poppybob Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 yep frame by frame is what you want [emoji4] just follow the video for setup as i pointed you to PB [emoji4][emoji1474] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppybob Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 [emoji1474] Projector has arrived. Can’t have it installed until Tuesday [emoji20]. Man it’s a monster compared to the x9900, which is packed and ready to go to its new home in Canberra. It’ll be the first weekend in many years that not able to watch a movie. Got the new Lion King which looked good on my OLED can only imagine what it will look like on the N7 on a 125 inch screen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 01/10/2019 at 9:24 PM, betty boop said: well good timing as a new N7 arrived in time for moving on my x7000 UNPACKING Firstly I have to say JVC have VERY much beefed up the packaging on this new JVC series the polystyrene is very thick and solid and far more enveloping that on previous xXX00 series. I know as I could see one vs the other... side by side. 2ndly .... flipping eck ! these new JVC N series are a beast ! not only in size but also weight... MOUNTING I kid you not ... it took some extra care in lifting up onto mount and had to even make sure took one extra step up the ladder as there was no ways be lifting this thing up above my head ! the peerless mount also JUST takes this projector. It is SO front heavy the gear for up down tilt really dont have the heft to raise... ie will raise and then drop. I found I had to hand lift the front end to help the lift while adjusting and then LOCK in place with the locking screw ! but I was able to align to absolute perfection ...infact far better than did with the previous gen...perhaps should have done the same with those too. and mounted one look at these they remind me more off CRTs of old with their heft ! no nothing like the massive behemoths that old NEC CRT projectors were but we are getting up there in the limits I think of how big comfortable with in a projector in homely surrounds am not so sure a fan of this matt finish on the projector though...loved the porsche black on the x7000 but then I suppose for HT duties a non reflective coating on the N7 is likely more suitable ... but I suspect also harder to keep clean with dust and such. No different in hook up vs older gen JVC. just notice the 3D emitter turns around 90 deg fitting in more snugly which is a good thing rather than poking out. FIRING UP IT seems to fire up differently with no doubt the eco mode in effect. ie first hit of on button seems to wake from slumber 2nd actually switches on by default it fires up pretty loudly ! which is a bit of a worry...but i notice factory setting is obviously high lamp. so move across to low lamp as no real need to run on high. instantly it is as quiet or if not slightly more quiet than my x7000 it seems to have firmware 2.09 hdmi synch seems far quicker but its still got some delay in latching on. not that synch delay is a bother as tend to get my self settled anyways which is usually longer than projector doing its thing. checking and setting focus this looks sharp ! . no convergence is not perfect... but then dont expect it to be with a 3 chip machine its never going to be perfectly aligned. am not one who believes in mucking with convergence and taking about step and half away from screen it looks great so leaving well alone. in aligning screen the motors sound quite different... not sure what have changed but lens adjustment seems far more controlled. What I will say straight up though this is probably THE best out of box experience i have had with a projector ... these are it seems pretty much good to go. super impressed with how good looks just out of box with two discs I tried in The American on blu-ray and the shallows on uhd. OUT OF BOX SETTINGS - BLU-RAY A quick check of setting shows that for blu-ray by default is is using for blu-ray "natural" and BT709 colour profile 6500k color temp and 2.2 gamma MPC level is engaged with GRaphic mode : standard, enhance 5, smoothing 2 and NR 0 Motion control has latency off, CMD low and Motion enhance Low the iris/apperture also is wide open out of box... which is pretty standard, iris i noted was on manual I did some basic check on iris/apperture am getting 34 FC on low lamp , dialled that back for blu-ray however noticed -12 gave me 17fc and if dropped to -11 I would get 13fc ...so left on -12 iris moved across to Auto 2 did some basic adjustments with calibration disc. nothing much and tested with a few blu-rays in the american, brooklyn and mr and mrs smith. Super impressed with how comes up with some pretty basic setup. I noticed the MPC setup in turning on and off introduce some effect in use... noticed this in the american. so decided to switch all MPC to off. also turn off all CMD effects incase that was doing something as well. never been a fan of motion improving schemes... OUT OF BOX SETTINGS - UHD BLU-RAY switching over to UHD here really just checked for output on low and getting about 34FL which his great on low lamp for my setup, switched across from HDR to using the filter BT2020 (not seeing big drop in using the filter), also moved iris across to auto 2 did literally nothing else popped in the shallows uhd again and this too is looking great ! in last couple of days have also checked out the uhd's Allied, mad max fury road, life of pi, billy lynn, interstellar and the revenant. CONCLUSIONS Some conclusions .... I am not going to say N7 is a huge step up, especially considering it retails for some 50% more ! than x7000 did. selling the x7000 did ease some pain though... and id say on balance you are looking at some definite gains ... mainly i would say in stability of image and clarity and how good the tone mapping is and it does work great it would seem and even well with say life of pi where it is missing meta data. I look forward to seeing how well the scene by scene tone mapping works in next firmware release. so we are looking