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52 minutes ago, ghost4man said:

I have heard them and they were a very different experience to other Maggie systems I would have to say. 

I haven’t heard the 20.7.  

But I did hear the 1.7 and the 3.7.  A/B comparison. The 1.7 is possible the best bang for buck and if  I though there was a massive difference between the 2 then I would be kidding myself, hence the reason I didn’t see the reason to move up in the Maggie  flat panels range.   The .7 is even so much more entertaining that I could listen to them all day.  Reason is XO components are way different.  Depending on the source material played the 0.7 had that transparency that the artist was in the room.  I’ve never been able to simulate that to this day!

I never considering upgrading to the 3.7 and there’s no need to. If I needed to go for something better it be compression drivers or horns and back to what some refer as “monkey boxes” 

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I saw these on another site, apparently a DIY job.  They look very nice.            

Welcome back music monster 😀

Well my new Mcleans Maggie stands arrived yesterday, from Adelaide. Merry Christmas to me! A two box affair, total weight 30kg, these are not flimsy by any stretch and they are very well finish

3 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

2. The Maggie tweeter at times, can operate on a totally different level compared to the rest of the panel. Mainly because it can go as high as 40+hz...

Times have changed, many dynamic tweeters go far beyond 20kHz these days. My beryllium tweeters go to 50kHz.

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1 minute ago, Ittaku said:

Times have changed, many dynamic tweeters go far beyond 20kHz these days. My beryllium tweeters go to 50kHz.

And they’re  so much easier on the electronic drivers.   So the easier on the electronics the less distortion produced and that’s a fact.

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1 minute ago, Addicted to music said:

And they’re  so much easier on the electronic drivers.   So the easier on the electronics the less distortion produced and that’s a fact.

Indeed. The maggies go down to 1ohm in the tweeter range if I recall correctly. That's seriously hard for most amps, and if you love valves the way I do, it pretty much precludes them.

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1 hour ago, Addicted to music said:

I haven’t heard the 20.7.  

But I did hear the 1.7 and the 3.7.  A/B comparison. The 1.7 is possible the best bang for buck and if  I though there was a massive difference between the 2 then I would be kidding myself, hence the reason I didn’t see the reason to move up in the Maggie  flat panels range.   The .7 is even so much more entertaining that I could listen to them all day.  Reason is XO components are way different.  Depending on the source material played the 0.7 had that transparency that the artist was in the room.  I’ve never been able to simulate that to this day!

I never considering upgrading to the 3.7 and there’s no need to. If I needed to go for something better it be compression drivers or horns and back to what some refer as “monkey boxes” 

I have heard the 20.7s and they excel. Unfortunately this was not one of those moments. 

 

The best Maggie moment for me was in Bills shop with a pair of .7s, La Scala DAC, micro rendu, and Sanders Magtech. 

 

It was liquid with the blackest of velvet background. 

 

Get the amplification right and you are halfway there with Maggie's. Most people don't and never do. 

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Yes rj very much so.i won’t be benchmarking anything against my klipsch speakers but want a different sound that also sounds good to me.your right they may not be right for me that’s why I had to purchase 1.7s to hear in my room to decide. Martin Logans definitely don’t sound coloured at all and are very natural sounding speakers.i bought my McIntosh amplifier after a listen with it thru Logan’s prodigy it sounded very good.i like your clxs art and I’m sure they sound surberb but they need to be plugged in to power wall this would be fine if it was my main system but as a second system I would have to run long power cords so that’s the reason I changed my mind on them.im not in a hurry I will found something I’m also looking into genesis speakers I like the forte no one brings them into Australia but can buy from Thailand or HongKong.no need to listen to them I herd them before and they were excellent. Thanks rj a pleasure taking to you.gary

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13 hours ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi everybody I purchased a pair of magnapans 1.7i to play it safe.i wanna find out how they sound in my room with my equipment. I had a listen to Peters 20.7 they were good but sounded different to what I expected,completely different sized room and acoustics.should I like the sound of these in my room I will purchase a pair of 30.7s.cheers gary 

I discovered the setting on my subs were set for a low bass recording, resulting in muddy bass on most other recordings.  

 

Perspective is amazing.  I heard the ML Neolith and CLX on the same day in different rooms.  I found the Neolith too bright and the CLX too dull.  System set up is critical. 

