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Another point I must add, all Maggie's with the true ribbon tweeter elements are VERY fragile, such that they can break easily even during transport or when unpacking. So if you're not experienced with how to handle a large ribbon panel like Magneplanars, my best advice is to move onto Analysis Audio ribbons, they're far much stronger than any of the Maggie's but they do cost a lot. 

 

After our CJ dealership and the most amount of CJ gear we sold was actually though Maggie demo's, we moved onto Apogee's. Used the big Diva's full range for many years, until 2015, pops was getting too old to maintain them and I had already migrated to Aus.

 

Just on an important note, both the design tech chief and Marge did mention to me that the majority of my issues I had with the tweeter ribbons was also partly due to being located in the tropics! Hence, this is another reason why the Quads failed miserably, the only ribbon panels that last a while at least, we're the Apogee's.

 

Anyway, the Maggie's were one ribbon panel type speaker, being a true dipole, they were quite marvelous at what they could do with the right amplification.

Cheers to Maggie's! RJ  

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I saw these on another site, apparently a DIY job.  They look very nice.            

Welcome back music monster 😀

Well my new Mcleans Maggie stands arrived yesterday, from Adelaide. Merry Christmas to me! A two box affair, total weight 30kg, these are not flimsy by any stretch and they are very well finish

20 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

I've used Maggie's since 1986, several versions thereafter and each model up the chain was an improvement over the other. As time went by, nearly every model we had, except for the MG3.6 & 20, required tweeter replacements. So this is not a "myth" it is reality mate!

 

I must mention the following:

1. MGIIIa-  had the mid-range fuses blown on both panels when we took them as a trade in for Quads, purchased used. The previous owner was so deaf that he had no clue that both mid-range panels weren't working, Ha! 

 

2. MG3.3/r - had a blown tweeter element during the demo! I bought the pair as is, and did the tweeter replacements myself, with the help of our techie. 

 

3. MG3.5/r- used for a good period of two years, until one side tweeter blew, and the other started sagging... Hence, needed replacing anyway. Once they were replaced, all worked perfectly.

 

4. MG3.6- no issues, as this model was brand new and sold off to customer within the first week they arrived, after demoing with top of the line CJ amplification (premier 8A monoblocks-300w mono's, plus the ART preamp). 

 

5. MG20- again no issues, and sold off to the same customer who previously bought the MG3.6

 

So as you can clearly see, we've owned five different versions of Maggie's out of which three models required tweeter replacements. The tweeter replacements is NOT a big deal. It's quite normal for the technology and materials used to create the true ribbon line source. 

 

The true ribbon is only 1/10 of a human hair, virtually lighter than the air in front of it! At the speed and agility the ribbon element moves, as someone with first hand experience already commented, it will stress out at one point and has to give way. This is not a "quasi ribbon " where now Magnepan has incorporated into all their newer models. Therefore, the older panels all had the more natural ribbon tech, and a true ribbon for all tweeters, hence this is the price we pay for this madness. 

 

Now, Maggie's have evolved a long way, better materials, better crossovers, better internal parts, plus quasi ribbons in all their latest offerings. The tweeters still remain the same but are built slightly more rigid compared to the much older versions.

 

By the way I have also visited the factory in Minnesota, White Bear Lake. I've met with the design team and have been in touch with Anthony and Margaret Roush, who's daughter now works for the company, that's one full generation of employee's!

 

If it is a myth and not to be taken seriously, then you tell me why does Magnepan address the tweeter replacement procedure in all their user manuals?

Onto to you Mr. Ghost4man...

@Big Dog RJ

I am not suggesting that a ribbon tweeter will never have to be replaced BUT there will always be a reason for the replacement.

These ribbons are not like a car which requires an oil change every 20, 000Km. To use this analogy further, a lot of the older cars required a timing chain change at the recommended 80,000 Km. Are you suggesting that ribbons have a life span requiring change at a predetermined time.

My friend that is not the case. There are a lot of factors that would dictate when a ribbon would need changing and I would suggest this would almost always occur when you have a break. Replacing after 2 years or what you sight as being structural sag would not necessarily invoke a change. 

