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We are looking into a new vehicle for the Boss...    Her old 2003 Camry Sportivo that she bought brand new and still drives around has not had an issue at around 140K apart from replacing the gasket at 80K. This will be given to my daughter who got her license a month ago and to boast her confidence up we need to give her this car instead of looking at the 2nd hand market.

 

We are looking at:

 

Camry hybrid or 6 cylinder 

Mazda 3, 6 or CX3 or CX5 

any model Subaru.

 

Price up to under 38K drive away.  Not looking at fully issued options but the Skyactive turbo on the Mazda CX5 is an eye candy for me.   Wanna know any thoughts, experiences, on reliability issues, warranty claims, drivability in terms of road dynamics etc  

 

 

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If you intend to keep the car for nearly 20 years again I would go for the Camry, because i have a friend who owns 2 including a hybrid and he intends to keep both for 20 years and have possible 500k (like his previous cars)  on each and knowing how tight he is  with money he makes sure that his cars last and how much they will cost over that period.

 

The Mazda i have had two 3 series and a CX7 in the past and currently have a BT50, can’t fault any of them.But never kept them more than 4 years and high 100k. 

 

Subaru i see is just plane quirky but never owned one.

 

Wife currently has a Nissan X Trail which is 3 and half years old and just over 100k with no problems and would highly recommend it.Having owned 4 different Nissans with not one problem.

 

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The wife and I both have 13 year old mazda 3s, mine is the maxx sport manual and hers the SP23 auto, apart from servicing the only costs have been light bulbs (2) and new batteries at the 5 year point.

Great, reliable and comfortable cars.

Being 2006 they are a bit thirsty, mine does around 7.5 l/100km, Christine's is a lot worse at 12l/100km because it is non stardard with an engine tune, cold air intake, larger exhaust and on top of that has been lowered (she is a hoon). Goes well though.

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I'd look at vw golf as well. Have owned mine since new. Now at 220 thousand km.

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32 minutes ago, Addicted to music said:

replacing the gasket at 80K.

head gasket?      Something about Toyotas and me, but the couple we have had over the years all had head gasket problems.   I like Mazdas, but the most reliable I have had are Hyundai.    I would get an i30 again any day.  Only sold the last one to get something bigger to tow a van.

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16 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

head gasket?      Something about Toyotas and me, but the couple we have had over the years all had head gasket problems.   I like Mazdas, but the most reliable I have had are Hyundai.    I would get an i30 again any day.  Only sold the last one to get something bigger to tow a van.

Sounds like the gaskets they used don’t last forever,  we were quoted $750 and a few days In the workshop, because we were keeping the car we decided to go ahead with it...   we also had to get the front passenger side window replaced and Toyota won’t come to the party in replacing the tinting and it seems like a manufacturing error where I’ve seen many do the same on the exact window for that series Camry.     Might actually consider the Hyundai in that mix, but it’ll be her that makes the ultimate decision...

 

34 minutes ago, Batty said:

The wife and I both have 13 year old mazda 3s, mine is the maxx sport manual and hers the SP23 auto, apart from servicing the only costs have been light bulbs (2) and new batteries at the 5 year point.

Great, reliable and comfortable cars.

Being 2006 they are a bit thirsty, mine does around 7.5 l/100km, Christine's is a lot worse at 12l/100km because it is non stardard with an engine tune, cold air intake, larger exhaust and on top of that has been lowered (she is a hoon). Goes well though.

Mazda has a sale on atm, so we’ll see what’s on offer.....

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Kia or Hyundai?

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1 hour ago, niss_man said:

I'd look at vw golf as well. Have owned mine since new. Now at 220 thousand km.

VW Polo GTI is a lot of car for the money to consider. Would be close to what you  are looking to spend and don't be put of thinking Polo is small, they have grown a lot in size....... best of luck...:thumb:..... oh, and if you were ever to drive it.......😀

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A friend bought a CX5, a really impressive car.

Good on fuel and drives really nicely.

The comfort and finish is excellent, and for colour the Mazda Soul Red is probably one of the nicest colours out there.

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If you want substance over style then Subaru is the go. Engineering department has more say than marketing. Can be quirky and AWD does mean extra drivetrain friction so may not be as fuel efficient as others which are basically switched to AWD when required. 

 

CAVEAT I haven’t looked at any recently but we have had 7 Subies in the family with no major issues 

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The red Mazda color of the last 2 years is awesome though. I’m thinking of getting my bike custom painted with that red

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+500 for Mazda.

I have owned at least 5 Mazda vehicles over the years and I never had even one minor problem with any of them. They included a 929, Mazda 2&3. CX-5 and a 6MPS turbo.

 

I apologise to anybody who this may offend, but anything except Suburu. They were OK in the past but are now for grey cardigan hat wearers and are the equivalent of motorised Vallium, without the fun.

I traded my 150,000KM CX-5 earlier this year and it was just fantastic. I almost bought another, but in the end I went with a Kia Cerato GT 1.6 turbo with dual clutch transmission.

:party Woohoo!

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Another vote for Mazda 3.

 

My original one (2006) I sold to my neighbour and its still going strong with no issues.

 

I bought another new one in 2016 and its a great car, well built feels solid. I reckon they are good value.

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I've driven extensively in all three brands (+ Honda) and would be hard pressed to choose between them, except if one particularly matched my needs and preferences.

 

If I was interested in that market segment now I would certainly consider one of the Korean makes as well.

