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Hey guys.

I have a dead system that needs updating. I have roughly 20K to spend.

CD will probably be Musical Fidelity

Amp will probably also be from same stable.

Sub will either be JL Audio or REL.

Speakers will be from Triangle.

System will need to be able to not only play CDś but also either stream music via bluetooth or via USB connection.

 

Your help in this situation would be great

 

Cheers

 

Andy

 

If more info required please let me know

 

 

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Hi, 

at this price point almost every system sounds good. There is almost brand new Focal Kanta No2 on Gumtree for $8500. For saved money you can get a great amp. 

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Something doesn’t gel with me here.  Paying 20k for a stereo and then streaming music via Bluetooth.  Is that a case of excessive cost for a limiting standard?  If I were paying 20k for a stereo, then I would want the best form of connection - ie cable.

 

i do realise that OP wants CD and USB connections as well.   But to me, 20k to listen to Bluetooth is the same as a $300k Lamborghini and only driving 60 km/h around town.

 

Maybe I have it all wrong and Bluetooth is great.

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Sounds like you have it all pretty much sorted. 

Maybe try to find a CD player you like the sound of with digital inputs usb/spdif so a streamer the likes of Auralic, Bluesound , Sotm etc can be used without the need for another separate DAC

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@billy170468 how did you come at deciding on the amp and speakers?

 

agree with previous posts forget Bluetooth for audio and invest in a decent streamer and dac or CD player with digital inputs

 

if it’s just for 2channel I’d recommend 2 subs over 1 so you have a stereo pair

 

that said if I was spending that sort of coin I would ensure the fronts go deep enough that a sub wouldn’t necessarily be required, integrating subs isn’t the easiest thing for music.

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Gidday Andy,

 

You're in a great situation with $20K to spend. I wouldn't rush into any purchase.

 

Being in Bateman's Bay you're in the vicinity of Legend Speakers guru and forum member Rod Crawford.  https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/profile/108824-legend/  I would definitely pop up to Nowra and audition his active model Tikandi BE, and the passive Kama.

 

You could also discuss your listening room - the most important factor in determining sound quality.

 

Why Musical Fidelity? Why Bluetooth? (Bluetooth receivers can be added to anything, so that's easy).

 

Personally, if I was starting from scratch I would buy Australian. Our brands are equal to any international brands, and offer much better value. That includes the Gieseler Fein II DAC. I would get in touch with Clay Gieseler and see what else is in the works. 

 

The Legend Tikandi (with DEQX room correction and remote-controlled preamp) coupled with a Gieseler Fein II would be a formidable system. Just add a good CD transport and you're set, probably under budget with factory-direct pricing. An ethernet connection for high-quality streaming would then also be possible. 

 

In my opinion, this would give you vastly better sound quality than a CD player with digital inputs, not to mention the speaker combo you're considering.

 

 

 

 

Edited by was_a

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@SGR Audio  would be another I’d look at if starting over, Australian made active speakers that take away the need for matching amps to speakers which is half the battle done!

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Don't skimp on amplification.  Too many of my friends have +$10k speakers connected to a <$2k integrated. Thank you JB HifI :( 

Maybe they read the power handling number on the back of the speaker?  Bigger Amp often sounds better with everything else equal.

And its just my view/IMHO etc.  Others differ.
In the past I would match the spend on amp and speakers.  A much lesser amount going on sources.

edit: turntable changes things a bit - they need some love as well ...

Edited by n0bleINtP

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1 hour ago, was_a said:

You could also discuss your listening room - the most important factor in determining sound quality.

Agree. The room and positioning of speakers have a major influence on SQ.

14 hours ago, billy170468 said:

System will need to be able to not only play CDś but also either stream music via bluetooth or via USB connection.

 You can get a good CD player with USB input and feed it with a streamer.    Alternately,  a three box solution with a CD transport and streamer feeding a DAC.  Bluetooth is convenient but there is a drop in sound quality.  There are all-in-one boxes which do CD, sreaming and bluetooth but they tend to be on the lower end.