I have a pair of IIIAs that have precisely that presentation and still work beautifully.

I am not quite sure what you are saying re quasi ribbon. Just to clear up some confusion for the audience quasi ribbon has been used for some time now in the bass and mid range drivers - only. There are 2 versions to the true ribbon. My IIIA's have version 1 as do many of the iterations at the time which were 3 way. The difference between a version 1 TR and version 2 TR is the latest version is very slightly longer and narrower.

QR was not used in the original models. It was wire. You should be aware of that given you owned the IIIA's which I also have.

 

You should also be aware that Jim Winey had an association with 3M which goes a long way to explaining the rubbish glue that was used back then in the original models. If you told me you had a TR tweeter that had never been replaced over a 20 year period then I would believe that over a maggie enthusiast stating that they had a pair of 30 year old maggies that had never been rewired. 

 

Ask @andyr and I am sure he would agree with me on this.

I appreciate you are adopting the precautionary principle in warning the OP of the potentials but I think in this instance it is not IMO warranted. Couple a pair of maggies with a good Sanders Magtech, ME, Pass Labs and they will not sink under the pressure. And I'm talking about the amps here  :)

 

By the way your traitorous actions in selling your maggies in favour of the Apogee's is duly noted and  recorded :)

Come back home :)

 

 


 

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22 hours ago, andyr said:

 

Spot on, Ozzie.  As they say in the classics - once you go flat ... [you never] some people don’t go back, while others find even greater happiness with boxes :)

Sorry Andy, Small grammatical edit needed.

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1 hour ago, buddyev said:

Sorry Andy, Small grammatical edit needed.

 

You posted, Russ:

 

"Spot on, Ozzie.  As they say in the classics - once you go flat ... [you never] some people don’t go back, while others find even greater happiness with boxes :) "

 

I'm sure you're aware that the original quote (that I was bastardising) was ... "once you go black, you never go back"!  :lol:

 

Having never tried 'black (sugar)', I can't vouch for that endorsement.  All I know is ... whilst my 2nd system has cone speakers - my main system will remain Maggies.  In fact, as @djbcan attest, I have embarked upon an amp-enhancement project ... to make them sound better.  :)

 

Andy

 

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1 minute ago, andyr said:

 

You posted, Russ:

 

"Spot on, Ozzie.  As they say in the classics - once you go flat ... [you never] some people don’t go back, while others find even greater happiness with boxes :) "

 

I'm sure you're aware that the original quote (that I was bastardising) was ... "once you go black, you never go back"!  :lol:

 

Having never tried 'black (sugar)', I can't vouch for that endorsement.  All I know is ... whilst my 2nd system has cone speakers - my main system will remain Maggies.  In fact, as @djbcan attest, I have embarked upon an amp-enhancement project ... to make them sound better.  :)

 

Andy

 

doesn't your main system have cones as well though …….. :)

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

doesn't your main system have cones as well though …….. :)

 

Well, yes it does, Trev (as you well know!).  :)

 

But that's the low-end reinforcement from a pair of 15" subs.  Many big-Maggie owners extend their panels' response with cone subs.

 

The core of the system is still dem panels!  :lol:

 

Andy

 

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2 hours ago, ghost4man said:

@Big Dog RJ

I am not suggesting that a ribbon tweeter will never have to be replaced BUT there will always be a reason for the replacement.

These ribbons are not like a car which requires an oil change every 20, 000Km. To use this analogy further, a lot of the older cars required a timing chain change at the recommended 80,000 Km. Are you suggesting that ribbons have a life span requiring change at a predetermined time.

My friend that is not the case. There are a lot of factors that would dictate when a ribbon would need changing and I would suggest this would almost always occur when you have a break. Replacing after 2 years or what you sight as being structural sag would not necessarily invoke a change. 

I have a pair of IIIAs that have precisely that presentation and still work beautifully.