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Yes on the CLX's and infact the Neoliths as well, not only room acoustics but partnering gear, amplifiers are VERY critical. 

Jonathan Valin (Stereophile) now uses the CLX's as his stat and panel reference speakers. He was using the Quad ESL 2905 for many years but after the truth in sound of the CLX's, he just had to get them!

 

I've heard the Neoliths as well, very briefly in Spore, they were way too bass heavy for me, I just prefer full range stats, the coherency and overall balance are perfect, although JV claims that the bass was not low enough for his reference point... That's the only point I disagree with JV, everything else he states in his review is spot on! 

 

Anyway, getting back to the OP, I don't think Gary would be happy with Maggie's. After all he's previously had ProAc's and currently uses Klipsch horns. These are not ordinary horns, and Klipsch will sing! I also sincerely believe that both these brands are a notch above Maggie's, just my personal opinion having experienced all three for many years... 

However, since I'm a panel nut, at the end I would obviously prefer Maggie's. Having had experience with them and for them to sound right does take a while.

Personal experiences are very important and only Gary's ears are the final judge not ours. Ours are only a guideline...

RJ 

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5 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Jonathan Valin (Stereophile)

has been at The Absolute Sound for at least ten years, hasn't he? What have I missed?

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8 hours ago, Gary janezic said:

Yes rj very much so.  i won’t be benchmarking anything against my klipsch speakers but want a different sound that also sounds good to me.  you're right they may not be right for me that’s why I had to purchase 1.7s to hear in my room to decide.

 

What you've done seems eminently reasonable to me, Gary.  Pity that you don't have a good feeling about Maggies.  :(  Given you and I are both in Melbourne, perhaps you might like to come to Richmond (again!) and have a listen to my Maggie setup.  I don't think they sound 'coloured' - and since someone who listened to them, who plays the violin, said that violins did sound like violins ... I think I must be right.  :)

 

PM me if you're interested.  btw, my room is 3.6m x 5.8m (12' x 19') - as against your 15' x 25'.

 

Andy

 

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12 minutes ago, Eggcup The Daft said:

has been at The Absolute Sound for at least ten years, hasn't he? What have I missed?

Sorry mate, my mistake. 

Yes it's TAS not Stereophile, I always get the dam two mixed up. At the time I was posting on SN I had an issue of Stereophile in my lap... 

 

The TAS report by JV was done on 01 Feb 2009, it's an excellent review and one that gives you a full spectrum of what the CLX's are capable of. 

 

The only tiff I have with JV is the bass claims... They can do bass in the most natural way possible. The speed and articulation in the bass is in a class of its own. Even the actual open bass note from a double bass or bad strings do not go any lower than 45hz. And the CLX's are well capable of that range. Hence, if JV wants to use subs to augment the bass so be it. I won't argue this further with JV after all the CLX's are now his reference stats. 

 

Getting back to the OP Gary, I think Maggie's are definitely not it. 

Have a good one all, RJ 

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9 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

What you've done seems eminently reasonable to me, Gary.  Pity that you don't have a good feeling about Maggies.  :(  Given you and I are both in Melbourne, perhaps you might like to come to Richmond (again!) and have a listen to my Maggie setup.  I don't think they sound 'coloured' - and since someone who listened to them, who plays the violin, said that violins did sound like violins ... I think I must be right.  :)

 

PM me if you're interested.  btw, my room is 3.6m x 5.8m (12' x 19') - as against your 15' x 25'.

 

Andy

 

I think sometimes Andy not having any expectations or reduced one's isn't such a bad thing. 

 

We both know that if Gary gets the amplification right he's half way there. 

 

Room is a big factor as well. 

 

I'm not sure what the relevance here is to JV. He spoke very very highly of the 30.7s so it must hold true that he still has a soft spot for maggies. 

 

Maggie's aren't for everyone. But then again neither is any other speaker. 

 

I love them. When you get all the elements right very little touch them and when they do you are up for big big dollars. That's the key. 

 

They are very very different to any box speaker I have heard. They have this air about them which is very unique and when coupled by that wall of sound is damn near unbearable. 

 

Just my take. 

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1 minute ago, Big Dog RJ said:

The speed and articulation in the bass is in a class of its own. Even the actual open bass note from a double bass or bad strings do not go any lower than 45hz

Bass guitar goes down to around 41Hz.