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32 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Agree. The room and positioning of speakers have a major influence on SQ.

 You can get a good CD player with USB input and feed it with a streamer.    Alternately,  a three box solution with a CD transport and streamer feeding a DAC.  Bluetooth is convenient but there is a drop in sound quality.  There are all-in-one boxes which do CD, sreaming and bluetooth but they tend to be on the lower end.

Naim seem to be leading the charge at the higher end all in ones too, can use as a preamp into actives also.

 

https://audiosolutions.net.au/product/naim-uniti-star-all-in-one-cd-streaming-amplifier/

Edited by Hi-Fi Whipped

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Take it from someone who has spent well in excess of $20k... Pick your choices wisely. $20k might sound like a lot of money, but it doesn't go as far as you think once you start buying quality components. Think, think, and think some more.

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3 hours ago, n0bleINtP said:

Don't skimp on amplification.  Too many of my friends have +$10k speakers connected to a <$2k integrated. Thank you JB HifI :( 

Maybe they read the power handling number on the back of the speaker?  Bigger Amp often sounds better with everything else equal.

And its just my view/IMHO etc.  Others differ.
In the past I would match the spend on amp and speakers.  A much lesser amount going on sources.

edit: turntable changes things a bit - they need some love as well ...

I agree with this. Ive heard some cheap speakers eg. $600 a pair sound unbelievable on decent power. 

And I've heard the opposite too, great speakers sound horrible on crappy amplification. 

Focus on good amplification and build from there 

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55 minutes ago, Silent Screamer said:

Take it from someone who has spent well in excess of $20k... Pick your choices wisely. $20k might sound like a lot of money, but it doesn't go as far as you think once you start buying quality components. Think, think, and think some more.

agree...$20k is a lot ,,but won't get you far in the hi end stuff... Eg..a good second hand speaker would cost you between $8k and $10k... I reckon you have a look into P.A system not hi-end

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3 minutes ago, Antran said:

agree...$20k is a lot ,,but won't get you far in the hi end stuff... Eg..a good second hand speaker would cost you between $8k and $10k... I reckon you have a look into P.A system not hi-end

Or you take that $8k-$10k you would spend on those over priced second hand passive speakers and turn that money into active DIY speakers that run circles around them.

I sold my Sonus Faber Cremonas to my brother in law (who was more interested in the way they looked, then sounded) for $7k and put that money (and a lot more) into an active system. Have no regrets.

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3 hours ago, n0bleINtP said:

Don't skimp on amplification.  Too many of my friends have +$10k speakers connected to a <$2k integrated. Thank you JB HifI :( 
 

 

26 minutes ago, Project718 said:

I agree with this. Ive heard some cheap speakers eg. $600 a pair sound unbelievable on decent power. 

And I've heard the opposite too, great speakers sound horrible on crappy amplification. 

Focus on good amplification and build from there 

Yep. Many, many, many speakers run at a fraction of their potential. 

 

Doesn't necessarily mean spend more but make sure you get good amplification. 

 

Like above many times I have been blown away by cheap speakers on good electronics. A fantastic speaker sounds crud average amps and many don't have the luxury to swap in and out many components to realise just how much they are missing. 

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1 minute ago, Bunno77 said:

 

Yep. Many, many, many speakers run at a fraction of their potential. 

 

Doesn't necessarily mean spend more but make sure you get good amplification. 

 

Like above many times I have been blown away by cheap speakers on good electronics. A fantastic speaker sounds crud average amps and many don't have the luxury to swap in and out many components to realise just how much they are missing. 

You could probably liken this to the Stig driving a Hyundai, and your 90 year old grand mother driving a Ferrari. Most speaker drivers are better than people give them credit for, and sometimes all you get with some expensive drvers is a bigger bill. A good amp will show your cheap speakers potential, a poor amp won't do justice to the best speakers in the world.

 

Shoot for a middle ground on both.

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