I am not quite sure what you are saying re quasi ribbon. Just to clear up some confusion for the audience quasi ribbon has been used for some time now in the bass and mid range drivers - only. There are 2 versions to the true ribbon. My IIIA's have version 1 as do many of the iterations at the time which were 3 way. The difference between a version 1 TR and version 2 TR is the latest version is very slightly longer and narrower.

QR was not used in the original models. It was wire. You should be aware of that given you owned the IIIA's which I also have.

 

You should also be aware that Jim Winey had an association with 3M which goes a long way to explaining the rubbish glue that was used back then in the original models. If you told me you had a TR tweeter that had never been replaced over a 20 year period then I would believe that over a maggie enthusiast stating that they had a pair of 30 year old maggies that had never been rewired. 

 

Ask @andyr and I am sure he would agree with me on this.

I appreciate you are adopting the precautionary principle in warning the OP of the potentials but I think in this instance it is not IMO warranted. Couple a pair of maggies with a good Sanders Magtech, ME, Pass Labs and they will not sink under the pressure. And I'm talking about the amps here  :)

 

By the way your traitorous actions in selling your maggies in favour of the Apogee's is duly noted and  recorded :)

Come back home :)

 

Yeah mate definitely agree on your points and noted. Like I said some have used ribbons for a long time no issues, others 2-3 years or little more that's about all the little tweeter could go... 

Best advise use them as carefully as possible and be very careful during the unpacking procedure.

Another thing to note is all Maggie's come with the protective Steel strip that supports the ribbon during shipment, so yes they are very fragile. RJ 

 

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26 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

Well, yes it does, Trev (as you well know!).  :)

 

But that's the low-end reinforcement from a pair of 15" subs.  Many big-Maggie owners extend their panels' response with cone subs.

 

The core of the system is still dem panels!  :lol:

 

Andy

 

sure, but you could equally argue that the foundation of the system is dem cones 

 

Seriously though, panels are something pretty special. And if you properly integrate subs with them, it takes them to a new level (emphasis on properly, like you have done or like Roger Sanders does)

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Another thing worth noting, the Apogee's were only ordered through our close dealer friends in Spore, hence the Siva's were my dads favorite panel types. We had several at the time, including Martin Logan's, mostly the older hybrids, and only one pair of monoliths were sold. The monoliths are still going to this day, with one major repair on both drivers, other than that all good. 

I've switched completely over to Martin Logan's now after living here in melb since 2004. I'm now using the CLXArt, they were my dream speakers and managed to close the deal only in Sept. Driven with a full line up of CJ amplification, preamp & monoblocks, this is by far the best I've ever had the opportunity of owning. 

Previous panels used, Maggie's, Quads, ML and Infinity Betas, all great in their own regard, but nothing close to the CLX's.

Cheers mate, and enjoy that music! 

RJ 

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On 26/11/2018 at 2:31 PM, Gary janezic said:

Hi rj thanks a lot for info.i had no idea that ribbon tweeters need replacement. I am looking for a different sound and it seems to me magnapans are the way to go.i want them more for classical and other light music keeping klipsch for pop and rock music.regards gary

Hey Gary, those Klipsch look really stunning. I don't think you'd ever require a different sound, especially when driven with the mighty MC452. But I guess you'll find the dipole affect an interesting twist... 

Don't worry about the tweeter replacements, this is a very common thing with Maggie's and can be done in 30mins if you're sober... 

 

The Apogee Divas we had were a real pain in the butt to maintain in tropics, hence Maggie's it was only a tweeter issue, easy fix. 

I now use Martin Logan's full range CLX's. Very different and extremely high quality build compared to what I've owned in the past. 

Cheers mate, and hope your venture into ribbons is a good journey. 

All the best, RJ 

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56 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

Well, yes it does, Trev (as you well know!).  :)

 

But that's the low-end reinforcement from a pair of 15" subs.  Many big-Maggie owners extend their panels' response with cone subs.

 

The core of the system is still dem panels!  :lol:

 

Andy

 

As do many many many audiophiles irrespective of how high end their main speakers are.