at some 20-25% up in gains over previous gen i would suggest in pure PQ terms if had to put a number on it. but id be hesitant to say much more than that. So more incremental than massive step up or anything like that... CONTRAST ... now this was my biggest fear as I absolutely loved the x7000 for this .... especially given the step up it was from previous gen JVC I had and epsons have owned and also experienced more recently. Well some good news here. I am seeing fade to blacks as I remember....AND I am not it would seem missing anything contrast wise. one proviso my room is a non dedicated room so others might experience otherwise...however keep in mind even with conditions i have, i have been able to easily detect difference between previous gen and lower contrast projectors and last jvc i had. so i can only surmise in contrast in my condition atleast i am likely experiencing still a step up from gen before last projectors have owned and others seen, but not a huge drop from the x7000 to notice. what is perhaps making up for things is the stability in picture what appears to be less noise (eg mosquito noise in some sky shots and such - not talking grain) and how step up in sharpness / clarity / detail ? its all swings and round abouts i guess on that there appear to be some lighter corners (not much ) but on up side i notice far far less streaking in scenes where have bright white text vs black background. eg interstellar than what saw on x7000. ps with all the discs i have checked out so far. no green lines or white lines or yellowing or anything like that has been expreiced .... i'll take it ... its either my setup and condition are such or material used or just plain luck who knows but am not seeing or seen as yet any problems some might have reported with these. so fingers crossed but will keep eyes peeled incase pick anything up like that and if rears head ! IN SUMMARY so all up worth it ? as an incremental upgrade am pleased... and look forward particularly in what comes with future updates to this range Hi Al What Is the distance from your projector to the back wall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Has anyone installed there projector close to the back wall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppybob Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Has anyone installed there projector close to the back wall ? My N7 will be extremely close as I’m using the same bracket as the x9900 and N7 is definitely larger. Will find out early next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 My N7 will be extremely close as I’m using the same bracket as the x9900 and N7 is definitely larger. Will find out early next week. How close would you say Poppybob ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 8 hours ago, franin said: Hi Al What Is the distance from your projector to the back wall ? about 150mm / 6 inches Frank given fan forced I believe no dramas with being close up Frank. unless actually obscuring the vents or air flow wouldn't worry about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppybob Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 How close would you say Poppybob ?I think I may have an issue I only have about 10inches currently from the bracket and I know there is going to be at least 4 or 5 “ over hang, another hole in the ceiling, buggar just had the others fixed and painted black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, betty boop said: about 150mm / 6 inches Frank given fan forced I believe no dramas with being close up Frank. unless actually obscuring the vents or air flow wouldn't worry about it If I put mine in the room it wlll be 100mm from the back. Ive noticed on other forums some members have it closer to the wall they say with no issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, franin said: If I put mine in the room it wlll be 100mm from the back. Ive noticed on other forums some members have it closer to the wall they say with no issues. i wouldn't worry about it 100mm is plenty. that said but given how have setup in separate room, not sure why woudl put in the room. its just one side of wall vs the other id just leave it be... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppybob Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 If I put mine in the room it wlll be 100mm from the back. Ive noticed on other forums some members have it closer to the wall they say with no issues.I agree with Al, unless you completely block the air flow should be fine. I have curtains also which are starting to cause me concerns with dust. I run a filtering unit in my room to try to keep at bay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, betty boop said: i wouldn't worry about it 100mm is plenty. that said but given how have setup in separate room, not sure why woudl put in the room. its just one side of wall vs the other id just leave it be... Well the room the projector sits in doesn’t have aircon and it can get warm on hot days. I don’t watch movies during the day but at night I won’t use it if the room is warm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, franin said: Well the room the projector sits in doesn’t have aircon and it can get warm on hot days. I don’t watch movies during the day but at night I won’t use it if the room is warm. $150 Extraction fan as have in bathrooms frank .. done ... put a temp monitor in room so can keep check though the extraction fan near jvc will extract air make sure somewhere in that room is air inlet from another room that’s at ambient/conditioned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 $150 Extraction fan as have in bathrooms frank .. done ... put a temp monitor in room so can keep check though the extraction fan near jvc will extract air make sure somewhere in that room is air inlet from another room that’s at ambient/conditionedThanks Al I’ll have to look into that. I have a thermometer in the room and it reached 31 Deg in the room during the day when outside hit 39/40 Deg.I do have