Some of the baroque recordings I have have instruments that go below 35 Hz. True, harmonics are often enough to tell us what the bass note is, and are essential to imaging for bass instruments as well, but it's still better to have the proper weight of the original instrument if you can.

 

Going lower often tells you about the acoustic of the room or hall where a recording has taken place. Going from 40Hz -6db to 35Hz "flat" in specification (when I switched to floorstanders) made a real difference to my system, and that's even with bass issues in the room and less than optimal placing in a living room.

 

The "how far down do instruments go" really only gives you a starting point for fidelity to a performance. There's more to it.

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Andy thanks for invite. I have 1.7i comeing next week I will give these a listen should I find them to my liking I will pm you for a listen just give me time to run them in.I will let know when I’m ready.they might not be coloured that was my impression on that day.they still had a good sound And I am still interested in them but wanna make sure.i didn’t hear any music that’s very familiar to me I had CD with me but peter doesn’t play cds and he mentioned he had subwoofers set to a low bass recording and with other music it dulls and muddys the sound.we all  know music can sound different from day to day and humidity plays a part in sound quality as well.on another day they might sound surberb but I’m not yet convinced enough.cheeres.

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53 minutes ago, Gary janezic said:

Andy thanks for invite. I have 1.7i comeing next week I will give these a listen should I find them to my liking I will pm you for a listen just give me time to run them in.I will let know when I’m ready.they might not be coloured that was my impression on that day.they still had a good sound And I am still interested in them but wanna make sure.i didn’t hear any music that’s very familiar to me I had CD with me but peter doesn’t play cds and he mentioned he had subwoofers set to a low bass recording and with other music it dulls and muddys the sound.we all  know music can sound different from day to day and humidity plays a part in sound quality as well.on another day they might sound surberb but I’m not yet convinced enough.cheeres.

 

That's fine with me, Gary.  :thumb:

 

I do play CDs - although my CDP is not up to the same level as my vinyl setup.  But one thing that makes it good is that, unlike people who take the analogue output from their CDPs to feed a preamp - and then, if they use a digital XO in their system, do an A2D conversion - I feed the digital output of my CDP directly into my miniDSP ... so save a D2A plus A2D conversion.

 

And my subs are set so that they do not muddy the sound (as I roll off my Maggie bass panels to match the roll on of the subs).

 

Andy

 

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19 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

 

The only tiff I have with JV is the bass claims... They can do bass in the most natural way possible. The speed and articulation in the bass is in a class of its own. Even the actual open bass note from a double bass or bad strings do not go any lower than 45hz. And the CLX's are well capable of that range. Hence, if JV wants to use subs to augment the bass so be it. I won't argue this further with JV after all the CLX's are now his reference stats. 

 

Getting back to the OP Gary, I think Maggie's are definitely not it. 

Have a good one all, RJ 

I think you might be behind the times with JV's reviews.  His planar speaker reference is the Maggie 30.7 which he claims is the biggest bargain in highend audio.  My 20.7s are no more colored than any other MG 20.7.

 

I did not like the sound of the 20.7 in Bill's shop.  They were too colored in the shop (dry and flat).  I think the prevalent color in Australia is dry sound.  My bias is sweet sound because it plays vocals best and gives more body and bloom (which is often mistaken for noise).  I don't comment on the shortcomings of private systems, unless asked for an opinion.  

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Maybe, but he still has the CLX's as his main reference for stats. 

 

The last time I listened to a MG20.7 system in NSW was awful. Not because of the planar ribbons, which I think are wonderful speakers for the value, rather there were issues with the ribbons which the owner wasn't even aware of....

1. Twisted tweeter element, means the tweeter needs to be changed asap! The tweeter must remain straight all the way from top to bottom. 

2. Mid-range fuses blown, didn't even know... 

3. Left channel tweeter blown, very very small break in the middle, unnoticeable unless you blew into the tweeter.

4. The tube preamp he was using had old tubes that needed changing. No sparkle, no transients, no realism. 

 

I showed him these flaws and he thanked me for it. I've come across numerous systems like these where the owners themselves were not aware of something had gone wrong because they're so used to their usual sound, they need a different set of golden ears to figure it out. 