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Hi rj thanks.i herd Martin Logan prodigy’s and they are very good speakers I wonder why I haven’t looked into them.your probably right I don’t need nothin but us audiophiles are never satisfied no matter what we have.will look up your Clxs. If I was gonna go electrostatic I would prefer full range as well.cheeres mate gary

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2 hours ago, andyr said:

 

You posted, Russ:

 

"Spot on, Ozzie.  As they say in the classics - once you go flat ... [you never] some people don’t go back, while others find even greater happiness with boxes :) "

 

I'm sure you're aware that the original quote (that I was bastardising) was ... "once you go black, you never go back"!  :lol:

 

Having never tried 'black (sugar)', I can't vouch for that endorsement.  All I know is ... whilst my 2nd system has cone speakers - my main system will remain Maggies.  In fact, as @djbcan attest, I have embarked upon an amp-enhancement project ... to make them sound better.  :)

 

Andy

 

Andy, c’mon it’s brown sugar. 

Oh alright, just between you and me, Maggies done right are excellent (But i will never admit that in public) 

I still prefer my boxes to my Maggies

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi rj thanks.i herd Martin Logan prodigy’s and they are very good speakers I wonder why I haven’t looked into them.your probably right I don’t need nothin but us audiophiles are never satisfied no matter what we have.will look up your Clxs. If I was gonna go electrostatic I would prefer full range as well.cheeres mate gary

Hey Gary, 

If you're interested in CLX's, let me know. I know two places where these are optimally set up and optimally driven with two different amplifier topologies. One system is Mr Kostas, drives them with Pass Labs class A solid state amp,  and the other system happens to be mine : driven with all tube amplification from Conrad Johnson, at its finest! 

The CLX's are in a different league, I was very lucky to get these just before the price hike... Now a pair of the CLX Art would be around 40grand.

I also know Kevin very well, if you want to contact him, mention my name and he'll look after you. 

Cheers mate and have a good one. 

RJ 

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Hi rj I would love to hear your setup. I fort magnapans were the best and at a fraction of the price that’s what all reviews say.in what ways would you say the Clx art is better than the magnapan 20.7s? I only had a listen to Logan’s once thru McIntosh equipment and it sounded very good indeed. I think now I should definitely give Logan’s a listen before I buy magnapans.cheers gary

 

 

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10 hours ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi rj I would love to hear your setup. I fort magnapans were the best and at a fraction of the price that’s what all reviews say.in what ways would you say the Clx art is better than the magnapan 20.7s? I only had a listen to Logan’s once thru McIntosh equipment and it sounded very good indeed. I think now I should definitely give Logan’s a listen before I buy magnapans.cheers gary

 

 

G'day Gary, 

You're welcome to come round for a listen, I'll gladly take you on a VIP tour!

I also spoke to Kostas, and he's willing to demo on his system as well, just if you wanted to experience both types of Amplification SS & tubes. 

 

Let me know when you're ready, and send me a PM

Cheers, RJ 

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3 hours ago, mrgtott said:

Are Manepans really as good as they say? I mean i've heard people saying that they will compete with 6-7 figure systems 

Yes Maggie's can very easily compete with the best out there, regardless of price. 

The majority of the cost goes into the ribbon elements and not the frame/materials used... They use true ribbons and Quasi ribbons throughout with powerful magnets. On the downside they still use cheap glues, staples, cheap fabrics and standard types of connections points along with regular caps and internal wiring. 

 

BUT this is where it gets very interesting and can be a fun project. You can highly modify the crossovers to the best quality parts, such as Munford caps, Litz wiring etc, the frames can be further solid using aluminum frames rather than wood. They can also be heavily braced at the back, because the majority of Maggie's flap around while music plays... Bracing them with solid materials increases dynamics and focus in imaging.

 

When we had our Maggie's, we got rid of those silly L shaped feet that they've been using since the age of the dinasour... We anchored the panels to the ground with spikes, this improves the overall performance by a huge margin! 

 

So as you can see, Magnepan has not focused on these areas, hence if they do you're not going to get a pair of MG20 for under 20 grand, no way! 