a shelf put in my room from my wall which is 550mm ( unfortunately Sony made me do it ~ another long story ) not happy to be honest about it.If it’s in the room I noticed last night measuring the base of the projector to the back was only 430mm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, franin said: Thanks Al I’ll have to look into that. I have a thermometer in the room and it reached 31 Deg in the room during the day when outside hit 39/40 Deg. I do have a shelf put in my room from my wall which is 550mm ( unfortunately Sony made me do it ~ another long story ) not happy to be honest about it. If it’s in the room I noticed last night measuring the base of the projector to the back was only 430mm. Hi frank wouldn’t be 31 deg let alone 39-40 in the rest house so extracting from room, sucking air from what is in 20s in room adjoining am sure will keep your projection room in the 20s $150 sparky would put an extraction in . Simple slot grill in door of projection room or simple vent in room to room adjoining would take care of cool air in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Hi frank wouldn’t be 31 deg let alone 39-40 in the rest house so extracting from room, sucking air from what is in 20s in room adjoining am sure will keep your projection room in the 20s $150 sparky would put an extraction in . Simple slot grill in door of projection room or simple vent in room to room adjoining would take care of cool air in [emoji4]The port hole where the projector projects through is open which cold air comes from the theatre room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, franin said: The port hole where the projector projects through is open which cold air comes from the theatre room. That’s one bit done just need extraction fan then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 That’s one bit done [emoji4] just need extraction fan then [emoji4]Our American friends tell me to put a glass in the port hole ??? Why would I do that. Why go through another glass when projecting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, franin said: Our American friends tell me to put a glass in the port hole ??? Why would I do that. Why go through another glass when projecting. Only reason to do so would be to help with noise reduction, if that's an issue for you. Important to use optical quality glass, not just any old crud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Only reason to do so would be to help with noise reduction, if that's an issue for you. Important to use optical quality glass, not just any old crud.That’s okay then no issue with noise on my end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, franin said: That’s okay then no issue with noise on my end. That’s good just putting in the adjoining room would be further enough. Mine is couple metres back and don’t notice noise wise. These are quite quiet projectors anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 That’s one bit done [emoji4] just need extraction fan then [emoji4] Ive been told because my projector is close to one side of the wall ( right side ) the heat from the front will travel down the back which then could be sucked by the projector from the back. Ive had 3 JVC their before no issue. For the time being I went to Jaycar electronics and rigged up 3 fans by trigger to push the air back to the front.I have 200mm distance from the front wall / port hole. 200mm from the ceiling to my projector. Apart from the right wall everything is wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, franin said: Ive been told because my projector is close to one side of the wall ( right side ) the heat from the front will travel down the back which then could be sucked by the projector from the back. Ive had 3 JVC their before no issue. For the time being I went to Jaycar electronics and rigged up 3 fans by trigger to push the air back to the front. I have 200mm distance from the front wall / port hole. 200mm from the ceiling to my projector. Apart from the right wall everything is wide open. I know Craig peer runs ducts off fronts, not sure jvc got a feeling it’s his high lumens dlp meh ... if worried air flow wise just rig up some thin shredded paper strips soon tell you in a flash If any sorta streams of air moving around. My bet the paper streams don’t even move ! as long as ambient temp is in 20s I personally wouldn’t bother ps what else in the room. Is it an equipment room ? Few power amps and things ? Few kws Generating 50% Into heat will add heat load ... if a case I for one would be adding an extraction fan still as minimum can locate it right above the jvc if concerned hot air rises ...will remove any of that in a flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I know Craig peer runs ducts off fronts, not sure jvc got a feeling it’s his high lumens dlp meh ... if worried air flow wise just rig up some thin shredded paper strips soon tell you in a flash If any sorta streams of air moving around. My bet the paper streams don’t even move ! as long as ambient temp is in 20s I personally wouldn’t bother [emoji4] ps what else in the room. Is it an equipment room ? Few power amps and things ? Few kws Generating 50% Into heat will add heat load ... if a case I for one would be adding an extraction fan still as minimum [emoji4] can locate it right above the jvc if concerned [emoji4] hot air rises ...will remove any of that in a flash [emoji4]Will have to run extraction fan. I have 2 Rotel RMB 1585 and a 1552 mk2 and marantz 8805 all with cooling fans above pushing air forward towards the door. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Just now, franin said: Will have to run extraction fan. I have 2 Rotel RMB 1585 and a 1552 mk2 and marantz 8805 all with cooling fans above pushing air forward towards the door. Honestly pop the extraction fan in the ceiling and a slot grill on the door and won’t have any cooling to be worried off 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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