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Hi Guys,

 

Recently came across this 7-Channel Power amp Elektra HD7:

 

https://www.melbournehifi.com.au/collections/elektra/products/elektra-theatron-hd-7-channel-power-amplifier

 

So based on the specification it has got output of 190W per channel when powering 7-channel, with a THD  @1Khz < 0.0003%. For 20Hz-20kHz it claims to have a THD < 0.001%.

 

So the extremely low THD got my interest. As far as I know most integrated stereo amp couldn't achieve such low distortion. (If the specification is trustable, of course)

 

Beside this, I also found Emotiva's XPA-7 Power amp:

 

https://www.lifestylestore.com.au/emotiva-xpa-7-gen3-7-channel-power-amplifier.html

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https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/emotiva-xpa-7-7-channel-power-amplifier.html

 

Which has got 200W per Channel for 7 channels and a THD of < 0.02%. Which is not bad also.

 

Price wise, Elektra is $4,000 free shipping (Have heard some slightly lower price but haven't confirmed yet) while Emotiva here in Australia is retailed at $2,999.

 

I'll be using it for half HT uses and half music listening...I would say both are important to me but my budget for a power amp for now is this much. Also going with a $1500 AV power amp + $2500 Integrated amp is not ideal to me... 

 

So what do you guys think?  Any advice? Cheers

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Funny that you raise the question of going Elektra or Emotiva.   I was originally going to buy the Emotiva (as I hadn't heard of Elektra until coming on this forum); but upon reading many fa

a couple of years ago I looked again across a few different options imported and local and elektra was yet again a no brainer.   I hope you dont mind me saying this, but in my opinion the el

I'm probably a little biased, being a big Elektra (and Arthur Rappos) fan, but here goes...   I bought an Elektra Theatre 7 channel amp in October 2003, probably one from Arthur's first run

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Hi Luke

 

I will preface this by saying I have never heard either of these amps and I like you am a beginner. I would say don't get too caught up in the distortion figures, I don't think they are the be all and end all of choosing an amp. The first thing I would want to know will either of these amps drive my speakers with no issues. What speakers do you have? What is the impedance specs of your speakers?

 

One thing to keep in mind is that (as far as I am aware) there are no dealers in Perth that carry Elektra. I have emailed Arthur to confirm if this is correct, because I am interested in an Elektra preamp, but so far I have had no reply. I have spoken to a dealer in Perth about Elektra and was told that there is nobody in Perth to repair them and is one of the reasons they don't carry them. If your Elektra does develop a fault, more than likely you will be shipping it back to the eastern states to have it repaired.

 

The Emotiva gear is, I think, reasonably good value for money as long as you keep in mind that it would generally be considered entry level gear. I currently have an Emotiva preamp and Emotiva mono blocks. They both work fine for what I paid for them and to my ears sound great. I bought from a dealer in Perth, if one develops a fault, the dealer will take care of it. Having said that I have never had an issue with them. 

 

In terms of sound quality I would "expect" the Elektra to be better. The issue is for people in Perth is, with no one locally stocking the item we can not have a listen. Are you prepared to drop 4k on something that you haven't heard? I may be sounding a little pro Emotiva here, but I am not. I am looking to upgrade my Emotiva preamp to possibly an Elektra, hence I have come across the stumbling block of no one stocks it in Perth which is a major bummer!

 

1 hour ago, Arcsabre said:

........I'll be using it for half HT uses and half music listening...I would say both are important to me but my budget for a power amp for now is this much. Also going with a $1500 AV power amp + $2500 Integrated amp is not ideal to me... 

I am not sure I understand this bit. Do you have an AV already? I assume so?

 

BTW I bought something from Melbourne HiFi (your first link) and they were great to deal with.

 

Maybe shoot @Hydrology a PM, I know he deals with Emotiva at his store, now and then. He will offer a more professional insight than I can.

