Monkeyboi Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Hi Guys (and Gals), Does anyone know of a media player program that will playback .DSF (DSD) files gaplessly? Preferably over a network if possible. The alternative is an extraction program that will do the same for SACD and / or DVD-A. I have a few titles which playback without a gap from the SACD but not from the extracted .dsf files from extracted from SACDs or from digital download titles. Same with DVD-Audio. Likewise any suggestions of something similar for hi-res WAV files?? Thanks guys. I'm sure someone has already found the solution to this. Cheers, Alan R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Is this for Windows or iOS, free or paid apps? And please clarify what you mean over network, with more info on sources and players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyboi Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, Snoopy8 said: Is this for Windows or iOS, free or paid apps? And please clarify what you mean over network, with more info on sources and players Hi Snoopy, PC Windows OS, Win 7 or Win 10 Could be controlled from Android app supported by Android 9.0 (Pie) but not essential. Over LAN. Files are stored on my NAS. Wired ethernet connected back to the router. Router has the usual 10/100/1000 LAN ports, Wi-Fi 2.4GHz 802.11 b/g/n as well as 5GHz ac capability. Doesn't matter if the app or program is free, paid outright or subscription. Just looking for something that actually works for gapless playback of .DSF and hi-res .WAV files. Thanks. Cheers, Alan R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aasza Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Foobar2000 with DSDIFF Decoder and UPnP/DLNA Renderer, Server, Control Point https://www.foobar2000.org/download https://www.foobar2000.org/components Foobar Features: Supported audio formats: MP3, MP4, AAC, CD Audio, WMA, Vorbis, Opus, FLAC, WavPack, WAV, AIFF, Musepack, Speex, AU, SND... and more with additional components. Gapless playback. Easily customizable user interface layout. Advanced tagging capabilities. Support for ripping Audio CDs as well as transcoding all supported audio formats using the Converter component. Full ReplayGain support. Customizable keyboard shortcuts. Open component architecture allowing third-party developers to extend functionality of the player. Edited March 14, 2019 by aasza 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Also try JRiver https://jriver.com/audio.html LMS https://mysqueezebox.com/index/Home Note that gapless playback is partly dependent on the DAC, and may be need tweaking of the buffers. Edited March 14, 2019 by Snoopy8 Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain starlight Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Yes - jriver does exactly that. I have a QNAP nas with my audio on that. Have jriver installed on multiple machines (win 10 and Mac) and they all playback the variety of formats (ie dsf, iso, flac etc) gap less into my various amps. I am using a win 10 box plugged into a NAD d7050 and then into paradigm bookshelves in one location (nad is connected by cable to the nas), and nas directly into a Denon dac then plugged into my nad avr in another location. I also dlna into the nad d7050 via network cable as well and control that via my iPad (when I don’t want to turn the win 10 box on). all works very good. I don’t use wifi though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davm Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I use Audirvana on a Mac to play digital files, including dsf format without problems. It's recently been released for Windows 10 and may be an option. I know more recent development of Audirvana has focused on working well with networked storage of music files. I can't offer any personal experience of it on Windows, but you can download and test a fully working version as a trial. Regards, David. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 most of today's playback software (if capable of playing dsf files) will play it gapless the only exception is multiformat playback i.e. dsf after pcm and back where DAC needs to lock to different format first so you can play gapless pcm after pcm (be it flac, wav or whatever) but it won't play gapless if you have pcm after dsf in your play list, as @Snoopy8 mentioned this is typical DAC limitation and I haven't seen (yet) DAC capable of playing gapless different formats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 15/03/2019 at 5:06 PM, davm said: I use Audirvana on a Mac to play digital files, including dsf format without problems. So do I, but DSD playback into the two UPnP devices I've tried isn't gapless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, Steffen said: So do I, but DSD playback into the two UPnP devices I've tried isn't gapless. Upnp isn't the problem, likey issue at the DAC end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve M Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) This is a vexatious issue and I have found the solution is always at the dac end. The less sorted dacs just don’t want to play hirez DSD or DSF material? I use JRiver in DSD native mode and some dacs just do it right, for example, the Spring Audio Holo r2r dac @$3K plays all the formats well as does the humble Topping devices. Currently using the little Topping D10 which switches faultlessly between 44.1/16 bit right up to SACD 2.82MHz quality and even DSD256 without any trouble. The Topping unit sounds pretty good too up to 95% sound quality of the more expensive dacs, if missing a little bit of liquidity and soundstage dimension. However, all is forgiven when you consider the Topping is only $120 landed. Btw, the USB bridge duties of the Topping D10 performs very well (close to the sound of the Singxer SU-1 @ $500 that I have got). The Topping has the same high quality Xmos U208 USB receiver chip as the Singxer, but missing the more expensive Crystek clock found in the Singxer. Steve . Edited April 13, 2019 by Steve M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 15/03/2019 at 5:45 PM, kukynas said: I haven't seen (yet) DAC capable of playing gapless different formats Gieseler Gross can do gapless with both PCM and DSF (DSD) E.g. Pink Flyod DSOTM using SMS-200 Ultra MPD player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said: Upnp isn't the problem, likey issue at the DAC end. Yes, everything else plays gapless just fine over UPnP. I think it's the software, or the amount of buffering or processing that's involved. I might actually search the Audirvana forum, that question must have come up. DSD playback is also limiting other functions, like fast forward/reverse. Edited April 13, 2019 by Steffen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davm Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Steffen said: Yes, everything else plays gapless just fine over UPnP. I think it's the software, or the amount of buffering or processing that's involved. I might actually search the Audirvana forum, that question must have come up. DSD playback is also limiting other functions, like fast forward/reverse. I don't do anything else on my mac mini but play music, so also able to allocate a fairly large amount of memory for track pre-load (4GB) which maybe helps, but also using attached storage for music files, rather than network stored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Snoopy8 said: Gieseler Gross can do gapless with both PCM and DSF (DSD) E.g. Pink Flyod DSOTM using SMS-200 Ultra MPD player. Are you sure it can play gapless from pcm track straigh to dsd track? There is of course no issue playing gapless any of the formats if you stay with that format but once you start mixing them in the playlist that’s the point when Dac chip needs to lock to different format and that’s usually happening with small pause 8 hours ago, Steffen said: DSD playback is also limiting other functions, like fast forward/reverse. No problem with Jriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, kukynas said: Are you sure it can play gapless from pcm track straigh to dsd track? There is of course no issue playing gapless any of the formats if you stay with that format but once you start mixing them in the playlist that’s the point when Dac chip needs to lock to different format and that’s usually happening with small pause Now that you have clarified your comment, the answer is no, it cannot have mixed DSD and PCM in playlist and play gapless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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