If Magnepan did address these areas with much higher quality materials, the average cost of the MG20 would be around 30 grand starting... Just look at the size of that panel... 

 

All Maggie's we had were driven with either CJ premier 8 monoblocks, VTL Wotan's and the Manley reference 350 monoblocks. Later on I used a CJ premier 11A on a pair of MG3.5/r and it was the most musical panels I had at the time with just 70w of pure class AB driving the panels full range. Just beautiful! 

 

So yes, Maggie's can very easily compete with anything out there, IF properly set up and optimally matched with the right amplification. 

Cheers, RJ 

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5 hours ago, mrgtott said:

Are Magnepans really as good as they say? I mean i've heard people saying that they will compete with 6-7 figure systems 

 

1 hour ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Yes Maggie's can very easily compete with the best out there, regardless of price. 

The majority of the cost goes into the ribbon elements and not the frame/materials used... They use true ribbons and Quasi ribbons throughout with powerful magnets. On the downside they still use cheap glues, staples, cheap fabrics and standard types of connections points along with regular caps and internal wiring. 

 

BUT this is where it gets very interesting and can be a fun project. You can highly modify the crossovers to the best quality parts, such as Munford caps, Litz wiring etc, the frames can be further solid using aluminum frames rather than wood. They can also be heavily braced at the back, because the majority of Maggie's flap around while music plays... Bracing them with solid materials increases dynamics and focus in imaging.

 

When we had our Maggie's, we got rid of those silly L shaped feet that they've been using since the age of the dinasour... We anchored the panels to the ground with spikes, this improves the overall performance by a huge margin! 

 

So as you can see, Magnepan has not focused on these areas, hence if they do you're not going to get a pair of MG20 for under 20 grand, no way! 

If Magnepan did address these areas with much higher quality materials, the average cost of the MG20 would be around 30 grand starting... Just look at the size of that panel... 

 

All Maggie's we had were driven with either CJ premier 8 monoblocks, VTL Wotan's and the Manley reference 350 monoblocks. Later on I used a CJ premier 11A on a pair of MG3.5/r and it was the most musical panels I had at the time with just 70w of pure class AB driving the panels full range. Just beautiful! 

 

So yes, Maggie's can very easily compete with anything out there, IF properly set up and optimally matched with the right amplification. 

Cheers, RJ 

 

As RJ says - they are value for money ... but you can increase their performance significantly if that's the sort of thing you like to do.  :)

 

Such as:

  • modify the XOs using better-sounding parts.
  • better still - rip out the passive XOs and go active.
  • replace the MDF frames with hardwood (I've never heard any aluminium-framed Maggies, so I can't comment as to whether this tweak sounds better than hardwood frames).
  • and brace the frames, to stop them reacting to bass transients.

And, as RJ said - suitable amplification is key.  :)

 

Attached is a pic of my hardwood-framed, braced, spiked, 3-way active 'Frankenpans'.  (The big black box contains the 3-way active XO and 3 monobloc amps.)  It's an old pic - I have since:

  1. replaced the analogue active XO with a miniDSP unit
  2. replaced those wooden stand-bases with steel U-bases, and
  3. added a pair of subs.

 

EDIT:  But much as I love them ... some people (eg. @Ittaku  :) !) feel they lack something they want - dynamics, I suspect.

 

Andy

 

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G'day Gary, 
You're welcome to come round for a listen, I'll gladly take you on a VIP tour!
I also spoke to Kostas, and he's willing to demo on his system as well, just if you wanted to experience both types of Amplification SS & tubes. 
 
Let me know when you're ready, and send me a PM
Cheers, RJ 
Stick with solid state. I know Maggie owners who have persisted with Class A and achieved great results but I just think you need the heavy juice that can only come with a good Class A/B.

