DSPeaker (Anti mode) connection to Sub woofer

[NKMA]

Hi All, 

 

I recently acquired an Anti-mode from here to improve the Bass situation with my speakers and although the volume has reduced and i have to turn it up a bit, the overall bass has improved and music is sounding much soother (less echoing) and better now. 

 

Digital Source -> DAC -> Anti Mode (RCA In and XLR out)  -> Integrated Amp -> Speakers

 

I had left my subwoofer out of the calibration and now want to include it. However currently, my Sub (Rel S/3) is connected to the speaker posts in the integrated amp through the Neutrik cable that came with it.  Any ideas on how to connect the subwoofer to the Antimode?

 

Thanks in advance for your assistance..

[Satanica]

If I understand things correctly with your current setup you should simply run the calibration again with the subwoofer on.

 

Presumably, you already have the gain\volume and the crossover and the phase control to where you think they should be on the subwoofer.

[NKMA]

44 minutes ago, Satanica said:

If I understand things correctly with your current setup you should simply run the calibration again with the subwoofer on.

 

Presumably, you already have the gain\volume and the crossover and the phase control to where you think they should be on the subwoofer.

Thanks @Satanica, I haven’t connected my subwoofer to the Antimode yet. Only to the Amp. Is that enough? Does it automatically do the sub as well?

[Satanica]

51 minutes ago, NKMA said:

Thanks @Satanica, I haven’t connected my subwoofer to the Antimode yet. Only to the Amp. Is that enough? Does it automatically do the sub as well?

The way you setup your subwoofer is not a separate channel from your speakers.

Think of it as an overlap and extension of your current speakers which is defined by the crossover setting.

 

With your current setup your Antimode has no idea of your subwoofer and has no way of doing so.

But when it measures your left speaker the subwoofer will also be contributing to bass frequencies.

And when it measures your right speaker the subwoofer will also be contributing to bass frequencies.

The Antimode should correct the overall frequency of your left speaker and your right speaker with the subwoofer contributing.

Edited April 21, 2019 by Satanica

[NKMA]

Ah, makes sense, thank you. 

[jdh500]

Have a look at the following link which provides some connection examples.

 

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/anti-mode-20-dual-core-connection-examples.shtml

 

The way I did it with a 2ch system with a subwoofer and the Dspeaker 2.0 was to either connect the sub passively off the speaker or amp terminals or actively via the RCA connections on the Dspeaker 2.0, as others have said the Dspeaker treats the 2ch left and right and sub as a combined left and right channel. You just need to ensure the level matches your 2ch speakers.

 

JDH

[Darren69]

An excellent little device, mine services my subwoofers only and it works a treat, an absolute keeper.

 

I like to keep my mains away from and DSP, I think it sounds nicer.

[NKMA]

5 hours ago, jdh500 said:

Have a look at the following link which provides some connection examples.

 

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/anti-mode-20-dual-core-connection-examples.shtml

 

The way I did it with a 2ch system with a subwoofer and the Dspeaker 2.0 was to either connect the sub passively off the speaker or amp terminals or actively via the RCA connections on the Dspeaker 2.0, as others have said the Dspeaker treats the 2ch left and right and sub as a combined left and right channel. You just need to ensure the level matches your 2ch speakers.

 

JDH

Thanks @jdh500. What does the last line mean? 

[NKMA]

Also @jdh500, @Darren69 - I have a vitus amp and do I take the pre-out from the amp to antimode and then rca to the subs? This way speakers will be out of the equation?

 

Edited April 21, 2019 by NKMA

[Darren69]

1 hour ago, NKMA said:

Also @jdh500, @Darren69 - I have a vitus amp and do I take the pre-out from the amp to antimode and then rca to the subs? This way speakers will be out of the equation?

 

My pre amp has all of the 'outs' active at any time. So I can run outs to the mono blocks and to the Anti Mode, simple as that.

 

So depending on the 'outs' available, one can run XLR or RCA to the Antimode and onto the subs.

 

Alternatively, one can run a digital from the DAC to the Antimode as well.

 

Do you have the manual?

Edited April 21, 2019 by Darren69

[NKMA]

Thanks Darren, checked the manual and it says Preout can be connected to power amp for biamping (not my need) or to active subs.

Will try with this setup without the speakers.

[Darren69]

I hook my subs to the DSPeaker through an RCA cable with a splitter at the sub end, I have the same sub as you only twice as many.

 

You can just leave it like Satanica suggests but you will need to tell the unit what configuration you are running during the calibration process.

 

You can run RCA from the integrated to the subs if you have RCA-Outs on the unit. I think this would sound better, I never liked the sound of the Neutrik setup at all but hey, just leaving as is and running the calibration might tie it all in in your system, in your room, who knows, you have a few ideas there to play with.

 

Also looks like there is an upgrade ready to be uploaded t the unit, will do that later on as well (Feb 2019).

Edited April 22, 2019 by Darren69

[NKMA]

58 minutes ago, Darren69 said:

I hook my subs to the DSPeaker through an RCA cable with a splitter at the sub end, I have the same sub as you only twice as many.

 

You can just leave it like Satanica suggests but you will need to tell the unit what configuration you are running during the calibration process.

 

You can run RCA from the integrated to the subs if you have RCA-Outs on the unit. I think this would sound better, I never liked the sound of the Neutrik setup at all but hey, just leaving as is and running the calibration might tie it all in in your system, in your room, who knows, you have a few ideas there to play with.

 

Also looks like there is an upgrade ready to be uploaded t the unit, will do that later on as well (Feb 2019).

Thanks for the suggestions Darren, tried the amp pre-out to Antimode and RCA out to the Sub, this sounds better as the speaker volumes are much better..

 

I did try as Satanica suggested, but only selected 2.0 channel and not the 2.1 setting, yes a few options to try.

