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Subwoofer down to 20hz or as close as possible

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Looking for a sub that can get as close as possible to 20hz for as little cash as possible. I already have 4 identical subs that sound amazing but barely get down to 30hz.

My setup is Marantz SR7012 AVR, older Mordaunt Short speakers in an 11.1 Auro3D/Atmos layout and 4 Pioneer S-W200 subs in a dedicated theatre.

So looking for one ( or 2 ?) more to complement the system with that extra deep feeling, but the catch is I only have around $600 to spend and I live in remote(ish) country WA so I can't go and audition them before I buy.

Given my meagre budget I am also restricted to 2nd hand (which nearly all of my gear is anyway). The biggest problem I am having is there a re heaps of subs for sale on Gumtree and eBay but it is time consuming looking up their specs and reviews every time I see one that looks like it might be suitable. And there are so many conflicting reviews on each one too.

 

So does anyone know of any subs that can do what I want and that may be available on the 2nd hand market in my range ??

 

On my watchlists so far :

 

Aaron Sub240

Paradigm DSP3100
Paradigm PDR-8 v.3
Kris Seismix 1
Klipsch KSW-15
Martin Logan Dynamo 700
PSB 6i
PSB 5i
Velodyne CHTR12
Sonance Sub10 (x2)
B&W ASW500
Accusiund Reference Series 8.6 XD
Richter Thor Mk1
etc
 
Any of these any good ?

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:welcome: to the forum.

 

Can you please provide a sketch of your room, with dimensions, and where the subs are located. You may be able to improve the bass by measuring the room bass response, playing around with sub locations and using DSP.

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If you are after the low frequency "feeling" for HT can I suggest tactile transducers?  Fit them to the frame of your listening chair and power them up with a cheap Class D amp. You aren't going to be worried about the distortion, but you will find that they certainly provide that ultra deep bass feel of earthquakes, impacts and explosions.

 

These - http://www.daytonaudio.com/index.php/tt25-16-puck-tactile-transducer-mini-bass-shaker.html are under $24 each and can be sourced from an Aussie supplier

 

In practical music there is not much below 30Hz for most material.  Keep your existing subs to provide the audible content and let the tactile transducers do the rest.  Most subs just chuff air at very low frequencies anyway.  Just my 2c worth.

 

As @Snoopy8 suggested.  Try repositioning one or more of the subs within your listening room to see if you can augment the output.  Just bear in mind that you may end up boosting the bass output but it may make music sound boomy and unpleasant to listen to.

 

Cheers,

Alan

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I had thought about Butt-Shakers but dismissed them as "not something I want" for no other reason than I don't want them.

My room is built to Sepmeyer golden ratios and the subs are in the corners and sound great so there is no issue there. I haven't done any measurements yet (will be getting MiniDSP and mic etc ASAP) but REW Room Sim shows a very flat response where they are - in fact it doesn't really matter I do in RoomSim the response looks pretty good. I have moved them around in the room and that seems to confirm RoomSim findings, as there is very little difference no matter where they are.

 

Basically I just want the walls to explode to match the movie explosions :)

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9 minutes ago, niterida said:

I had thought about Butt-Shakers but dismissed them as "not something I want" for no other reason than I don't want them.

My room is built to Sepmeyer golden ratios and the subs are in the corners and sound great so there is no issue there. I haven't done any measurements yet (will be getting MiniDSP and mic etc ASAP) but REW Room Sim shows a very flat response where they are - in fact it doesn't really matter I do in RoomSim the response looks pretty good. I have moved them around in the room and that seems to confirm RoomSim findings, as there is very little difference no matter where they are.

 

Basically I just want the walls to explode to match the movie explosions :)

Here you go.  Buy one of these.  http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au/subs/e3.html

Just 2.5dB down at 10Hz and capable of hearing damaging SPLs.

 

Cheers,

Alan R

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10 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Good you know about REW, please get a UMIK-1 microphone. You have done homework on theoretical responses but you may room modes and modal ringing. Have you read this:

https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/

 

Thanks @Snoopy8 for posting the link.  It's a good read.  :)

 

Cheers,

Alan R.

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20 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Good you know about REW, please get a UMIK-1 microphone. You have done homework on theoretical responses but you may room modes and modal ringing. Have you read this:

https://www.hifizine.com/2011/06/bass-integration-guide-part-1/

 

I have read a few bass setup guides but nothing as detailed as that :)

 

I am happy with my setup but it just doesn't go low enough - I am really only after advice on which subs will go low within my meagre budget - if possible.

 

Cheers

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19 minutes ago, niterida said:

I have read a few bass setup guides but nothing as detailed as that :)

 

I am happy with my setup but it just doesn't go low enough - I am really only after advice on which subs will go low within my meagre budget - if possible.

 

Cheers

It is good to know you have done the homework because most first time posters are often in the dark. Yes, subs which go down lower will help, but without measuring, you will be guessing. 

 

One option is a used SVS SB-1000. Getting a sub which goes down to 20 Hz with your limited budget will be a challenge. Good luck with your hunt.

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If you're handy you could possibly DIY a pair of subs (and grab a 2ndhand PA amp) for a bit over $600(ish) that will reach down to 20hz with authority.

 

Personally I'd grab an SVS PB-1000 while they are on special  (over budget - I know) and save up and grab a 2nd whenever possible

That way you'll have guaranteed performance and 5 years warranty

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