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Hi Everyone,

 

Just wanted to start this thread to start a discussion around MadVR Envy, which is essentially going to be a very user friendly MadVR 'in a box' solution, so, no HTPC required!

 

http://envy.madvr.com/

 

MadVR in the past 9 months or so over on AVS has been going through considerable development with respect to HDR to SDR tone mapping and how to handle HDR encoded content. It has made considerable strides to the point where its not even a stretch to categorically say its the best HDR tone mapping in the world right now. MadVR is also the worlds best video up-scaler, and has been for years. Until now, you have been required to have a considerably powerful HTPC, and generally you have not been able to run a source through it, as in, UHD Bluray Standalone player, Netflix, Media Players, Xbox etc... What this will do is allow that to happen, and will be a much more user friendly experience than it is currently. Think of it as a direct competitor to the Lumagen Radiance series. complete with full up-scaling support as you get already, calibration LUT support etc.

 

I wanted to start a convo here, I am 'in the know' with the development of this thing and I am planning to help out with the Australian release side of things if all goes well. What I would like to know from you guys, is what would you expect from such a standalone device, what features would you like to see, what price point do you think it should come in at, is it something that interests you guys, and so on...

 

Lets start a dialogue, and I plan on relaying this to the team as they are looking for feedback. Its looking like this product could be as little as two months away initially.

 

@betty boop how about you?

 

 

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Hi Everyone,   Just wanted to start this thread to start a discussion around MadVR Envy, which is essentially going to be a very user friendly MadVR 'in a box' solution, so, no HTPC required

We will see....😁   I have just recentley upgraded my HTPC with an RTX 2080TI and can "Almost" max out every option available!!!   The result is just Stunning!!!!    From what i und

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3 minutes ago, Javs said:

how about you?

thanks jays, great you are in dialogue ! I registered interest in the thing. 

 

and great they have it in the works. to put it plainly I see a great need for it... as I have no interest in a HTPC part of my setup (hence why glad about its existence) as system  is used by family from child 10 years up. so has to be set forget and just play its part without intervention--- ie seamless to people using the system. 

 

price point is an interesting thing, it cant be in the realm of lumagen and such. it has to be like the old darbee or newer hdfury type device.

 

I expect its going to be something in the likes of fury and plugs in line from output to projector at source or projector end. so tackles everything coming in and reads and sorts to suit ? whether upscaling to tone mapping to calibration related things ? 

 

if price is getting up there .... I would modularise it ... ie a module that just does tone mapping, one that just does upscaling, one that just does calibration. it would all technically piggy back or if its case have software enabling of features if cost is going to be the same one ways or another...

 

rather than any blingy displays and buttons and such on the device an onscreen menu you can flick up if needed is a good ways to go I think :) phone app ? am thinking fury style minus any inbuilt display or buttons.

 

anyways just some thoughts.... 

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Agree, no need for a built in display.

 

Presume it will be able to send appropriate EDID data to the external display.

 

Put it in a good sized box and with enough cooling so it doesn't run hot (I'm thinking of my Integral which ran hot and slowly died).

 

Universal voltage too please.

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I am extremely interested in this - the whole MadVR thing sounds great, although it's something that seems rather daunting (even though i'd classify myself as being tech savvy).

Is the idea behind MadVR Envy much like the Lumagen Pro, only better? and maybe cheaper?

 

Cheers

 

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People expecting this to be something in the realm of the HDFuryu will be very disappointed. Its more likely going to cost HTPC money since it will essentially be just that, a PC underneath it all, it will also be running Nvidia graphics cards most likely since MadVR requires a huge amount of teraflops to work its magic.

 

So, expect to part with a few thousand dollars for one most likely.

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I suppose its probably a bit early to ask but is it going to be able to scan network files and play them?....or are you still going to need something(eg: ATV, Nuc, game consol etc)to send it the data?

 

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On 04/03/2019 at 2:25 PM, betty boop said:

I expect its going to be something in the likes of fury and plugs in line from output to projector at source or projector end. so tackles everything coming in and reads and sorts to suit ? whether upscaling to tone mapping to calibration related things ? 

 

if price is getting up there .... I would modularise it ... ie a module that just does tone mapping, one that just does upscaling, one that just does calibration. it would all technically piggy back or if its case have software enabling of features if cost is going to be the same one ways or another...

