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Hello all,

 

Looking for some advice on upgrading my centre speaker.

 

My current very basic setup consists of -

 

Onkyo 676

Yamaha NS-50F(Not too bad for their duties)

Yamaha NS-C55(Needs upgrading badly)

Yamaha NS-E56(Fine for what they do)

YST-SW216(Getting upgraded to SVS PB2000)

 

It is used for movies and games pretty much exclusively.

 

I have another 2.1 setup for music duties.

 

I would like to get a centre speaker that is much more powerful and will last a while, maybe even seeing upgraded floorstanders in it's lifetime with me.

 

Not really sure where to start and am open to second hand gear of course.

 

Thank you for your time in advance.

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Ideally, the centre speaker should be same brand and series as left and right speakers.  But if you can timbre match (i.e. sound the same) the centre to the left and right speakers, it can work.   The cat @betty boop  has better experience than myself doing this.

 

By the way, what is budget?

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Thanks for the reply Snoopy8.

 

Yes I realise the centre should be matching but that's not feasible with my lowly budget. I'll need to get one before I upgrade the FL+FR.

 

I'm looking at some Ascension/Adelaide speakers for the FL+FR when I have the funds.

 

Maybe I should just go speak to Edward.

 

Budget for the centre ~$1000.

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2 minutes ago, BIG DWIFTER said:

Budget for the centre ~$1000.

Be VERY surprised if as per snoopy you cannot fit a same brand and series centre as your mains :)

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Hi betty boop and thanks for the response.

 

I do already have the matching series centre.

 

It's so quiet(underpowered), directional, muted and just nowhere near capable of keeping up with the rest of the system in any way. You have to sit directly in front of it for the voices to be loud enough. Adjusting levels on the receiver doesn't help.

 

The small drivers power handling just isn't up to it.

 

I do like the Yamaha sound but to get a decent Yamaha centre is very expensive.

 

As mentioned I won't be buying Yamaha speakers in the future for floorstanders.

 

SVS, PSA or Ascension most likely.

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Have you tried bumping up the sound level for the centre speaker?

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Yes I have, It seems to me it's the driver size.

 

It just can't do mid range voices well enough.

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OK, just wanted to check.

 

To be honest, I suspect the real issue is the very basic room equalisation in your Onkyo AVR. 

 

Other factors that may be in play are:

  1. Too many hard surfaces in the room causing a lot of "slap echo". This is very common in rooms with hard flooring. If you clap your hands do you get a ringing effect afterwards? A thick rug may help.
  2. Seating against back wall - you get sound reflected off the back wall that is out of time with the direct sound. Try moving the seating a few feet off the wall.

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The Onkyo seems to do just as good a job as the Yamaha I have in terms of room correction. Of course it could be better, it is a cheaper AVR. Atmos soundtracks are amazing though.

 

1. This is an issue where it is setup at the moment. The room is huge, it has hard surfaces and an angled roof which ruins the overhead Atmos.

 

It used to be setup in a smaller room with softwood floors, soft curtains and low roof.

The issue was there back then although not as bad.

 

2. Seating is not against a wall. It is ~3 metres from the back wall.

 

The subwoofer needs to be turned up close to maximum to get any real punch too, although that is being upgraded as we speak.

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42 minutes ago, BIG DWIFTER said:

Hi betty boop and thanks for the response.

 

I do already have the matching series centre.

 

It's so quiet(underpowered), directional, muted and just nowhere near capable of keeping up with the rest of the system in any way. You have to sit directly in front of it for the voices to be loud enough. Adjusting levels on the receiver doesn't help.

 

The small drivers power handling just isn't up to it.

 

I do like the Yamaha sound but to get a decent Yamaha centre is very expensive.

 

As mentioned I won't be buying Yamaha speakers in the future for floorstanders.

 

SVS, PSA or Ascension most likely.

Understand, while matching is good. A better centre is a better centre I agree

 

not withstanding benefit of setup and eq

 

how is it positioned setup?

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57 minutes ago, BIG DWIFTER said:

I'm looking at some Ascension/Adelaide speakers for the FL+FR when I have the funds.

 

Maybe I should just go speak to Edward.

 

Budget for the centre ~$1000.

Why not get an Adelaide centre speaker now?

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4 minutes ago, betty boop said:

Understand, while matching is good. A better centre is a better centre I agree

 

not withstanding benefit of setup and eq

 

how is it positioned setup?

Admittedly, absolutely terribly.

 

It is in a giant lounge/living area with the worst acoustics for HT I've lived in so far.

 

I am moving house soon though, so the setup will change and I'll be looking at a proper long term setup.

 

The centre needs upgrading no matter what.

1 minute ago, Snoopy8 said:

Why not get an Adelaide centre speaker now?

I'd like to look at alternative options.

 

Second hand is enticing for the money too:)

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10 minutes ago, BIG DWIFTER said:

Admittedly, absolutely terribly.

With speakers it is always location location location

 

if poor anything after that is only just making best of bad situation

 

if moving wait till then I’d suggest :)

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Posted (edited)

I'll most likely end up talking to Edward though.

 

Yeah ideally I'd wait till I move but I need to watch movies now haha

Edited by BIG DWIFTER

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1 hour ago, BIG DWIFTER said:

The Onkyo seems to do just as good a job as the Yamaha I have in terms of room correction. Of course it could be better, it is a cheaper AVR. Atmos soundtracks are amazing though.

 

1. This is an issue where it is setup at the moment. The room is huge, it has hard surfaces and an angled roof which ruins the overhead Atmos.

 

It used to be setup in a smaller room with softwood floors, soft curtains and low roof.

The issue was there back then although not as bad.

 

2. Seating is not against a wall. It is ~3 metres from the back wall.

 

The subwoofer needs to be turned up close to maximum to get any real punch too, although that is being upgraded as we speak.

OK, one other option you may want to consider before upgrading, is a couple of door wedges under the centre to angle it up towards your ears - this can make a big difference.

 

If the new place has a HT room as large as your current one I suspect the SB2000 is still going to be struggling. I'd recommend spending a bit more on a PSA V1800, or an S1500 if the V1800 is too large for your tastes. PSA is run by one the original founders of SVS.

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Posted (edited)
57 minutes ago, Quark said:

OK, one other option you may want to consider before upgrading, is a couple of door wedges under the centre to angle it up towards your ears - this can make a big difference.

 

If the new place has a HT room as large as your current one I suspect the SB2000 is still going to be struggling. I'd recommend spending a bit more on a PSA V1800, or an S1500 if the V1800 is too large for your tastes. PSA is run by one the original founders of SVS.

The centre is at ear level facing the couch already, it is just always underwhelming and seems it can never keep up with the rest of the system. Some movies the dialogue just gets completely lost. Others it is acceptable.

 

The subwoofer I have is a YST-SW216. It is getting upgraded to a PB2000.

 

I originally wanted the PSA 15" that was going for $1000AU @ DeepHz but it is a discontinued model and there isn't really what I want in my budget anymore so have settled on a PB2000 at a reasonable price.

Edited by BIG DWIFTER

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