I'm on the tail end of a Holton Precision Audio build to deliver 800 wpc into 4 ohms and unconditional stability into a 2 ohm load. It will drive 1 ohm loads as well with ease I'm hoping. But then again I have a massive 3.0 KVA toroidal transformer to do the driving and with a weight of nearly 50 kg this amp is not shy.
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4 hours ago, andyr said:

 

 

As RJ says - they are value for money ... but you can increase their performance significantly if that's the sort of thing you like to do.  :)

 

Such as:

  • modify the XOs using better-sounding parts.
  • better still - rip out the passive XOs and go active.
  • replace the MDF frames with hardwood (I've never heard any aluminium-framed Maggies, so I can't comment as to whether this tweak sounds better than hardwood frames).
  • and brace the frames, to stop them reacting to bass transients.

And, as RJ said - suitable amplification is key.  :)

 

Attached is a pic of my hardwood-framed, braced, spiked, 3-way active 'Frankenpans'.  (The big black box contains the 3-way active XO and 3 monobloc amps.)  It's an old pic - I have since:

  1. replaced the analogue active XO with a miniDSP unit
  2. replaced those wooden stand-bases with steel U-bases, and
  3. added a pair of subs.

 

EDIT:  But much as I love them ... some people (eg. @Ittaku  :) !) feel they lack something they want - dynamics, I suspect.

 

Andy

 

Frankenpan New Bases 01a.jpg

That's some serious bracing gear you got going there. This should result in a real stunning performance indeed! 

Good stuff mate, always nice to see a proper set up of panels optimally placed, which should deliver dynamics, precision imaging, sonic transparency, and a wonderful expansive soundstage. 

Cheers and enjoy, RJ  

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17 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

That's some serious bracing gear you got going there. This should result in a real stunning performance indeed! 

Good stuff mate, always nice to see a proper set up of panels optimally placed, which should deliver dynamics, precision imaging, sonic transparency, and a wonderful expansive soundstage. 

Cheers and enjoy, RJ  

 

Well, thank you, RJ.  :thumb:  Yes, my 'Frankenpans' do deliver all of what you suggest - however:

  1. I don't think the Maggie mid-range is quite as transparent as a good stat, and
  2. dynamics is certainly less than, say, a good horn system.  :(

 

Certainly, dynamics was vastly improved by the hardwood frames - and:

  • fixing the drivers firmly to the frame far better than the staples do! :lol: 
  • bracing & spiking the frames, and
  • going active

… but I'm at the limit of the improvement - for this aspect, anyway.

 

I can improve the mid-range - substituting BG ribbon drivers (6 a side) for the T-IVa mid-range panel - but this comes at quite a cost!  :(  So I may never do this.

 

Andy

 

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Yeah understood Andyr, 

 

There comes a point where you've done almost everything possible in terms of improvements and sometimes it seems very time / cost consuming but at the end it's worth it! 

 

I've always adopted a policy where we must enjoy and appreciate the system / components the way they were intended and designed by the designer... But then again a few tweaks could evolve into big improvements.

 

Would be nice experience to have a listen to your Maggie's. 

Cheers, RJ 

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Yeah, that's a definite; Gtg's are always welcome. However, minor issues:

1. I Only have two days off - Sun & Mon

2. We currently live in a shoe box, hence auditions are usually kept to minimum numbers, ideally 1-2, Otherwise the kitties get stressed...

3. Most "serious" listening sessions happen only at night, 99.99% after midnight till 4am, sometimes goes overtime to around 4:30am.

 

I can arrange something around these hours, perhaps something in the arvo to suit most normal human beings but it's a challenge. Those are the only two days. The mansion is still being built. Taking forever since two years now, once that's completed I plan to have not only gtg's but also invite the designers themselves, Hooray!

 

Cheers to all, and let me know who wants to come around. I can make you some hot pork curry! Oink oink

RJ 

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Yeah, I've seen these before, supposed to be in a class of their own. Not sure how they really perform though, need to demo on my next trip to either Thailand or Spore. 

 

That CD player looks like something in which I would put some sausages into for a cook! 

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4 hours ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Would be nice experience to have a listen to your Maggie's. 

Cheers, RJ 

 

NP, RJ.  :)

 

37 minutes ago, Big Dog RJ said:

Yeah, that's a definite; Gtg's are always welcome. However, minor issues:

1. I Only have two days off - Sun & Mon

2. We currently live in a shoe box, hence auditions are usually kept to minimum numbers, ideally 1-2, Otherwise the kitties get stressed...