Yes Al ; I would lean to between the projector and pre pro if only to apply the processing/ scaling to everything you want . Modularity would be nice too .

As its added resource and expense to overlay an osd to a 4k signal due to bandwidth issues I  can live without it . Maybe take a leaf from the monoprice pre pro book and have a separate hdmi gui overlay on a blank screen controlled by a ipad or android device :)

Sounds like the perfect solution to keep my ubd900/forgo a 825  and not worry about upgrading the 7000e to a N series B)

Oh and make it E-ARC  compatible for those who stream atmos/dts-x and put it post the avr/pre pro

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15 hours ago, Compass said:

I suppose its probably a bit early to ask but is it going to be able to scan network files and play them?....or are you still going to need something(eg: ATV, Nuc, game consol etc)to send it the data?

 

it is not a source device. So, you will need a way to feed it a signal of some kind.

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I too registered interest through madshi's link, as madvr dynamic tone mapping sounds a bit like " the holy grail " compared to the current static TM most sources and displays possess. 

If I could BUY a pre-made HPTC for $1500 with the specs to run Madvr I would be all over it.

I am not interested enough in the hardware components to want to build one myself. 

I think madshi has a difficult decision with regard to the Envy.

If he makes it to "ultra high end " specs , and competing against the Lumagen which sells here for what $6-7k(?), he might sell a few. Maybe 10 , 20 , 50 worldwide. 

If he could build different incarnations with different levels of performance, I believe he could sell many hundreds, even thousands.

Personally , as I said, my budget would extend to about $1500-2k. I think the video card required ( RTX2060?) sells for $6-700 alone , so I feel I might end up in the "disappointed" category 😣😣

 

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1 hour ago, Compass said:

Where did you vote on that?

I signed up to www.envy.madVR.com with my email address to get updates about madVR Envy. I received an email today to vote on the UI font, and voted for Tenerifa 😎 

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8 hours ago, Davo1972 said:

I signed up to www.envy.madVR.com with my email address to get updates about madVR Envy. I received an email today to vote on the UI font, and voted for Tenerifa 😎 

Yeah I did that when this thread was started....didnt recieve the email.

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10 hours ago, Compass said:

Yeah I did that when this thread was started....didnt recieve the email.

Hmmm, strange. Perhaps sign up again?

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People expecting this to be something in the realm of the HDFuryu will be very disappointed. Its more likely going to cost HTPC money since it will essentially be just that, a PC underneath it all, it will also be running Nvidia graphics cards most likely since MadVR requires a huge amount of teraflops to work its magic.
 
So, expect to part with a few thousand dollars for one most likely.


Will still be cheaper than a Lumagen. Im looking forward to its release
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On 21/03/2019 at 6:22 AM, Compass said:

Yeah I did that when this thread was started....didnt recieve the email.

Same here as well, no sign of the email so far, and no sign of it even getting to my MTA. 

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On 05/03/2019 at 2:14 PM, Javs said:

HTPC money since it will essentially be just that, a PC underneath it all, it will also be running Nvidia graphics cards most likely since MadVR requires a huge amount of teraflops to work its magic.

I was interested (still am pending price) in this too, as I am about to build a new PC.

 

Only question is why this over a dedicated HTPC (if it's the same money) as you have said it will essentially be running a 1080 card or depending when they build it a 2080 card for it to process the full suite that MADVR offers so unless it comes in sub $1000 it doesn't have the flexibility of a HTPC unless i've missed something here?

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On 07/07/2019 at 10:29 PM, roh008 said:

I was interested (still am pending price) in this too, as I am about to build a new PC.

 

Only question is why this over a dedicated HTPC (if it's the same money) as you have said it will essentially be running a 1080 card or depending when they build it a 2080 card for it to process the full suite that MADVR offers so unless it comes in sub $1000 it doesn't have the flexibility of a HTPC unless i've missed something here?

My 2c, If it allows you to have more than 1 source it will be a winner, thats the only downfall of a HTPC, due to DRM you can't pass anything else through it, if you want to take advantage of MadVR using say a PS3/4 or XBox  or any other source for that matter then tough luck. Just have to wait and see.

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Ok. News time.

