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33 minutes ago, mwhouston said:

But what is the effciency of the two phones?

 

They're Beyerdynamic T1 (1st Gen) in the example FYI. 

The amp in question is this one: https://audio-heritage.jp/SONY-ESPRIT/amp/ta-f555esx.html  (use Chrome to translate the page if necessary).

 

How did you get the 3mW figure anyway?

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15 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

so roughly 0.3 into 600

 

Wouldn't that be severely under powered? With this amp, the volume dial is at 20% with the 600 ohm Beyer T1s connected in the headphone jack and it's so damn loud my ears feel like they're about to explode. 

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On 28/01/2019 at 1:47 PM, mexicoke68 said:

 

Wouldn't that be severely under powered? With this amp, the volume dial is at 20% with the 600 ohm Beyer T1s connected in the headphone jack and it's so damn loud my ears feel like they're about to explode. 

 

The Beyerdynamic T1 have a HIGH sensitivity level of 102dB SPL/V

 

The HIGHER the sensitivity the LESS power required to drive your cans to a loud volume

 

0.03mW will provide your 600Ω headphone 85dB of SPL (Sound Pressure Level a.k.a Listening Loudness)

 

Safe 85 dB SPL  0.14 Vrms   0.23 mA    0.03 mW
Moderate 100 dB SPL   0.79 Vrms  1.32 mA   1.04 mW
Fairly Loud 110 dB SPL  2.51 Vrms  4.18 mA   10.5 mW
Very Loud 115 dB SPL  4.47 Vrms  7.45 mA   33.3 mW
Painful 120 dB SPL  7.94 Vrms  13.23 mA   105.07 mW
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9 hours ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

 

110dB isn’t “fairly loud” , it’s f**king loud.

 

Will-damage-ears loud if you listen at that volume for more than a couple of minutes 

 

Best stick with Safe Mode then ;)

 

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15 hours ago, aasza said:

 

The Beyerdynamic T1 have a HIGH sensitivity level of 102dB SPL/V

 

The HIGHER the sensitivity the LESS power required to drive your cans to a loud volume

 

0.03mW will provide your 600Ω headphone 85dB of SPL (Sound Pressure Level a.k.a Listening Loudness)

 

Safe 85 dB SPL  0.14 Vrms   0.23 mA    0.03 mW
Moderate 100 dB SPL   0.79 Vrms  1.32 mA   1.04 mW
Fairly Loud 110 dB SPL  2.51 Vrms  4.18 mA   10.5 mW
Very Loud 115 dB SPL  4.47 Vrms  7.45 mA   33.3 mW
Painful 120 dB SPL  7.94 Vrms  13.23 mA   105.07 mW

 

Ahh this explains it. I was fooled by thinking high impedance headphones would mean hard to drive. Turns out I got to factor in sensitivity as well? 

 

Could you explain why 85 -> 100 dB SPL results in a massive jump from 0.03mW to 1.04mW, and so on. Why the non-linearity? 

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1 hour ago, mexicoke68 said:

 

Could you explain why 85 -> 100 dB SPL results in a massive jump from 0.03mW to 1.04mW, and so on. Why the non-linearity? 

dBs are a ratio expressed as logarithmic not linear.

 

For power units dB = 10 log(p1/p0)

so

3dB = approx double

10dB = 10 times

15dB = approx 31.6 times

20dB = 100 times

30dB = 1000 times

 

The ear is non linear too.  10dB sounds about double loudness but needs 10 times the power.

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