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Last week I was fortunate enough to  get a SP10mk2 from a radio station that's in very lightly used condition. Looks like it came from a production studio and wasn't thrashed as a main studio item. It's the most amazing TT I've heard at my place. There doesn't seem to the a specific thread for these units. So let's get started! Here's pics of mine as I received it last week. (Upgrading is underway). 

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Bought my SP10 mk2 off a SNAer for ~ $750 (actually on eBay) as the TT unit and PSU only. Serviced, resprayed black and plinth built by the late Duc. Also sports one of his Univector tonearms with a S

Finally.... my SP-10MKII is alive in its completed new plinth... (After gathering dust for years  & months messing with the plinth design & building.)   Cheers, Owen Dark L

Hi fellow SNA'ers   Last week I was fortunate enough to  get a SP10mk2 from a radio station that's in very lightly used condition. Looks like it came from a production studio and wasn't thra

Without a doubt the BEST spinner on the planet for the money.  Idlers and belt drives are mere toys and farming machinery by comparison IME.  Unfortunately the SP10 MKII is often the victim of audiophools who poorly implement them and blame the deck.  There is no limit on their potential as they can be mated with arms and carts of the absolute highest calibre.  I've owned well over 250 turntables and still have about 20, but the SP10 MKII is still my reference.  My only 'upgrade' would be to a MKIII. 

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56 minutes ago, mloutfie said:

nice arm

I think it's an Ortofon AS212mk2. I now have put a Quintet Bronze cart on it and it sounds amazing. So much scale, image definition, soundstage and with a good recording you feel like you're with the master tape and can notice all these details and the true timbre of instruments. Haven't heard anything like it. 

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Simple to use but a pain to restore or maintain though

38 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

Love the simplicity of the table  AND that tone arm.  What type is it?

 

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Yep, also settled on a Technics SP10 Mk II after trying many other turntables. Mine is plinthless (sounds v.good this way) and for the reason that I like to try out three arms and 10 cartridges and a plinth would get in the way. There is a long running thread on Audiogon discussing the merits of going plinthless, mainly that no vibrations can be transmitted via a plinth because there isn’t one!

 

Generally speaking, the Technics SP10 sounds fab because it is solidly built and spins the record accurately - what more can you ask for. The sound of them is precise and CD like to me, but with the vinyl virtues that mainly - the cartridge and phono preamp brings.

 

Cheers,

 

Steve.

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SP10mk3 for me.  One of MarkT's rejects :D    Stillpoints replace the stock feet and it sit on a granite slab supported by compression springs.  It has original SL1000mk3D P mount tonearm, with EPC-P100C mk4 cart or Thales Simplicity II tonearm with Lyra Atlas SL cart. Simplicity gets most of the play time, but its fun to swap back every now and then.   

Superb table with power and precision.

 

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Has anyone here compared the SP10mkII or III to the new Technics Ref tables (SP10R / SL1000R / SL1200G )?

 

If money was no object, how do the new decks compare to the mkii/ii?

 

 

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I don't own a SP-10 (only a lowly SL-120 ;)  )  but have overhauled one and was very, very impressed by the build quality and stability. Yes, they are complex and I can see how they could be a nightmare to troubleshoot, but they really are a beast of a turntable.

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9 hours ago, mtf said:

I had the pleasure of hearing the Mk3 recently and it sounded absolutely fantastic!:smile:

So did I. It really impressed me. Was seriously looking at buying one!

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2 hours ago, hugo_wilco said:

So did I. It really impressed me. Was seriously looking at buying one!

How did it compare sound wise to your Ref2?

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Very different. There is something immediately grabbing when you listen to the SP10iii and that’s the pitch stability. You hear it bandied around but when you hear a familiar record you immediately notice how correct the pitch is. 

I guess y being so correct you lose a bit of the warmth / romanticism that a great belt drive conveys. The Technics is CD like in that way but without losing the things we love about analog replay. 

 

I can understand why it has so many fans and if I had the room I would love one. It’s a bit Ying/Yang. 

 

Having said that that I’ve heard the SP10mkii (and don’t flame me guys) but that isn’t even in the same playing field as the mkiii. 

 

It it would be mk3 for me all the way. 

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With respect to the SP10mk2, the mk3 when released in 1981 was almost twice the price and twice the weight of the mk2.   the mk3 platter weighs as much as the entire mk2 drive unit.

 

The popularity of the SP10mk2 these days does not diminish as they are relatively cheap and certainly cheap for the performance they provide.

 

 The mk3 was the best motor unit Technics could make.  The mk3 did not sell in large numbers, but they go for a pretty penny these days.