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10 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

Hi Luke

 

I will preface this by saying I have never heard either of these amps and I like you am a beginner. I would say don't get too caught up in the distortion figures, I don't think they are the be all and end all of choosing an amp. The first thing I would want to know will either of these amps drive my speakers with no issues. What speakers do you have? What is the impedance specs of your speakers?

 

One thing to keep in mind is that (as far as I am aware) there are no dealers in Perth that carry Elektra. I have emailed Arthur to confirm if this is correct, because I am interested in an Elektra preamp, but so far I have had no reply. I have spoken to a dealer in Perth about Elektra and was told that there is nobody in Perth to repair them and is one of the reasons they don't carry them. If your Elektra does develop a fault, more than likely you will be shipping it back to the eastern states to have it repaired.

 

The Emotiva gear is, I think, reasonably good value for money as long as you keep in mind that it would generally be considered entry level gear. I currently have an Emotiva preamp and Emotiva mono blocks. They both work fine for what I paid for them and to my ears sound great. I bought from a dealer in Perth, if one develops a fault, the dealer will take care of it. Having said that I have never had an issue with them. 

 

In terms of sound quality I would "expect" the Elektra to be better. The issue is for people in Perth is, with no one locally stocking the item we can not have a listen. Are you prepared to drop 4k on something that you haven't heard? I may be sounding a little pro Emotiva here, but I am not. I am looking to upgrade my Emotiva preamp to possibly an Elektra, hence I have come across the stumbling block of no one stocks it in Perth which is a major bummer!

 

I am not sure I understand this bit. Do you have an AV already? I assume so?

 

BTW I bought something from Melbourne HiFi (your first link) and they were great to deal with.

 

Maybe shoot @Hydrology a PM, I know he deals with Emotiva at his store, now and then. He may offer more professional insight than I can.

Thanks Dave! Frankly your response was really interesting to read. 

 

I'm a regular flyer between Perth and Melbourne so going to Eastern states is not a problem to me. Actually I'm going to Mel to try these amps next week hence this thread.

 

Regarding the Preamp I've got a few things to ask if you don't mind:

 

-Which Emotiva Preamp are you using? (Cuz I've also considered MC-700 but was a bit concerned about Emotiva's build quality)

-Which Elektra Preamp are you thinking of getting?

-If the dealer which I'm going for the Emotiva XPA-7 has also got both preamp I'm happy to do a comparison between the above two preamps by the way, if you think that's going to help you with your decision making.

 

At the moment I'm thinking of getting a good AV power-amp for both stereo music listening and HT uses. I will be only getting one system at the moment and therefore won't consider using a dedicated integrated amp for music (stereo), even if it comes with HT bypass. So really I've constrained myself to only get one amp for both uses. Later maybe, like after five years, I might get a much better integrated amp for stereo listening. For now, I'll spend the budget on one AV amp.

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Hi@Arcsabre

 

I have had both brands of amp in HT situations, and neither has been a problem or could I discern a deal of difference in their application.

 

I have sold both in the past 2 years and this is due to a move in house and not requiring that amount of power or the room that they occupy.

 

If there is a dealer for Emotiva in Perth, go and have a listen, even ask @DarkNark  if he is willing to let you listen to his system to get an idea as to the sound.

 

Also don't forget to try to listen to the system with the same or very similar speakers, if possible, so as you have a more realistic comparison when in Melbourne

 

JJ

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I would not pay those amounts for either. Have not heard either, but I am just coming from a different direction.

I am not saying they are not worth it, but a lot better value can be had by buying used.

If it is 50/50 for HT and 2 channel I would look at an integrated amp with HT bypass. That way the  2 fronts is driven by the good amp for 2 channel and HT and your AVR is driving everything but the fronts which means it has more power to do the rest.

 

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42 minutes ago, Arcsabre said:

......Regarding the Preamp I've got a few things to ask if you don't mind:

 

-Which Emotiva Preamp are you using? (Cuz I've also considered MC-700 but was a bit concerned about Emotiva's build quality)

-Which Elektra Preamp are you thinking of getting?

