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1 minute ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Clueless for someone who spends nearly an entire day listening to music, reading hi-fi mags and trusting reviewers... 

 

I suggest hop onto the ML site and see for yourself what the improvements are mate. The Statements are exactly what I'm talking about, where the ML team went all out and redesigned the Statements from their previous version. 

 

BTW have you ever heard a ML Statement system?

 

A few "minor" upgrades / improvements from ML along the way:

X-Stat design 

Carbon Alloys

Micro-perf stators

Blade technology frames

High grade ACore transformers, along with High grade Caps & wiring.

DSP engines

Votjko digital filters and engineering

Vacuum bonded panels with the stator and mylar.

Heavily internally braced bass driver cabinets

Carbon alloy woofers

ARC - Anthem room correction systems and the list goes on... 

 

What has ML done? Not much really... Mmm

Looks like a tiny bit, I guess

The statements are regarded the best speakers martin Logan have ever made. Anything after that has taken a step backwards.they should have speakers now that are better than the 90s statement but imho they don’t. I haven’t herd them but know a friend who has and he agrees with me martin Logan haven’t gone forward at all not like magnapan has . Gary the music monster🎶

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BTW G-man this is not about ML. Once again a slight derailment... 

 

If you want to compare ML with Maggies I'm happy to do so anytime anywhere, there's no chance and what's the point? 

 

Comparing and bragging who has the biggest, and the greatest... Is this what SN represents mate? 

 

In which case, sorry I'm not in.

Just stick with the topic of Maggie's and enjoy what you have mate. 

RJ

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5 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Clueless for someone who spends nearly an entire day listening to music, reading hi-fi mags and trusting reviewers... 

 

I suggest hop onto the ML site and see for yourself what the improvements are mate. The Statements are exactly what I'm talking about, where the ML team went all out and redesigned the Statements from their previous version. 

 

BTW have you ever heard a ML Statement system?

 

A few "minor" upgrades / improvements from ML along the way:

X-Stat design 

Carbon Alloys

Micro-perf stators

Blade technology frames

High grade Core transformers, along with High grade Caps & wiring.

DSP engines

Votjko digital filters and engineering

Vacuum bonded panels between the stator and mylar.

Heavily internally braced bass driver cabinets

Carbon alloy woofers

Rigid bolts and reinforced structures to minimise "flapping" of panels. 

ARC - Anthem room correction systems and the list goes on... 

 

What has ML done? Not much really... Mmm

Looks like a tiny bit, I guess

RJ 

 

That is very interesting BUT - and yes I know there is always a but - you need to clarify this by providing a reference point. 

Quoting the above is meaningless without it. What were the speakers like before?

 

The physical differences between the 20.7 and 30.7 is glaringly obvious RJ. And then when one explores even further and notices that the bass panels have magnets on both sides one realises how much of an upgrade this is.

 

Having vacuum bonded panels that have presumably been soaked with Nepalese yak semen might sound really good on the spec sheet but do they give better sound reproduction.

I cant answer that.

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I never brag I have the best, heck I don’t even have anything good to start of with, I just don’t like people putting down magnapans. Gary the music monster 🎶

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Just for fun, I was actually thinking: if mags did put out a new version just now and called it 30.7i and you were freaking out, as is clearly the case... 

 

Head out to Byron Bay and use the bass panels as surf boards!

I know it'll work!

 

Sadly the CLX's didn't work, simply because of the micro-perf stators, far too many holes in them...

Maybe I'll pass this message onto ML and suggest a slight mod. 

Cheers, matey RJ 

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2 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Just for fun, I was actually thinking: if mags did put out a new version just now and called it 30.7i and you were freaking out, as is clearly the case... 

 

Head out to Byron Bay and use the bass panels as surf boards!

I know it'll work!

 

Sadly the CLX's didn't work, simply because of the micro-perf stators, far too many holes in them...

Maybe I'll pass this message onto ML and suggest a slight mod. 

Cheers, matey RJ 

Good idea 😁 Gary the music monster 🎶

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5 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

BTW G-man this is not about ML. Once again a slight derailment... 

 

If you want to compare ML with Maggies I'm happy to do so anytime anywhere, there's no chance and what's the point? 

 

Comparing and bragging who has the biggest, and the greatest... Is this what SN represents mate? 

 

In which case, sorry I'm not in.

Just stick with the topic of Maggie's and enjoy what you have mate. 