 

I say: drive 'em all and pick the one that the boss likes best.😀

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1 hour ago, rantan said:

dual clutch transmission.

That's turning up in all types of vehicles these days.  Drives like an auto, but really a dual clutch/gearbox manual operated automatically by the computer.  I like it actually.

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2 years ago I bought my first brand new car and my 3rd subi. It’s the Impreza 2.0i-s sedan and apart from being a little thirsty and a shade underpowered (for my foot, anyway) I love it to bits.

 

Of the ones I investigated seriously at the time, the Mazda’s design felt old/dated, the Hondas were fun but felt cheap by comparison, the Volkswagens were nice but much more exxy (and I wanted a sedan, plus I was a bit p!ssed at them for the dodgy exhaust tests) and I didn’t look at the Toyotas because the styling bores me (though I admit the new ones are nicer, or at least more interesting),

 

the Subi is fun to throw into corners, feels completely planted in any weather, has heaps of room, heaps of cool tech all for just over $30k (after a bit of haggling). 

 

Perfectly happy with my choice until they release a new wrx.

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20 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

That's turning up in all types of vehicles these days.  Drives like an auto, but really a dual clutch/gearbox manual operated automatically by the computer.  I like it actually.

It is really good and it doesn't have that holding-the engine -back feeling. There is an occasional jerky start off but it isn't frequent at all and once the car is on the move it is just superb.

IMVHO, Kia/Hyundai have done a better job on the dual clutch transmission than the Euro makers and they also don't have a seven year warranty.

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If you don’t at least test drive the Koreans, your doing yourself an injustice. 

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2 minutes ago, Sime V2 said:

If you don’t at least test drive the Koreans, your doing yourself an injustice. 

Could not agree more.

The Cerato GT wasn't even on my radar but when I tried it I was sold

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My last 3 cars have been Mazda’s. I had the last model 323, 2001 I think, for 8 years with no problems. I gave it to my parents who are still using it problem free.

 

We then bought the previous body shape Mazda 3. Had it for 3 years before it was written off in accident - my wife was t-boned at a set of lights on the drivers side door. She was badly shaken and bruised but escaped otherwise unharmed.

 

We then bought a Mazda 3 sp25 which we’ve now had for over 5 years with no real problems. We did have software glitch that caused the engine warning light to come on but a firmware update was all that was required. Of all the cars I’ve ever owned, this is my favourite.

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4 hours ago, aussievintage said:

That's turning up in all types of vehicles these days.  Drives like an auto, but really a dual clutch/gearbox manual operated automatically by the computer.  I like it actually.

Just don’t trust the stuff that’s from Europe,  the Ford Mondeo, Ford Ranger, well all Ford are a piece of junk,  they clap and vibrate the vehicle.  They throw transmission errors and you have to manually changed the gears in sports mode, note it’s a auto transmission.  One colleague has had 4 transmission change in one Ranger and 2 in his current Ranger, the other day he broke down on a Sunday morning while taking the kids for soccer training, this time it was a crank sensor!   My original 2011 Mondeo did 230k before it was quoted $11500 to have the transmission replaced,  fleet wrote it off and I’m currently driving an ex colleagues Mondeo with exactly the same issues....  no offence to anyone but even if they are giving them away I will personally stay away from any European brand no matter how good the value is,  one of my pet hates is working on stuff designed in Europe,  they really have no idea and the modifications I do to keep them running!   F@rk me!   No wonder I have a job!  I’ve known people who have driven VW out of the showroom, only to be without a vehicle after a few hours for the next 3 weeks because of a transmission issue or an electronics faults.....and that’s just the start for more issues to come!  

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What do you guys think of CVT?  I’ve notice this on the higher end of the range of some series.    I drove a Mitsubishi Outlander with 7 seats that had CVT...  it was comfortable without the hash gear changes,  somehow it took a long time and you need to plant that foot down to get anywhere.   Not sure about reliability but I’ve seen many YouTube videos on the different steel belt that are used....

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Ive owned 4 Kia’s to this point, from the bottom and the top of the range. Only then after sitting in these cars for as long as I have, it’s then you realize the difference between Kia and Mazda. Needless to say, Kia is a better build. 

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16 minutes ago, Sime V2 said:

Ive owned 4 Kia’s to this point, from the bottom and the top of the range. Only then after sitting in these cars for as long as I have, it’s then you realize the difference between Kia and Mazda. Needless to say, Kia is a better build. 

I had a perception at the time that the Korean makes had very poor resale. Plus a friend of mine’s optoma’s engine seized up after about 50,000 ks and he had trouble getting them to honour the warranty which made me wary. Legitimate concerns or unconscious bias? Who knows? We don’t make these decisions rationally anyway

 

21 minutes ago, Addicted to music said:

What do you guys think of CVT?  I’ve notice this on the higher end of the range of some series.    I drove a Mitsubishi Outlander with 7 seats that had CVT...  it was comfortable without the hash gear changes,  somehow it took a long time and you need to plant that foot down to get anywhere.   Not sure about reliability but I’ve seen many YouTube videos on the different steel belt that are used....

In my research, lots of people said the CVT was horrible. I’ve never had a problem with it. It’s very smooth and always seems to know what gear it should be in, to the point where, in two years, I’ve never used the flappy paddle things. I think people are weirded out by the fact that it doesn’t have the traditional rising pitch gear sound. I honestly couldn’t give a sh!t about that. :) 

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