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Item: Gieseler Groß DAC (USB Only)
Location: South Yarra, Melbourne
Price: $1550 (plus postage if necessary)
Item Condition: Excellent
Reason for selling: Bought Gieseler Fein II DAC
Payment Method: Cash, Bank Transfer, PayPal
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Last week when a Fein II DAC (new TOTL DAC) became available I got trigger happy and snapped it up. If you've ever used one of Clay Gieseler's DAC's before then you know when he describes a product as his benchmark DAC, then you know it is truly an excellent sounding product. Until last year the Groß DAC was Clay's top DAC. Before I upgraded to the Groß I was using an iFi iDSD Micro. When I made the change what I most noticed was how much 'more natural' or less digital the sound was, while detail retrieval extended throughout the entire frequency range.

 

The unit has been 'babied' since it was purchased in November 2017 and had it's firmware chip and software updated in March 2018. The internal are set for XLR output but can be configured for RCA output (to resolve ground loop/hum issues). Included are the DAC, standard power supply, remote control (which never left it's packaging), and I can provide the user manual and invoice (PDF).


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Love mine and would never let it go.. unless I upgrade to another of Clay's DACs but the GroB is so very good that I'm in no hurry.  This has the original face plate too.

 

GLWTS great buying here :thumb:

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55 minutes ago, lemarquis said:

Love mine and would never let it go.. unless I upgrade to another of Clay's DACs but the GroB is so very good that I'm in no hurry.  This has the original face plate too.

 

GLWTS great buying here :thumb:

Likewise. If you grab the Gold  Tunes PSU you will have a great sounding Dac. I won’t be selling mine for a long time. 

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how would you describe the sound difference between the gross and fein cheers

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So far I've only done a little bit of listening, but the most clear difference to me echoes one thing that Clay said in his comparison (from his March 16 post in the Fein II DAC Owner's Thread): "Initially I thought the Gross was fuller in the bottom end but with careful listening I think it was a looser bass without the control/tightness the Fein II had." My thoughts were quite simililar in that initially I did think the bass from the Fein II was less thick than that from the Groß, but I think that its texture in comparison is simply more controlled/focused. I'll need to do a lot more listening to be confident saying that.

 

I'm actually about to install an updated firmware chip into the DAC. And also evaluating whether the 'enhanced' Kraftwerk Gold Tune PSU I've got makes any difference (Clay initially thought it wouldn't from his evaluation, but remembered that the 'ripple suppression circuitry' which is in the 'enhanced Kraftwerk Gold Tune' is only implemented in the 3-output version of the Fein II, which he used for his evaluation of the Kraftwerk/Fein II combination, so that my unit being a USB only version may benefit from the enhanced Gold Tune PSU). Then I've got to figure out whether I should sell off an iFi iUSB 3.0/Gieseler LPSU combo since I've already got a PS Audio LANRover/Gieseler LPSU combo as well as an Uptone ISO Regen/Gieseler LPSU combo all feeding into the DAC as well....!

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lol... complicated. clay said you can change the dac filter on the fein. super slow was a bit like a loudness button if the bass is to removed. 

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I was evaluating from playing DSD files, where no filter is involved I believe.

 

*with the exception of the 50k/150k filter. The standard PCM filters are not involved.

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