3. Most "serious" listening sessions happen only at night, 99.99% after midnight till 4am, sometimes goes overtime to around 4:30am.

 

OK, well we should be able to organise this quite easily.  :thumb:

 

I am available on Sundays & Mondays.  So you could come over to my place, say, either Mon 3rd arvo ... or Mon 10th arvo.  I'm in Richmond, btw.

 

But, sorry, I can't cope with a listening session (at your place) that starts at midnight!  :(

 

I listen to vinyl generally - but I do have a CDP.  I'm assuming you generally listen to digital - so you could bring over some CDs you're familiar with - or if you're a download guy, then I can play thumb-drive files through my Sangean WFT-3.

 

Andy

 

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8 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

NP, RJ.  :)

 

 

OK, well we should be able to organise this quite easily.  :thumb:

 

I am available on Sundays & Mondays.  So you could come over to my place, say, either Mon 3rd arvo ... or Mon 10th arvo.  I'm in Richmond, btw.

 

But, sorry, I can't cope with a listening session (at your place) that starts at midnight!  :(

 

I listen to vinyl generally - but I do have a CDP.  I'm assuming you generally listen to digital - so you could bring over some CDs you're familiar with - or if you're a download guy, then I can play thumb-drive files through my Sangean WFT-3.

 

Andy

 

That's all well and good, but you seem to be leaving out poor @Gary janezic who, after all, was the one who started this thread :)

 

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47 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

That's all well and good, but you seem to be leaving out poor @Gary janezic who, after all, was the one who started this thread :)

 

AIUI, Trev - he's got a gig with some 20.7s.  :)  (So he's right!)

 

Andy

 

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41 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

NP, RJ.  :)

 

 

OK, well we should be able to organise this quite easily.  :thumb:

 

I am available on Sundays & Mondays.  So you could come over to my place, say, either Mon 3rd arvo ... or Mon 10th arvo.  I'm in Richmond, btw.

 

But, sorry, I can't cope with a listening session (at your place) that starts at midnight!  :(

 

I listen to vinyl generally - but I do have a CDP.  I'm assuming you generally listen to digital - so you could bring over some CDs you're familiar with - or if you're a download guy, then I can play thumb-drive files through my Sangean WFT-3.

 

Andy

 

No not really mate. Most of my recordings are about 60% digital and 40% vinyl. I love the vinyl rIg but due to our shoe box, the bass notes are so heavy the whole house shakes compared to digital... The gain on the Rega is only set to medium, and it's still very loud, effortless dynamics. If it was set to high gain, I would have blown the roof off! 

I'm still collecting LP's, about 1-2 each week. Need to visit that LP store located next to Selby acoustics. 

I'll send you a PM when I'm ready, we'll exchange numbers first and in contact. 

Cheers mate, RJ 

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Hi everybody I purchased a pair of magnapans 1.7i to play it safe.i wanna find out how they sound in my room with my equipment. I had a listen to Peters 20.7 they were good but sounded different to what I expected,completely different sized room and acoustics.should I like the sound of these in my room I will purchase a pair of 30.7s.cheers gary 

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24 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

AIUI, Trev - he's got a gig with some 20.7s.  :)

 

Andy

 

Not to worry about Gary, I already mentioned to Gary when he's ready to send me a message and I'll get in touch... 

My good mate, Kostas who drives his CLX's with Pass Labs is also waiting for contact from Gary, so the ball is in his court. If there's a will there's a way. 

I'm sure Gary will be listening to some Maggie's mighty soon! 

Cheers Gary if you're there? 

RJ 

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1 minute ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi everybody I purchased a pair of magnapans 1.7i to play it safe.i wanna find out how they sound in my room with my equipment. I had a listen to Peters 20.7 they were good but sounded different to what I expected,completely different sized room and acoustics.should I like the sound of these in my room I will purchase a pair of 30.7s.cheers gary 

Great news Gary, I'm sure you'll find them very interesting... And VERY different to what you're used to with the Klipsch. 