-If the dealer which I'm going for the Emotiva XPA-7 has also got both preamp I'm happy to do a comparison between the above two preamps by the way, if you think that's going to help you with your decision making.

Currently I use a Emotiva XSP1 as my preamp. I am looking to try a valve preamp, so i the Elektra range that would be the PNYX.  Thanks for the offer, I have a brother in Melbourne so it may be an excuse to visit him one weekend. :)

 

47 minutes ago, Arcsabre said:

At the moment I'm thinking of getting a good AV power-amp for both stereo music listening and HT uses. I will be only getting one system at the moment and therefore won't consider using a dedicated integrated amp for music (stereo), even if it comes with HT bypass. So really I've constrained myself to only get one amp for both uses. Later maybe, like after five years, I might get a much better integrated amp for stereo listening. For now, I'll spend the budget on one AV amp.

If you are looking for an AV and want to listen to 2 channel then you could do a lot worse than this. https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/254950-anthem-mrx-720-brand-new-in-box/

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Apologies, looks like you only have a pre, so looking for a poweramp or poweramps to do the rest.

I still think you should just be patient and buy used.

Drive the 2 fronts or even the 3 fronts with the bets amp you can afford and then drive the rest with something else.

But, maybe you can pick up a good 7 channel amp.

Regarding 7.1, do you have a passive sub? Many subs are active as in they have their own amp. If you have a passive sub you need an 8 channel amp.

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34 minutes ago, Jventer said:

Apologies, looks like you only have a pre, so looking for a poweramp or poweramps to do the rest.

I still think you should just be patient and buy used.

Drive the 2 fronts or even the 3 fronts with the bets amp you can afford and then drive the rest with something else.

But, maybe you can pick up a good 7 channel amp.

Regarding 7.1, do you have a passive sub? Many subs are active as in they have their own amp. If you have a passive sub you need an 8 channel amp.

 

Thanks mate. Yes I've got a DAC and a pre for stereo. I'm looking for the ideal AV power amp under or slightly above $4000. Later on I'll be using this amp to drive everything else (like you said) and get a much better integrated amp for the LR channel. But for now I'll be using this power amp to work with my DAC and Pre for both HT and Music.

I've got an active sub and I don't really care that much about sub so the sub output of the power amp will not be a determinant of what am I getting.

 

The reason I'm getting an AV power amp instead of an AV power amp PLUS an integrated stereo amp is because I know I want to get a much better integrated stereo amp in a few years. After getting that integrated stereo amp I will use the AV power amp (which is what I'm looking for now) for other channel but LR. I'm not planning to replace this AV power amp after getting the integrated stereo amp so I want to get something not too bad hence the decision to spend $4000 on an AV power amp.

 

Hope it clarifies.

 

33 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

@Arcsabre  please clarify what you already own and what you are looking for?  Also what is your budget?  

Hi Snoop! So like stated in the previous paragraph. Green shows what I've got and Orange is what I haven't. 

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Its important to point out why the emo xpa's are cheaper than the Elektra's [ hopefully not too biased as Ime running a Elektra theaterhd and a emo basx a150 atm]. One reason is the Elektra has a bulky toroidal power supply and large filter capacitors which is both heavier than the emo's switch mode psu [so shipping is dearer]

The emo has a fully regulated 3kw of power and if you read this; 

https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/xpa-11-gen3  

you will see that the emo is modular and can be optioned with double blades and myriad options to suit your system now and in the future .. Also note that both brands are class A/B  but the emo is more efficient as its got class H switched rail capability due to the smps .. Similar technology to that used by Arcam in the $$ AV850;s class G 

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At low power levels, each channel operates on a relatively low supply voltage, to minimize quiescent power consumption and standby power losses. Then, when the demand for power increases, it instantly and seamlessly switches to a higher voltage rail to ensure that the signal passes cleanly and without clipping. This process happens on a continuous basis - in real time, allowing greater overall efficiency, cooler operation, longer component life, reduced power consumption, and increased reliability.