 

Points noted in your post, and yes I'm aware that JV uses the 30.7, good for him! 

Cheers mate, and enjoy the music. 

RJ 

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The best Maggie system I have listened to in Aus to date, is John Hall's MG3.7i.

John is also the repair guru of Quads and so when those ribbon tweeters are sagging John knows exactly what do to in order for them to sound optimal. 

The other Maggie system was back in 2000, MG20.1 driven with a full range CJ monoblock system, which happened to be our very own! Until the Apogee Divas replaced them. 

Cheers to Maggie's and their tremendous value in real highend quality at its best! 

RJ 

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1 hour ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Maybe, but he still has the CLX's as his main reference for stats. 

 

The last time I listened to a MG20.7 system in NSW was awful. Not because of the planar ribbons, which I think are wonderful speakers for the value, rather there were issues with the ribbons which the owner wasn't even aware of....

1. Twisted tweeter element, means the tweeter needs to be changed asap! The tweeter must remain straight all the way from top to bottom. 

2. Mid-range fuses blown, didn't even know... 

3. Left channel tweeter blown, very very small break in the middle, unnoticeable unless you blew into the tweeter.

4. The tube preamp he was using had old tubes that needed changing. No sparkle, no transients, no realism. 

 

I showed him these flaws and he thanked me for it. I've come across numerous systems like these where the owners themselves were not aware of something had gone wrong because they're so used to their usual sound, they need a different set of golden ears to figure it out. 

 

Points noted in your post, and yes I'm aware that JV uses the 30.7, good for him! 

Cheers mate, and enjoy the music. 

RJ 

RJ, 

 

With respect but how could the owner possibly not hear these problems?? 

 

If he didn't then I would suggest he has bigger problems then damaged drivers. 

 

Its very easy to pick up on issues in Maggie systems. They tend to be brutal in how revealing they are. 

 

I think Peter's impressions of the 20.7s in Bills shop is unsurprising. It's not actually what I would call room friendly for that speaker. 

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I know mate, this is the thing I just fathom... 

Sometimes they're so into it and lost... They don't realize the issues and these are the most simple to fix! The chap who I helped in Sydney actually cried when I helped him out. 

 

If Bill Mac is the main importer and his room is not up-to pat, I wonder at times whether he's the right person to represent Magnepan. 

 

When John had his Quads ESL2905 he was driving them with an ARC Ref75 and it sounded wonderful! After he went through the same Quad disaster as I did, he changed over to the MG3.7i. The ARCref75 couldn't drive the Maggie's effectively hence he changed over to the Magtech amp and it sounds very very good! 

 

In all the issues I've had with Maggie's, and other ribbons, no matter what, Maggie's will always be my all time favorite ribbon transducer. They are simply outstanding in value, nothing can touch them and they are built with a purpose, to reproduce the best in natural recordings. 

 

Others such as Analysis Ribbons, and Apogee's are above in performance but they are a pain in the butt to get going and maintain in the long run. 

 

Now that I'm using CLX's which were my dream speakers, I've finally achieved that! But it sure wasn't an easy ride... Very expensive and time consuming to get a pair but at least now I can sit back and enjoy what matters most, the music! These are my final speakers, although perhaps as a second system, I really wouldn't mind a nice pair of MG3.7i's.

 

I think when Gary finally gets his pair of 1.7i's, with proper set up and careful placement, he should find these ribbons quite amazing. I would hope... 

Cheers to all, and enjoy those panels! 

RJ  

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7 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

I think when Gary finally gets his pair of 1.7i's, with proper set up and careful placement, he should find these ribbons quite amazing. I would hope... 

Cheers to all, and enjoy those panels! 

RJ  

 

Now, now, RJ - you seem to have entered the Magnepan "PR alternate universe".  Magnepan made their name as a hi-end spkr mfr (albeit at a 'non hi-end' price) when they introduced the true ribbon - which I think happened with the MG-III.  The 5'-long Maggie true-ribbon is, as you say, a wonderful transducer - but it should never be confused with their "quasi-ribbon" drivers ... which are merely Al foil stuck to a mylar sheet.

