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I am interested in purchasing a pair of Dynaudio Contour 30's but have never owned 4 ohm speakers and I must admit to being a little concerned about pairing them with a capable amplifier. A dealer has suggested powering the speakers with a Musical Fidelity M6si. The amp is powerful enough (on paper) but it is priced at less than half that of the Dynaudio's. I am going for an audition tomorrow and while I would love to spend less on amplification, I am reluctant to do so at the expense of sound quality or, perhaps more importantly the longevity of my equipment. I would hate to blow these 4 ohm speakers with an amp that is not fit for the task. 

Thanks for reading, and an even bigger thanks for any replies.

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I believe the better the pre,power and source The better the sound thru any speakers.buy the best you can afford. Gary the music monster 🎶

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The Dynaudio 30 aren’t such mega behemoth speakers that you need to worry about, instead fairly simple 2.5 way three driver design in a conventional box design sense so most real world amps with enough will do.

 

MF info 

Internal build the MF looks light on, howabout something like a Yamaha AS2100 with great reviews and heavier internal build quality from appearances if it means anything.

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Note the sizable minority in that thread suggesting closer to an equal spend on Amp and Speakers. 

Somewhere in that range seems right - ie Amp valued somewhere over 1/2 the cost of the speakers.
In my opinion it is a mistake to spend less - the Amp is more important than many realize.

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1 hour ago, Janjuc said:

Hi Audioshoppin,

 

Have a look here,   https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ratios-of-spending-for-a-sound-system.662854/

 

Most suggest the following breakdown for a system, 50% speakers. 20% amplification. 20% source. 10% cables, power other accessories.

 

JJ

Thanks for the link. Interesting reading indeed.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding - as they say. I will be hearing the Dyno's paired with the Music Fidelity amp tomorrow and will happily report my opinion on this here thread for those interested... My main concern is not so much how the combination will sound, as this can be easily deduced, rather it all boils down to the potential of blowing my speakers on an amp that may not be equipepped to handle the load of an $ 11,000 4 ohm speaker.

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51 minutes ago, n0bleINtP said:

Note the sizable minority in that thread suggesting closer to an equal spend on Amp and Speakers. 

Somewhere in that range seems right - ie Amp valued somewhere over 1/2 the cost of the speakers.
In my opinion it is a mistake to spend less - the Amp is more important than many realize.

Indeed. I can spend more but the temptation to spend less remains. Another amplifier I have on my radar is the electrocompaniet ECI 6D. This amp will add a couple of thousand dollars to the price though, but if the Music Fidelity does the same or similar job for less...

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4 minutes ago, Audioshoppin said:

. My main concern is not so much how the combination will sound, as this can be easily deduced, rather it all boils down to the potential of blowing my speakers on an amp that may not be equipepped to handle the load of an $ 11,000 4 ohm speaker.

 

The potential of speaker damage due to a 4 ohm load for a MF M500i is zero. THis amplifier will drive just about any speaker made to its full potential. I have to admit to being shocked that you would even have a shred of doubt.

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Once I started spending more on the amps than the speakers my systems went to a whole new level.  Most systems I hear these days are average at best, mostly because the amplification is grossly inadequate.    

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56 minutes ago, Al.M said:

The Dynaudio 30 aren’t such mega behemoth speakers that you need to worry about, instead fairly simple 2.5 way three driver design in a conventional box design sense so most real world amps with enough will do.

 

MF info 

Internal build the MF looks light on, howabout something like a Yamaha AS2100 with great reviews and heavier internal build quality from appearances if it means anything.

C38736A7-DE62-4972-897C-C5692294BF5B.jpeg

 

Just now, rantan said:

 

The potential of speaker damage due to a 4 ohm load for a MF M500i is zero. THis amplifier will drive just about any speaker made to its full potential. I have to admit to being shocked that you would even have a shred of doubt.

Thanks for the reply but the amp in question is not the Musical Fidelity M500i, rather it is the M6si. 

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Most decent amps will handle a 4 ohm load
If the PS is fat enough then all is safe
If the amp can't handle the higher current then it will be obvious as the power tranny will get hot
Remember as the load resistance goes down the amp wants to deliver more current
If the PS can't supply it just heats up and even less current can be drawn
It will sound terrible

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Just now, Audioshoppin said:

 

Thanks for the reply but the amp in question is not the Musical Fidelity M500i, rather it is the M6si. 

Ok apologies for that . However the M6si wil also drive the Dyns in its sleep. A 4 ohm impedance is not big deal.

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8 minutes ago, Peter_F said:

Once I started spending more on the amps than the speakers my systems went to a whole new level.  Most systems I hear these days are average at best, mostly because the amplification is grossly inadequate.    

I could not agree more Pete.

 

This is a result of the speaker first philosophy, which is just plain wrong.

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3 hours ago, Audioshoppin said:

I am interested in purchasing a pair of Dynaudio Contour 30's but have never owned 4 ohm speakers and I must admit to being a little concerned about pairing them with a capable amplifier. A dealer has suggested powering the speakers with a Musical Fidelity M6si. The amp is powerful enough (on paper) but it is priced at less than half that of the Dynaudio's. I am going for an audition tomorrow and while I would love to spend less on amplification, I am reluctant to do so at the expense of sound quality or, perhaps more importantly the longevity of my equipment. I would hate to blow these 4 ohm speakers with an amp that is not fit for the task. 

Thanks for reading, and an even bigger thanks for any replies.

You will have no issues driving .... at all ...

 

the design is just an an iteration of original a5 integrated. Something I’ve used to drive some 22k speakers. Also heard some b&w 802Ds they drove pretty well. Can always do better... eh their pre pwr version or for matter if want a bargain the next model integrated up in the m6500i that’s in the classifieds at only $3300 is half price or less it retails at.

 

these are not light on amps. Conservatively rated given power claims and power supply. Gutsy refined, clean and clear doing great in sound stage clarity and across the freq range ...

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Try to compare a few different amps when you go in. Good stores will be happy to do this for you. 

 

Like a few above, my experience has been that you need to find an amp that runs the speakers to their potential and a general rule is this is more expensive but not always. 

 

I used to install far greater amps on speakers to see their full potential then go down in amps from there. Only then do you know if you're missing a lot or a little. 

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Just now, rantan said:

I could not agree more Pete.

 

This is a result of the speaker first philosophy, which is just plain wrong.

Surely the speaker, being the only component you actually hear must come first? I admit I am not technically minded when it comes to Hifi, I am just a bloke who loves his music so I may be wrong, but if I am I'd be interested to know why (preferably in laymans terms)

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