Emo's last series 2 xpa amps used traditional toroids but the new series have been just as popular  :) btw the main engineer used to work for Theta so no slouch . Cant go wrong with either after a listen ..

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15 minutes ago, Arcsabre said:

 

Thanks mate. Yes I've got a DAC and a pre for stereo. I'm looking for the ideal AV power amp under or slightly above $4000. Later on I'll be using this amp to drive everything else (like you said) and get a much better integrated amp for the LR channel. But for now I'll be using this power amp to work with my DAC and Pre for both HT and Music.

I've got an active sub and I don't really care that much about sub so the sub output of the power amp will not be a determinant of what am I getting.

 

The reason I'm getting an AV power amp instead of an AV power amp PLUS an integrated stereo amp is because I know I want to get a much better integrated stereo amp in a few years. After getting that integrated stereo amp I will use the AV power amp (which is what I'm looking for now) for other channel but LR. I'm not planning to replace this AV power amp after getting the integrated stereo amp so I want to get something not too bad hence the decision to spend $4000 on an AV power amp.

 

Hope it clarifies.

 

Hi Snoop! So like stated in the previous paragraph. Green shows what I've got and Orange is what I haven't. 

Great

I think if you buy used you can get a great 7 channel amp for less than $2K. If lucky even at about $1K. That leaves lots of $ for the future.

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So by AV power amp you are referring to a multiple channel amp?  like the 2 that you have listed?

 

What is your AV source? You don't have one and are considering the MC700?

 

Does you "pre" that you own have HT bypass?

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13 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

So by AV power amp you are referring to a multiple channel amp?  like the 2 that you have listed?

 

What is your AV source? You don't have one and are considering the MC700?

 

Does you "pre" that you own have HT bypass?

Yes I'm referring to a 7 channel (at least) amp. Like the 2 I listed. The Pre I got doesn't have HT bypass (it was a bit old) but I don't mind running the LR channel also with the AV preamp for now. 

 

 

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Sorry, I am slow today.  Am I correct in saying you have a 50/50 mix between music and movies ?

40 minutes ago, Arcsabre said:

Yes I've got a DAC and a pre for stereo. 

And you have a stereo preamp only?  So you are only playing movies via stereo only?

 

Or do you have a HT pre processor? (& model?)  Hence, you want a multi channel amp?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Sorry, I am slow today.  Am I correct in saying you have a 50/50 mix between music and movies ?

And you have a stereo preamp only?  So you are only playing movies via stereo only?

 

Or do you have a HT pre processor? (& model?)  Hence, you want a multi channel amp?

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I have on hand:                                                                                                                                       

 

Stereo Source:

-Logitech Transporter hi-res streamer (Inc.Pre amp)

-Meridian 500 CD player

-Meridian 566 DAC

Stereo Amp:

-Shengya A-206 MK-II Class-A Integrated Amp (which I don't plan to use anymore)

AV Amp:

-an Onkyo (forgot the model) receiver (broken down a few months ago)

 

And I've just moved to Perth so I only plan to bring the devices in green to here.

 

What I'm planning to get now:                                                                                                                    

-an AV Pre amp;

-an AV Power amp around $4,000 mark;

-A pair of Bookshelf Speakers.

 

What I don't plan to get now: (getting them later)                                                                                       

-Integrated stereo amp;

-Other speakers; (centre, satellite, sub)

 

And this thread is about the AV power amp in Blue.

 

Thanks!!

 

 

 

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a couple of years ago I looked again across a few different options imported and local and elektra was yet again a no brainer.

 

I hope you dont mind me saying this, but in my opinion the elektra plays on a separate plane a level above the emotiva here you are also considering. the emotiva is a budget brand in the us it only costs here what it does due to costs to get it here and support it here.