 

The way I see it - Magnepan called this technology "quasi ribbon" so they could trade off the public's acceptance of the true-ribbon as a special transducer.  This confused the public - so Maggies which use quasi-ribbon construction get called "ribbon speakers"!  :(

 

1.7s are not - IMO, anyway - "ribbon speakers"; they employ Al-foil-on-mylar.  They are planar magnetic speakers ... with the drivers consisting of 1/8" Al foil glued to a mylar sheet.  Their tweeter is not a true-ribbon ... hence they don't do the top end like true-ribbon Maggies can.  You have to go up to at least the 3.7, to get a true-ribbon tweeter.

 

Andy

 

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33 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

...Now that I'm using CLX's which were my dream speakers, I've finally achieved that! But it sure wasn't an easy ride... Very expensive and time consuming to get a pair but at least now I can sit back and enjoy what matters most, the music! These are my final speakers, although perhaps as a second system, I really wouldn't mind a nice pair of MG3.7i's....

Thanks for sharing your hard won experience RJ.  

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That's very true Andy, no doubt! 

 

Hence when I started with the MGIIIa back in 86, I knew straight away what Jim Whiney wanted to achieve and what he was onto. That sound as an initial experience was marvelous! Nothing could compare, even the much older Apogee's, like I said needed some hefty beef to even make them sneeze! But with Maggie's any tube amp with solid power supplies rated around the 70-100w mark could make Maggie's play beautiful music. I kept the CJ premier 11a for many years, went through various systems in and out over the years... Infinity's, Genesis, Wilson's, Quads, Paradigms, Martin Logan hybrids and some I can't even remember. Bi-amped, even tri-amped at one point but nothing was as pure as driving Maggie's full range with just a pair of high quality amplification or in stereo mode. 

The CLX's is a very long long journey of hardships and hard times, at one point I tend to wonder if it was worth it... 

 

At least now I'm enjoying the music once again. 

 

I strongly believe that Gary did not get to experience the full potential of Maggie's and what a true ribbon tweeter can do. It's S shame the 20.7's were not up-to his expectations. I'm hoping that he will find his second pair of speakers soon. 

 

Cheers to all, RJ 

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3 hours ago, andyr said:

 

Now, now, RJ - you seem to have entered the Magnepan "PR alternate universe".  Magnepan made their name as a hi-end spkr mfr (albeit at a 'non hi-end' price) when they introduced the true ribbon - which I think happened with the MG-III.  The 5'-long Maggie true-ribbon is, as you say, a wonderful transducer - but it should never be confused with their "quasi-ribbon" drivers ... which are merely Al foil stuck to a mylar sheet.

 

The way I see it - Magnepan called this technology "quasi ribbon" so they could trade off the public's acceptance of the true-ribbon as a special transducer.  This confused the public - so Maggies which use quasi-ribbon construction get called "ribbon speakers"!  :(

 

1.7s are not - IMO, anyway - "ribbon speakers"; they employ Al-foil-on-mylar.  They are planar magnetic speakers ... with the drivers consisting of 1/8" Al foil glued to a mylar sheet.  Their tweeter is not a true-ribbon ... hence they don't do the top end like true-ribbon Maggies can.  You have to go up to at least the 3.7, to get a true-ribbon tweeter.

 

Andy

 

Or pretty much any of the 3 series Maggie's which employed the TR Andy. Alternatively you could go back to the Tympani multi panels which to my mind remain the best, excluding the 30.7s of course. Just on the subject of the latest iteration it is a known fact that they are a return to the Tympanis which will guide you as to how good they are. Insert a TR onto one of these and you have something special. The amp to my mind is the key. 

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Damn.  Both my tweeters are gone.  Big Dog is right about the tweeters being delicate.  I wonder if I broke them by the overhead fans or whether that just conked out.  

 

This throws a whole lot of spanners in the works :(

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20 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

Damn.  Both my tweeters are gone.  Big Dog is right about the tweeters being delicate.  I wonder if I broke them by the overhead fans or whether that just conked out.  

 

This throws a whole lot of spanners in the works :(

That's pretty rough, are they twisted or are they teared?

Hope the fix isn't too painful, I know how hard you've worked to get your system where you want it.

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At least I respect the fact that you've admitted I was right, thanks for that.

 

As I said before, I've got the hands on experience with Maggie's since 86, and I've replaced tweeter ribbons over a dozen times. I can do the tweeter replacements with my eyes closed! 