Madshi's official press release for the Envy:

http://madvr.com/EnvyPressRelease.pdf

Very exciting, but as expected the pricing will see me watching from the sidelines. ( Pro model $US 10000, Base model $US 5500).

I hope he sells a truck load ( so he may eventually release a bargain basement model for $A 2000 😊😊)

More details here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/3053602-madvr-envy-anticipation-thread-25.html#post58541994

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3 hours ago, IMDave said:

Ok. News time.

Madshi's official press release for the Envy:

http://madvr.com/EnvyPressRelease.pdf

Very exciting, but as expected the pricing will see me watching from the sidelines. ( Pro model $US 10000, Base model $US 5500).

I hope he sells a truck load ( so he may eventually release a bargain basement model for $A 2000 😊😊)

More details here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/3053602-madvr-envy-anticipation-thread-25.html#post58541994

Jesus.

Might as well just build a super top of the line gaming pc.

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Ouch, pricey. I do run a HTPC and way overkill, AMD 3700X recently upgraded the 2600 that was in there, on a x470 mobo, with a 1070 and low latency ram.

  Bloody thing competes with my main rig just about,apart from video card, and got all that Madvr running and it is working very well for UHD/HDR , but that is big money for the Envy

 Just came across this thread and will have a look what the Envy is all about

Thanks

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1 hour ago, franin said:

Just the base model alone after the conversion rate and taxes could put it close to $10kAU

Dont get me wrong. I certainly am not "complaining " about the price.

Madshi has been contributing to the community for over a decade, so he's entitled to charge what he feels is reasonable. 

I'm sure it costs a packet to produce.

I'm just sad that I don't have that sort of money to spend on what is one of my many hobbies.

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Dont get me wrong. I certainly am not "complaining " about the price.
Madshi has been contributing to the community for over a decade, so he's entitled to charge what he feels is reasonable. 
I'm sure it costs a packet to produce.
I'm just sad that I don't have that sort of money to spend on what is one of my many hobbies.


Dave don’t worry mate I’m in the same boat after my last purchase. I would love to see a MADVR but I will have to sit on the bench for this one. Unless there able to make the base model $5kAU then I “might” be able get some funds together but close to $10k my mrs will make me sleep in the car.
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If Madshi could delete a few functions[ like scaling and the 3d lut cms ] for the projector to handle it may be a bit more palatable pricewise ? That's whats everyone really wants - great HDR bit mapping - otherwise its too similar function wise to a lumagen - but likely superior.. On the other hand it wouldn't have been optimal for my 2 display system anyway with only 1 hdmi input/output that goes after the pre pro ..

The tariff situation would not have helped either . This news put the JVC's frame by frame bitmapping update in a good light  - for certain N series that  is ..  

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If Madshi could delete a few functions[ like scaling and the 3d lut cms ] for the projector to handle it may be a bit more palatable pricewise ? That's whats everyone really wants - great HDR bit mapping - otherwise its too similar function wise to a lumagen - but likely superior.. On the other hand it wouldn't have been optimal for my 2 display system anyway with only 1 hdmi input/output that goes after the pre pro ..

The tariff situation would not have helped either . This news put the JVC's frame by frame bitmapping update in a good light  - for certain N series that  is ..  

 

I agree 100% what JVC is doing for its customers is awesome. I’m hoping Panasonic could add that function to its players as well.

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1 minute ago, franin said:

 

I agree 100% what JVC is doing for its customers is awesome. I’m hoping Panasonic could add that function to its players as well.

That would certainly make me give up my ubd 900 Frank :)

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That would certainly make me give up my ubd 900 Frank [emoji4]

 

Since they work closely with JVC this might give them an idea to add it in.

 

Let’s hope they add it in mate give you a good excuse to upgrade default_smile.png

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I was keen on the Envy, but the retail prices announced are insane, completely, and utterly insane! I could spend the delta in money for what they're asking on things which would make a much, much, much bigger improvement for my home theatre than what the Envy would give. Considering I'll get frame by frame DTM on my DLA-N7 for nothing with a simple firmware upgrade, a US$6-10K investment on an Envy is absolute madness for me (and yes I know it'll give me more than that, but free vs US$10k is a pretty big margin) . I could build an absolute BONKERS, BONKERS, BONKERS gaming PC for those prices!!!!! If I want MadVR for my home theatre I'll be building a HTPC at a many, many, many thousands of dollars saving compared to what the Envy costs, inconvenience of setup and maintenance be damned. Seriously I think Madshi and MadVR LLC has misread the market on their release (and I say this as someone who generally has no problem spending big dollars on nice things, see avatar pic). I think I'll be building a HTPC with MadVR for my home theatre now to show him the price he is asking for the Envy is absolutely stupid. 