 

I have compared the elektra with amps costing about twice what it retails here locally and it did pretty well in that league... which makes sense as it probably would cost twice what it did if it were being sold overseas .... just like the amps I was comparing with cost half what they do back in their home markets :)

 

as to some concern of shipping stuff across the nation. how on earth does stuff get to WA :D its not like its made there. and guess what nothing gets fixed there either. all has to be shipped "over east" but in any case amps are usually pretty solid dependable things and amps like the elektra uses THE very best of components. just have to peak inside to see :) I have also not ever heard of anyone grizzling about arthur's service. if ever have to take avail.

 

 this is the elektra I ended up getting...to augment the one I already had...

 

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I have also done quite a few comparisons over the years with the elektra vs 2ch amps.... I can tell you this much it is very accomplished for its 2ch prowess if just using it in that fashion for driving 2 main channels.

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Got to say I am a massive Elektra fan and have been since I purchased my first Theatre7.

over the years I have owned almost every item that Arthur has made.

But yep it sure makes it easier to decide when the manufacturer is local.

Also  I do believe that there are better sounding units out there but at a cost many more times than that of the Elektra.

Imo the Local product is definitely a cut above.

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15 minutes ago, :) al said:

.......as to some concern of shipping stuff across the nation. how on earth does stuff get to WA :D its not like its made there. and guess what nothing gets fixed there either. all has to be shipped "over east"......

My Anthem MRX 510, which was purchased from a vendor in the Eastern states was repaired in WA. About 15 mins from my house. Once the fault occurred, the shop gave me a list of approved repairers in WA and I took it there. All covered under warranty.

 

My understanding at this stage is, that unfortunately this is not the same for the Elektra product. Only a day or 2 ago was a thread regarding shipping costs back to the vendor being paid by the customer. So it appears that it is a concern for some. :)

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20 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

My Anthem MRX 510, which was purchased from a vendor in the Eastern states was repaired in WA. About 15 mins from my house. Once the fault occurred, the shop gave me a list of approved repairers in WA and I took it there. All covered under warranty.

 

 My understanding at this stage is, that unfortunately this is not the same for the Elektra product. Only a day or 2 ago was a thread regarding shipping costs back to the vendor being paid by the customer. So it appears that it is a concern for some. :)

Good for you. Point me to your local emotiva repairer(suspect same as for your anthem)... and why buy the anthem from the eastern states ? Isn’t it sold local to you ?

 

we buy things for all manner of reasons from vast array of choices out there for us. May you find yours. I am very happy with mine :)

 

as to vendor shipping ...just keep in mind someone has to pay for things  in end...same goes with local repairers and websites and call centres and sales people marketing folk and account managers and on and on...you pay for those with most brands.... it’s why those overseas brands cost here twice what they do back in their home country... it’s called the Australia tax...

 

there is a good way around the Australia tax...buy local...

 

that is not to say the isn’t anything else worth buying...certainly wouldn’t suggest that... but I would say I have had to pay myself quite a bit more for those overseas made pieces I myself run in my system.

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1 minute ago, :) al said:

Good for you.

Thanks :)

2 minutes ago, :) al said:

Point me to your local emotiva repairer....

I don't need to. I purchased my Emotiva from my local dealer. Any issues I have with it, it will be returned to said place of purchase and it becomes their headache not mine.

7 minutes ago, :) al said:

.... and why buy the anthem from the eastern states ? Isn’t it sold local to you ?

Well not that it really matters, but to cure your sense of curiosity, no, it was not available to me locally. I bought a refurbished Anthem MRX 510 which was a discontinued model. What was available to me locally was an Anthem MRX520, which I couldn't afford. :)

 

13 minutes ago, :) al said:

there is a good way around the Australia tax...buy local...

Agreed! If I may, possibly that could be reworded as " there is a good way around the WA tax.....buy locally supported......"