 

The great thing about the Technics SP series is their bulletproof build.  Many are still being used 40 years later.  This is not unique to Technics, as Pioneer, Denon, Yamaha all have reliability unheard of in these days of planned obsolesce.

  I have owned a 1979/1980 Pioneer Exclusive P3 for 10 years this year and it's never missed a beat - never even had a cap replaced - touch wood :).

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my old krebs sp10 mk 2, a bit battle scarred outside and inside it has needed a few rebuilds but sounds great.

oracle 345 tonearm, lyra delos cartridge, purist audio design proteus provectus praesto (phew) arm cable on a solid jarah plinth and black diamond racing pyramid cones.

 

 

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8 hours ago, mtf said:

I might have to get one of these one day I think, how much are the Mk2s on average?

It varies alot depending on condition. And fully restored would depend on finish. The cheapest would be used from Japan. You can get one for around $1000 un restored

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nb... look for an export version, that will have a multi-voltage power supply.

strict jdm is 100v only

us version will be 110v

 

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Dear friends I am seeing some very nice plinths in the photos. At the moment mine is what came from the radio station and the TT sounds great however your plinths look nicer. It would be interesting to know how you obtained your plinths. Did you make them or buy them from somewhere?

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Bought my SP10 mk2 off a SNAer for ~ $750 (actually on eBay) as the TT unit and PSU only. Serviced, resprayed black and plinth built by the late Duc. Also sports one of his Univector tonearms with a Soundsmith MIMC cart. Since I've had this, the LP12/Lingo1/Ekos/Klyde next door hasn't had a look in. Sounds thick and cloudy compared to the SP10. All through the same phono stage (Goldnote PH10). Probably all up cost 3.5k for TT/Arm and so for the price of a Rega RP8, I think i've probably got a better TT. YMMV

 

 

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not a fan of the heavy duty, overkill approach to plinths, albeit i like your square plinth a  lot more than artisan's mr blobby.

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My plinth at the moment is just a heavy box type made of 12mm laminated particle board, I obtained a major improvement in focus and bass control by adding in anti vibration material - just used the Jaycar version of dynamat and works a treat. Added in a new 1877 phono tonearm cable obtained from a SNA member to the Ortofon AS212 tonearm and the deck sounds amazing. 

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I got 2 SP10 mk2. 

 

One originally used in Brisbane radio station with sme 3012R tonearm. And also with build-in MM phono stage. 

 

The second unit from japan. With SAEC WE308sx & Fedilty Research FR64s. 

 

Planning to re-condition my sme 3012r, anyone here know who can upgrade turntable? 

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Another follower....., Technics SP10 that is. For me the timing and attack are simply jaw dropping.

 

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2 hours ago, Owen Y said:

Progress has been slow, but I have an SP-10 plinth build underway presently.....

 

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Cheers, Owen

Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/

Makes fascinating reading especially the concept of additional internal damping and that you are using light not heavy material for top plinth to avoid loss of microdynamic musicality. 

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5 hours ago, Mr Thorens said:

Makes fascinating reading especially the concept of additional internal damping and that you are using light not heavy material for top plinth to avoid loss of microdynamic musicality. 

Hi @Mr Thorens - mass is useful to 'help anchor' the significant rotational torque of these DD TTs, but IME, we don't want it near the stylus/record interface. As this tends to rob the sound of its low level detail, harmonic info, harmonic decay, etc - things which are not the SP-10's strong suits anyway I hear (IMHO, YMMV of course ;) ).

 

This plinth will employ a 9kg stainless steel bott plate, to provide the requisite mass, but a low C of G & also to house an Albert Porter style 'noise sink' at the main bearing.

 

A mock-up with 12" & 10" tonearms....

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Cheers, Owen

Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/

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Thanks @Owen Y  that changes the design thoughts I had about improving my plinth. I've actually had that experience before. Once had a Lenco L71 which sounded dynamic and detailed on a box plinth and then I got a Moldova 10kg plinth and bolted it tightly only to find that it deadened the sound and robbed dynamics and air. At the moment my SP10ii is on a box plinth that came from the radio station. Dampening the sides with Dynamat (Jaycar version) made a big difference to reducing resonance and enhancing image but dampening the top flattened the sound. So I will now consider adding mass to the bottom rather than the top. 

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@Mr Thorens - thanks, that's useful info for me, hearing independent experience - I'm encouraged.

 

There are many structural details of the SP-10 MkII itself too, that can be improved, tweaked, I feel - but you don't want to 'throw baby out with bath water', so to speak.

 

Cheers, Owen

Dark Lantern blog - http://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/

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