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Dave don’t worry mate I’m in the same boat after my last purchase. I would love to see a MADVR but I will have to sit on the bench for this one. Unless there able to make the base model $5kAU then I “might” be able get some funds together but close to $10k my mrs will make me sleep in the car.

I’m hearing ya. Ha ha.
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As Madshi has said in the AVS thread, making a DIY HTPC will always be cheaper.

But remember the Envy was created to fill a gap for those that didn't want to build and more importantly learn how to use a HTPC.

 

I don't think you can compare DIY to a proprietary consumer product,  especially considering:

"Not to forget all kinds of license fees (e.g. for HDCP), costs for warranty repairs, support costs, CE certification, costs for legal stuff, accounting, designers etc etc etc. It's frightening how many types of costs add up to what starts as a seemingly modest amount of hardware parts."

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With this Madvr excitement going on I’m curious to see it in action. Ive noticed some people build their own pc. Now I’m a Noob when it comes to all this but are the Pc fitted with 4k players ?
I went to go and ask the local PC shop and asked them about HTPC and Madvr in which I got a blank stare. So where does one start ? Is their anybody in WA who know how to build the correct PC ?

Thanks

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2 hours ago, franin said:

With this Madvr excitement going on I’m curious to see it in action. Ive noticed some people build their own pc. Now I’m a Noob when it comes to all this but are the Pc fitted with 4k players ?
I went to go and ask the local PC shop and asked them about HTPC and Madvr in which I got a blank stare. So where does one start ? Is their anybody in WA who know how to build the correct PC ?

Thanks

Wouldn't a mid-high end 'gaming' pc be the go, use whatever case you want? I built a HTPC years ago with a i5 4690, GTX 1060 and 16GB ram in a silverstone GD-07 then installed MPC-BE and Madvr.

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Wouldn't a mid-high end 'gaming' pc be the go, use whatever case you want? I built a HTPC years ago with a i5 4690, GTX 1060 and 16GB ram in a silverstone GD-07 then installed MPC-BE and Madvr.


Hi there as my previous post I’m unsure in what to do but thanks anyway
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Hi there as my previous post I’m unsure in what to do but thanks anyway

Best guide is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2364113-guide-building-4k-htpc-madvr.html

Everything you need. Obviously being a US site the buying recommendations, pricing etc will all be wrong but use that as a guide and then source the parts. Not sure about WA but places like PC Case Gear, Umart, MSY are your friend but you’ll need to put things together yourself (plenty of good guides online on that and it’s good fun).

Also bear in mind there’s a fair bit of complexity that comes with a HTPC. I gave up on them after several years and now run a dedicated server (that’s quite stable) and things like Apple TVs and NVidia shields around the house. My wife and kids just have 0 tolerance for tinkering and problems. Most of the issues come from the software side of the fence, Windows just isn’t built for this purpose and you will have issues.

That said, if you’re patient enough, have a backup plan and want the best result (and don’t want to spend what looks like 10k for an Envy) then it’s your best bet.
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Best guide is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2364113-guide-building-4k-htpc-madvr.html

Everything you need. Obviously being a US site the buying recommendations, pricing etc will all be wrong but use that as a guide and then source the parts. Not sure about WA but places like PC Case Gear, Umart, MSY are your friend but you’ll need to put things together yourself (plenty of good guides online on that and it’s good fun).

Also bear in mind there’s a fair bit of complexity that comes with a HTPC. I gave up on them after several years and now run a dedicated server (that’s quite stable) and things like Apple TVs and NVidia shields around the house. My wife and kids just have 0 tolerance for tinkering and problems. Most of the issues come from the software side of the fence, Windows just isn’t built for this purpose and you will have issues.

That said, if you’re patient enough, have a backup plan and want the best result (and don’t want to spend what looks like 10k for an Envy) then it’s your best bet.


Thank you for your reply. Will look into it but I will wait to see what madvr will come at in Aus before I take the plunge.
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