 

If you regard not being able to see the product, audition the product and have the product repaired locally, by locally I mean in the state that you live in, as a non issue then your point is well made. Personally I would rather be able to see it, touch the buttons, listen to it before I dropped $4K because someone on the internet said they like them. 👍

 

All of this is academic, the OP flys in and out of Melbourne regularly.

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21 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

I don't need to. I purchased my Emotiva from my local dealer. Any issues I have with it, it will be returned to said place of purchase and it becomes their headache not mine.

Till the warranty runs out.... or something happens where retailer stops selling / supporting a brand or an importer is no longer so generous. Emotiva has a chequered past especially locally ... things can and do change all time. Also as I mentioned we are talking amps here they are generally pretty reliable especially where made with top quality components as the Elektra is :) 

 

I think you missed my point in that much is neither made or supported in wa. Not every one wants to limit themselves to just what little is made and supported there. 

 

21 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

Thanks :)

I don't need to. I purchased my Emotiva from my local dealer. Any issues I have with it, it will be returned to said place of purchase and it becomes their headache not mine.

Well not that it really matters, but to cure your sense of curiosity, no, it was not available to me locally. I bought a refurbished Anthem MRX 510 which was a discontinued model. What was available to me locally was an Anthem MRX520, which I couldn't afford :)

It was a rhetorical question, there was no need to answer :) as I answered for you in that people buy things from all over place for own reasons :) I bought a dac from France few years ago. Maker long gone. No local support. It’s an orphan was 10 years old when got it. Had two locals work on it twice spent what I bought it for on further work and absolutely adore it ...

 

21 minutes ago, DarkNark said:

 

 

If you regard not being able to see the product, audition the product and have the product repaired locally, by locally I mean in the state that you live in, as a non issue then your point is well made. Personally I would rather be able to see it, touch the buttons, listen to it before I dropped $4K because someone on the internet said they like them. 👍

 

All of this is academic, the OP flys in and out of Melbourne regularly.

If this was such a concern to people, the suprateks made and sold by mick over in wa and can only be serviced by him (no one else will touch them) and that no one sells or demos outside wa would mean no one would buy outside the state ? Yet people own them outside wa and overseas :)

 

and indeed yes op clearly stated he is a Melbourne regular so quite possibly not a concern :)

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Al, not sure I missed any of your points, but to be honest I think we are just going around in circles here mate. All the best! Enjoy your Elektra's and I will keep trying to source a PNYX to have a listen to locally. :)

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Funny that you raise the question of going Elektra or Emotiva.

 

I was originally going to buy the Emotiva (as I hadn't heard of Elektra until coming on this forum); but upon reading many favourable review on Stereo.net.au I decided that I wanted to buy the Elektra.

 

If i'm honest, I know very little when it comes to the technical nitty gritty and for me, both amps would be more than overkill, so I had to justify why I went the Elektra;

 

1. How cool is it to buy something from an Australian manufacturer?  (especially when it holds a great reputation)

2. Reasonably priced in the scheme of things; worked out maybe 10-12% more to buy Elektra versus the Emotiva 

3. Reputation of Elektra on here from many reputable forum regulars

 

For some, my reasoning may be silly; but to me, I cannot wait until my unit is ready to get sent to me in Sydney. I went for the 7 Channel, as it will power my Paradigm 7 Ear Level Channels, and i'll let my Yamaha AVR do the 4 Dolby Atmos Height Channels.


I rarely if ever see Elektra amps hit the second hand market, and when they do, they get snapped up quick smart! So that alone speaks volumes for the demand on the product.

 

 

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I'm in the same predicament as you mate. But I'm only looking at the 3 channel version. I'm leaning towards elektra. I'm big in Aussie made stuff as I work in the manufacturing sector. Just waiting for Melbourne Hifi to put a special on and I'll pull the trigger I think. Aren't Krix going to do power amps? I didn't make it to the hifi show but did see in the photo's they had there own amps.

