you suggest one or more superior alternative table , arm and cartridge set ups for $8,500 so I can broaden my research? https://www.stereophile.com/content/brinkmann-audio-bardo-turntable Domestic price conversion will be very steep, but it is a very unique piece of technology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafe67 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Whatever happened to their next model t/t , they were supposed to be going to do , had a name rather than a number - the naroid, naraoid or something. FTR I didn’t think think the rp6 was that great big jump over my early 90,s planar 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill3 Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Decky said: https://www.stereophile.com/content/brinkmann-audio-bardo-turntable Domestic price conversion will be very steep, but it is a very unique piece of technology. Hows that a comparison ? a Brinkmann Bardo with matching tonearm and cartridge is $20K Edited September 12, 2019 by Chill3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Misterioso Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Chill3 said: How that a comparison ? a Brinkmann Bardo with matching tonearm and cary is $20K The local distributor also sells the Bardo with a Jelco tonearm. When I bought mine, it was the same price as the RP10, I auditioned both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magical Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 On 11/09/2019 at 5:25 AM, Decky said: I can bet you that is the same deck as the P3 just with a better arm and a ceramic platter. The basic design of the sub-platter drive and their standard bearing is still sub-optimal - it always was. But you just have to pay 8K ozzy pezos for it. Rega - the history of selling the same turntable over and over again and beating inflation along the way by not changing your basic design for 46 years. Wow,this is so wrong for so many reasons. Saying it's the same as the p3 (planar 3 to get it right) with a better arm & platter is ludicrus. The plinth material is completely different, and an very high tech foamed polymer material, external tuned power supply (it won't work perfectly with another p10, Ive tested this myself) with matched serial numbers so you don't mismatch. The arm is a different level (Rega arms are pretty damn good, I've Several SME, even a Dynovector, some Hadcocks etc). I have an old Planar 3, Linn LP12, and my favorite Gyrodec with a modified Rega arm. The bearing & subplatter assembly is beautifully done. I know the designer of the latest Rega (not Roy Gandy) and have been to the factory. Twice. Have you actually seen the P10? Rega recieved the European Metalurgical prize for the best one piece casting, and have since improved their casting system about eight years ago(so much for not changing design for 46 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, magical said: Wow,this is so wrong for so many reasons. Saying it's the same as the p3 (planar 3 to get it right) with a better arm & platter is ludicrus. The plinth material is completely different, and an very high tech foamed polymer material, external tuned power supply (it won't work perfectly with another p10, Ive tested this myself) with matched serial numbers so you don't mismatch. The arm is a different level (Rega arms are pretty damn good, I've Several SME, even a Dynovector, some Hadcocks etc). I have an old Planar 3, Linn LP12, and my favorite Gyrodec with a modified Rega arm. The bearing & subplatter assembly is beautifully done. I know the designer of the latest Rega (not Roy Gandy) and have been to the factory. Twice. Have you actually seen the P10? Rega recieved the European Metalurgical prize for the best one piece casting, and have since improved their casting system about eight years ago(so much for not changing design for 46 years. Words: - very high tech foamed polymer material - external tuned power supply don't mean anything, at least not to me. Also, statements like that sound like they are coming from Donald Trump's school of understanding the world - which makes me cringe every time, in addition to feeling an involuntary urge to vomit. Talking about castings - the best metallurgical casting (porosity-free and with uniform mechanical properties) does not automatically result in the best audio performance when used in a turntable. The fact they are using casting as a process (instead of playing with metal 3D printing that can optimise acoustic performance of the whole turntable) just nicely demonstrates their lack of R&D investment and forward looking. On the other hand, I am sure that their marketing department is working 24/7 to come up with more meaningless statements, like those that you used (probably just reading their brochure or paid online review). By saying what you quoted I did not want to kill your religious idol - there are some fundamental mechanical problems in designing Rega-like sub-platter mechanics (bearing and drive systems). Nothing to do with them or any other particular audio brand - more as an engineering approach and design principle. I just say that are turntables out there that do not have those problems and offer more for you buck. Your already mentioned Gyrodec being one of them, offering some very unique mechanical qualities found usually on much more expensive decks. I agree that their arms are good and offer some unique optimisation and modding approaches. Edited September 20, 2019 by Decky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magical Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Decky said: Words: - very high tech foamed polymer material - external tuned power supply don't mean anything, at least not to me. Also, statements like that sound like they are coming from Donald Trump's school of understanding the world - which makes me cringe every time, in addition to feeling an involuntary urge to vomit. Talking about castings - the best metallurgical casting (porosity-free and with uniform mechanical properties) does not automatically result in the best audio performance when used in a turntable. The fact they are using casting as a process (instead of playing with metal 3D printing that can optimise acoustic performance of the whole turntable) just nicely demonstrates their lack of R&D investment and forward looking. On the other hand, I am sure that their marketing department is working 24/7 to come up with more meaningless statements, like those that you used (probably just reading their brochure or paid online review). By saying what you quoted I did not want to kill your religious idol - there are some fundamental mechanical problems in designing Rega-like sub-platter mechanics (bearing and drive systems). Nothing to do with them or any other particular audio brand - more as an engineering approach and design principle. I just say that are turntables out there that do not have those problems and offer more for you buck. Your already mentioned Gyrodec being one of them, offering some very unique mechanical qualities found usually on much more expensive decks. I agree that their arms are good and offer some unique optimisation and modding approaches. I'd like you to hear, that despite you rant based on nothing, in their entire operation, Rega have never put up an add Or had printed a brochure. They are also unique in that when asked by Mag's for stock to do reviews their response has always been - go and buy them! I know manufacturers who when requested review models, recieved 60 pairs of speakers. I've been personally approached by a highly respected Australian reviewer, to sell from my home the excess units he's been given(cleatly to get a good review. This goes back to 6 spare plasma screen when a 42" was $6k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 12/09/2019 at 11:05 AM, EwanS said: This has made me curious. Could you suggest one or more superior alternative table , arm and cartridge set ups for $8,500 so I can broaden my research? I've been a Rega fan for quite a few years and actually was waiting for the replacement RP10, however my head was turned and I bought one of these instead: http://www.luxman.com/product/detail.php?id=25 Outstanding table, I'm very happy with it and the price is very fair compared to the Rega's. You also feel like you're actually getting something for your money I can't recommend the luxman highly enough. It's pretty much the polar opposite of the Rega though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) On 12/09/2019 at 11:05 AM, EwanS said: This has made me curious. Could you suggest one or more superior alternative table , arm and cartridge set ups for $8,500 so I can broaden my research? There's actually quite a few. I do get the appeal of the Rega but I'm also not sure on that dust cover. Call me old fashioned but I do like a cover I can use when actually using the player. Edited September 22, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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