Cheers and enjoy! 

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13 minutes ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi everybody I purchased a pair of magnapans 1.7i to play it safe.i wanna find out how they sound in my room with my equipment. I had a listen to Peters 20.7 they were good but sounded different to what I expected,completely different sized room and acoustics.should I like the sound of these in my room I will purchase a pair of 30.7s.cheers gary 

 

Great, Gary.  But I'm curious to know in what way did they sound "different" from what you had imagined?

 

Andy

 

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Andy to my ears the magnapans sound coloured. I had a pair of .5 Maggie’s and they were very coloured in sound but they are a 30 plus year old model I didn’t thing newer models would be to.i used to own a pair of proacs d100 at my old house and they sounded surberb when we moved to we’re we are now the same speakers sounded very different and I didn’t like them any more and got rid of them.room acoustics are very important they can make or completely break a good sounding system. No two rooms sound exactly the same even if there size is the same.are magnapans really coloured and sound unnatural I would like to know? Cheers and happy listening to all.

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Coloured- mmm

I can only point out the following from having owned Maggie's previously:

1. Compared to what you're used to, Klipsch horns, are more natural in full range, would be well balanced sound. 

2. The Maggie tweeter at times, can operate on a totally different level compared to the rest of the panel. Mainly because it can go as high as 40+hz...

3. That 40hz is not always reachable, rather if it is on the recording then the ribbon tweeter will capture it. 

4. In the past models, Maggie's were sounding somewhat dis-jointed, again ribbon tweeter operating at a different level but all this was well and truly fixed with better materials, different tested crossover points and a series of upgrades that the owner can do in order to make the sound a "custom sound" catering to personal preferences.

5. This is the typical Maggie sound, it really hasn't changed much since inception, hence you will either like it or won't, nothing inbetween. 

 

I must say though from the 1.7 series to the MG3 series, things are quite different. Such that, resolution is far greater, transparency and detail, plus a more expansive soundstage. Then when you move to the MG20 series, things operate at a higher level and finally the top of the line, 30.7's should be one of the most uncolored transducers at this price point.  

 

Over the years, after switching back & forth between Maggie's and Quads, I settled for stats here in Melb. Prior to that I did have Martin Logan's, CLS & SL3. One was a full range the other was a hybrid. Fast forward 22 years, and I revisited Martin Logan's once again, to find their new hybrid series completely different! Their new masterpiece series is a radical design and I owned the Ethos for a couple years, until I wanted to go full range stat. 

 

From the moment I heard the CLX's I knew that was it! Three critical areas the CLX's operate like no other:

1. Transparency 

2. Speed

3. Naturalness along with realism. 

 

Therefore, this is now my benchmark and at this level it is very hard to surpass regardless of price. 

Just wanted to share my 50cts worth as I felt exactly the same when moving onto full range stats. 

 

However, I must emphasize that Maggie's need to be partnered with the right gear, and they also require a good amount of space between and around the panels in order to maintain that relative depth in soundstage. Once that's dialed in correctly they actually can sound very natural. I'm not sure why coloured would be an issue, especially when they have no box or cabinet to resonate signals, unlike typical dynamic driver types. Therefore, I strongly feel something is not quite right here. 

 

Let me ask, when you listened to the bigger Maggie's at the private demo, did you also find them coloured? 

In which case, then I'm affraid the typical Maggie sound is not for you. 

 

Perhaps a full range stat may work but I'm not sure if you're always going to benchmark it against the typical Klipsch horn sound that you're used to... 

 

Just wondering what your thoughts are... RJ 

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8 hours ago, Gary janezic said:

Hi everybody I purchased a pair of magnapans 1.7i to play it safe.i wanna find out how they sound in my room with my equipment. I had a listen to Peters 20.7 they were good but sounded different to what I expected,completely different sized room and acoustics.should I like the sound of these in my room I will purchase a pair of 30.7s.cheers gary 

I have heard them and they were a very different experience to other Maggie systems I would have to say. 

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