RJ

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

I really don't enjoy one upmanship or system superiority. I don't care what people love and use but I detest evangelising one brand to the detriment of any other. Being a fan is very different to being a fanatic. of course many people will have brands they really like ( and I am no exception ) but when this impedes upon reality it really is time to dial back the rhetoric.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, rantan said:

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

I really don't enjoy one upmanship or system superiority. I don't care what people love and use but I detest evangelising one brand to the detriment of any other. Being a fan is very different to being a fanatic. of course many people will have brands they really like ( and I am no exception ) but when this impedes upon reality it really is time to dial back the rhetoric.

I disagree bigdog doesn’t even like Maggie’s but he’s always on this thread complaining about them that there made cheaply, they don’t use quality drivers and so on , I say stick to a martin Logan thread. Gary the music monster 🎶

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2 minutes ago, ghost4man said:

RJ 

 

That is very interesting BUT - and yes I know there is always a but - you need to clarify this by providing a reference point. 

Quoting the above is meaningless without it. What were the speakers like before?

 

The physical differences between the 20.7 and 30.7 is glaringly obvious RJ. And then when one explores even further and notices that the bass panels have magnets on both sides one realises how much of an upgrade this is.

 

Having vacuum bonded panels that have presumably been soaked with Nepalese yak semen might sound really good on the spec sheet but do they give better sound reproduction.

I cant answer that.

Its all on the ML website, including the white papers on the Statements. Why do you think I always head to Spore once a year, and although my mate has the Infinity's IRSv, CLX's, Alsyvox and had Maggies, which were sold off, we always end up listening to the Statements just for that wonderful experience. They are a very high maintenance panel, and require an awful lot of care by a team who knows about such designs. Over the years ML has evolved their materials towards tighter tolerances and far greater rigidness compared to their previous wooden frames. Now their frames are all made from carbon alloy or aircraft grade alloys. The CLX's alone have 6 different alloys in them, that's what makes them special and they've gone a step further towards the mighty Neoliths, which I've also had the pleasure of listening to. It's the Neolith that has now replaced the Statements, simply because the statements are not a viable project. 

 

Remember the Concord? What an amazing aircraft, and what do we have now? Average Boeing's falling out of the sky... 

 

Anyway, enough said, I'm off. 

Have a good one, RJ 

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G-man, just enjoy the music and you'll be fine. Relax and take it easy mate. Life's too short... Remember you're the one who said that? 

 

Cheers and keep smiling 😊

Take a load off bud, RJ

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1 minute ago, Big Dog RJ said:

G-man, just enjoy the music and you'll be fine. Relax and take it easy mate. Life's too short... Remember you're the one who said that? 

 

Cheers and keep smiling 😊

Take a load off bud, RJ

Yes at last I agree with something your saying.😄. Gary the music monster 🎶

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Just now, Yngvi said:

@Music monster You sure love those maggies.

Yes I certainly do. Before these 30.7s I only liked horn speakers especially klipsch, but now I am a Maggie’s fan for life. Gary the music monster 🎶

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6 minutes ago, Music monster said:

Yes I certainly do. Before these 30.7s I only liked horn speakers especially klipsch, but now I am a Maggie’s fan for life. Gary the music monster 🎶

Were you ever a horn fan forever ?

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Posted (edited)

I am definitely a horn fan, in some respects more than magnapans. These two different types of speakers are the only ones that satisfy me, so I am a magnapan and horn speaker fan and lover for life.Gary the music monster 🎶

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1 hour ago, Music monster said:

I’m very happy with the build quality of my 30.7s. I don’t think they're cheaply build at all. They use solid wood, nice grills and quality parts. Gary the music monster 🎶

 

Mmmm but Gary, from the pics I've seen, Magnepan certainly have continued to use the same steel spkr wire connectors & steel fuse holders they've used on all previous models.  They do this because they have always worked on minimising production costs - which is certainly a good thing, as it means they are still in bizniz - but I would've thought for their new, extra expensive top model ... they might have decided to use better quality connectors?  Do you know of any other spkr mfr who uses steel spkr wire connectors?

 

Re. solid wood:

  • yes, the trim pieces are strips of nice-looking solid wood
  • but the frame that holds the driver assemblies in place ... is MDF.

There have been many posts on the Planar Asylum over the last 15 years from folk who have replaced their stock MDF frames with hardwood frames and gotten an improvement in SQ as a result (due, in part, to the stiffness of hardwood, compared to MDF).

 

Having heard some 20.7s a while ago - and some 3.7s recently - I'm very interested in hearing some 30.7s.  To my way of thinking they have a number of advantages over the 20.7:

  • more bass panel area
  • the ribbon cage is on a separate frame - so won't be shaken by bass panel vibrations
  • having the mid/ribbon frame separate to the bass frame means the frames can be placed to be time-aligned
  • also, the ability to toe-in the 2 frames each side to a different degree, towards your ears, is helpful for finessing the sound stage.

 

Andy

 

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