 

Antimode has only one set of L/R RCA out. How do you connect two subs in them?

[Darren69]

18 minutes ago, NKMA said:

Thanks for the suggestions Darren, tried the amp pre-out to Antimode and RCA out to the Sub, this sounds better as the speaker volumes are much better..

 

I did try as Satanica suggested, but only selected 2.0 channel and not the 2.1 setting, yes a few options to try.

 

Antimode has only one set of L/R RCA out. How do you connect two subs in them?

One to the L and one to the R with an Audioquest RCA splitter at the sub end so I can connect to both the L&R 'ins' on the sub. I use Canare cable and connectors.

 

Just a note- remember you can use quite a few combo's on ins and outs but you canna use both XLR and RCA in at the same time.

 

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/technology/anti-mode-technology/anti-mode-20-dual-core-connection-examples.shtml

 

I have heard more than once that I should try the subs in 'mono' which I am also yet to try. All sorts of fun with this stuff, it's a great unit. If you really want excellent integration and room correction, I don't think you can beat the DEQX units but much more $$.

 

As I have already said, I prefer the subs only to be treated and the mains au natural with a bit of room treatment. If one has bass issues in a room then that is very hard to treat with acoustic treatments, I have compromised with my little Anti Mode.  

 

Did you see the update there ready to download to the device? Last one my machine had on it was the 2014 version, don't know if it will make any difference to what I use it for but I just uploaded the latest version, was easy following the prompts.

 

 

Edited April 22, 2019 by Darren69

[NKMA]

35 minutes ago, Darren69 said:

One to the L and one to the R with an Audioquest RCA splitter at the sub end so I can connect to both the L&R 'ins' on the sub. I use Canare cable and connectors.

That makes sense, thanks.

 

Did read about not using two inputs at the same time.. Don’t want to blow it up just yet..

 

Yes I did read about DEQX, over 5k, so have to save for it and will look out in the second hand if anything pops out.

 

My laptop could not see the Antimode, so will have to try with my computer - for the update.

 

Also my room challenge is Bass is only around the corners and back walls, so I might get another Sub..

Edited April 22, 2019 by NKMA

[jdh500]

If anyone is interested I have a couple of Dspeaker anti-nodes 2.0s, thinking of selling one and keeping the other.

 

Will eventually get around to advertising it or wait for someone to post another want to buy add !!!

 

JDH

[NKMA]

@Matyk, if you haven’t acquired any other room correction systems, you should try this with your setup if you still have the focal speakers. I took one of his units and it has made the bass more prominent in my setup (similar focal speakers) where I had similar bass issues..

[Matyk]

33 minutes ago, NKMA said:

@Matyk, if you haven’t acquired any other room correction systems, you should try this with your setup if you still have the focal speakers. I took one of his units and it has made the bass more prominent in my setup (similar focal speakers) where I had similar bass issues..

Speakers are gone mate. 

 

Going different direction

 

Thanks for the tips.

[Dean Gale]

I think everyone has covered it just be aware that going USB or Toslink the volume goes up quite a bit , it sound heaps better than analogue to Digital then back to Analogue . I've had one for years they are great fun and do improve the sound . I'd love to get a pair of sub anti's and an anti mode 2.0 or 2 anti modes . 

If your running  Audessy via a surround it really messes with it's mind . 

[NKMA]

Thanks @DEANO23. I haven’t read it anywhere but learnt it when the volume decreased.  I have put the volume up as I already have a dac and don’t want to use Antimode’s dac.  My dac only has RCA and XLR outputs so I don’t think I can use the USB or Toslink? 

[Dean Gale]

Thanks [mention=142294]DEANO23[/mention]. I haven’t read it anywhere but learnt it when the volume decreased.  I have put the volume up as I already have a dac and don’t want to use Antimode’s dac.  My dac only has RCA and XLR outputs so I don’t think I can use the USB or Toslink? 

See if you can borrow a CD player , DVD or bluray that has an optical out , they sound pretty good the only thing is why oh why a midi usb connection . It amazes me these companies do all this good work and then plonk a frigging mid sized usb connector . The first time I connected my Gustard U12 to it I was shocked how good it sounded.

[NKMA]

Yes, the volume is certainly better with USB in comparison to analog. Tried with my CD player itself. Unfortunately all of my music is in digital files, which needs a DAC, so can’t bypass. Just increasing the volume for now. But the upper end is slightly smooth as well as with increased bass. Will live with it for now until I could find a DEQX secondhand..[emoji4]

[Dean Gale]

If you are running your mains via XLR to your mono blocks and RCA to your subs the signal to your mains are 6db louder than  the rca to the subs . However with music unless you have a square room and really bright with tile and glass everywhere I prefer the 6db difference . I actually used  in an line attentuator to the subs they were just too sensitive . 

[NKMA]

This is how i am setup now.

 

Network Streamer -> USB -> Upscalar -> BNC cables -> DAC -> RCA -> Antimode -> XLR out -->  Integrated Amp (Antimode RCA Out to Sub). In this setup i have to increase the volume around 8dbs than what i normally hear..!  My room has hard wood (some rug) and glass on 2 sides (almost 75%). So without any treatment, there is slight echo without the antimode.

Edited April 26, 2019 by NKMA

[Dean Gale]

This is how i am setup now.
 
Network Streamer -> USB -> Upscalar -> BNC cables -> DAC -> RCA -> Antimode -> XLR out -->  Integrated Amp (Antimode RCA Out to Sub). In this setup i have to increase the volume around 8dbs than what i normally hear..!  My room has hard wood (some rug) and glass on 2 sides (almost 75%). So without any treatment, there is slight echo without the antimode.

It's doing a mighty then glass is reasonably transparent but still I presume you have curtains