 

I will say though, you have to be completely sober and have a very strong neck... Because after all the close bending over the tweeter element, this will cause a stiff neck after all the gluing in a zigzag format which the ribbon must be glued back on. You can also remove the entire tweeter element out and un-clip the positive / negative terminals, then lay the whole element on a flat bench, say a prayer and hope for the best! 

 

You can order the ribbon tweeter replacements kit from Bill, I think they cost around $200 or slightly more. It's been a few decades since I ordered a kit. Once replaced it's good to go for a few years, that's the beauty of Maggie's, they're quite durable, it's just the ribbon tweeters that are unbelievably fragile. 

 

Cheers to all and trust you've checked your tweeters and fuses.

Have a good one, RJ 

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Not to GruvyGuru, 

This can be easily fixed and once you get it going, it will be marvelous!

 

Just a thought, also check your tubes in your preamp... They may also require changing.

After you've fixed the tweeters and replaced tubes with fresh ones, those 20.7's should be SOTA! 

 

Let me know how it all goes, cheers RJ 

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Andy this explains why I didn’t like Peters’s 20.7s now I have intrest in them again but worry about the fragile tweeters in them. Regards gary.

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1 hour ago, GroovyGuru said:

Damn.  Both my tweeters are gone.  Big Dog is right about the tweeters being delicate.  I wonder if I broke them by the overhead fans or whether that just conked out.  

 

This throws a whole lot of spanners in the works :(

 

That's terrible, Peter!  :(

 

From my experience - when I found a ribbon blown, a few months after setting up my system in the new house - your ceiling fans may well be the culprit.  (In my case, I think it was a breeze from the open door near my RHS panels.)

 

If you want to come over, you can borrow the plastic pipe which I used to send my ribbons up to Bill.  The pair of them fit inside and there are end caps which you use duct tape to fix on each end.

 

Andy

 

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15 minutes ago, Gary janezic said:

Andy this explains why I didn’t like Peters’s 20.7s now I have intrest in them again but worry about the fragile tweeters in them. Regards gary.

 

Yes they are fragile - but I've only had to replace ribbons twice ... in over 25 years of true-ribbon usage.

 

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I would actually like to learn how to do the repair of the ribbons.

 

It would be a useful skill to have.

They are a stupendously good tweeter when they work that much I know.

 

Checked my IIIAs and they definitely have a sag to them :)

 

 

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I don’t think I would be able to buy a pair because we have evaporated cooling this sucks all the air out to a window that’s open I think it will break the ribbons in the 30.7.😭

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13 minutes ago, Gary janezic said:

I don’t think I would be able to buy a pair because we have evaporated cooling this sucks all the air out to a window that’s open I think it will break the ribbons in the 30.7.😭

Gary, it pays to be cautious mate but seriously I don't think you have to worry too much.

I have my IIIAs upstairs and my Tympani 1Ds with ribbons to them as well with windows open. I am not using the IIIAs upstairs at the minute so I leave the magnetic protective strip

to cover them until they get used.

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3 hours ago, Martykt said:

That's pretty rough, are they twisted or are they teared?

Hope the fix isn't too painful, I know how hard you've worked to get your system where you want it.

They are torn.  I have a bad feeling it's the overhead fans I use in summer.  

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You don't have to send the tweeter element for repairs, you can do this yourself. It will also help to learn how to do that in the future when it requires replacing, which it Will, you'll know exactly how. 

 

In the tweeter replacement kit, they also send along some spares for trial. This helps tremendously to get a feel of what you're dealing with. Trust me you WILL break these spares because that's the only way to learn. It allows you to know how much tension to pull the ribbons and how far to glue them in the zigzag recommended pattern. Just follow the instructions and you will get an idea of how to complete a proper tweeter replacement. 

 

At the end the tweeter MUST be tight and dead straight from top to bottom. 

Over the years of usage, you will begin to see sagging, then twisting, and finally break somewhere along either the middle or top ends. Sometimes it depends on how well the tweeter was originally placed, if the tech guy at the factory did an excellent job, then the tweeter will remain straight all the way for quite a while.

 

Magnepan does not tell you this upfront but after a few years of usage, the owner gets accustomed to it. Others move on, which is what I did...

 

Nonetheless they still represent the best value in highend.

Cheers, I'm off RJ 

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