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4 minutes ago, J5000 said:

I'm in the same predicament as you mate. But I'm only looking at the 3 channel version. I'm leaning towards elektra. I'm big in Aussie made stuff as I work in the manufacturing sector. Just waiting for Melbourne Hifi to put a special on and I'll pull the trigger I think. Aren't Krix going to do power amps? I didn't make it to the hifi show but did see in the photo's they had there own amps.

 

Just give them a call now, they're pretty flexible with their pricing.  I've never seen their sale prices on Elektra's go below what I know I can buy them for any other time.

 

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1 minute ago, J5000 said:

I'm in the same predicament as you mate. But I'm only looking at the 3 channel version. I'm leaning towards elektra. I'm big in Aussie made stuff as I work in the manufacturing sector. Just waiting for Melbourne Hifi to put a special on and I'll pull the trigger I think. Aren't Krix going to do power amps? I didn't make it to the hifi show but did see in the photo's they had there own amps.

Yes Krix announced prior to the show, that they worked with Arthur for him to develop version of his amps for them. They were using krix versions of his amps at the show ...in previous shows I had seen the Elektras driving their flagship heritix series...

https://www.hifishow.com.au/news/krix-reveals-active-passion-at-2017-australian-hifi-show

so only a logical move. Would be a big thing for Arthur I imagine. And good thing for krix to have a a full system.

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I'm probably a little biased, being a big Elektra (and Arthur Rappos) fan, but here goes...

 

I bought an Elektra Theatre 7 channel amp in October 2003, probably one from Arthur's first run of production of multichannel power amplifiers. My dealer hadn't even really tried them out but suggested I give the Elektra a shot, and for what it was at the price it was I was blown away. I still use it now in my home theatre, but I'm upgrading my home theatre to 5.1.4 Atmos, so I'm about to replace it with some new power amplifiers......

 

What did I buy? A brand new Elektra Theatre HD 7 channel amp, and an Elektra Reference HD 2 channel amp. This'll give me the 9 channels I need for my upgrade to 5.1.4 Atmos. I nice little bump in RMS power per channel on the Theatre HD 7 channel amp with a reduction in THD, and some sweet 300W RMS into 8 ohms for my mains (bridegable to mono to give me 1000W into 8 ohms when I decide to get a second Reference HD for 2 channel 😉). Plus I've sold my original Theatre 7 channel for $1K (nothing to turn your nose up at).

 

Seriously - Elektra - Aussie made quality, huge quality toroidal power supply, large caps, clean sound. What more could you want? Plus you get to support an Aussie business!

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On 11/11/2018 at 5:06 PM, Arcsabre said:

So what do you guys think?

 

Simple, go for the one that is demonstratively superior to the other.

 

Actually, there's no way that would work, forget that. :geek:

Just pick the one you think looks the best and will make you feel the warmest and cuddliest on the inside. :wub:

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2 hours ago, Davo1972 said:

What did I buy? A brand new Elektra Theatre HD 7 channel amp, and an Elektra Reference HD 2 channel amp.

That’s the combination I also purchased 3 years ago as an upgrade to the earlier series of Elektra amps I’d owned for 10 years without issue. I have my amps connected to Paradigm Signiture series speakers with a Marantz AV8802a AV pre-Amp and Oppo 205, very happy with the combination.

 

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On 12/11/2018 at 6:00 PM, Kaynin said:

 

Just give them a call now, they're pretty flexible with their pricing.  I've never seen their sale prices on Elektra's go below what I know I can buy them for any other time.

 

Thanks mate will do! Looks like I know what I'm buying myself for xmas!

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If you can have a listen to them especially Emotiva before buying and see if you like it.

 

Emotiva is one of the few brands that really disappointed me.

 

Unless your front 3 speakers are demanding I prob wouldn't bother with a power amp. Just get an AVR (especially used if you don't need all the marketing BS) and buy a better 2 channel solution later on and maybe sooner with the money you save

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When it comes to amplification,  l feel the more affluent you are, the more you can justify spending larger sums of money on what "might be "...... something significantly better.

Point in case, I had a thread back in the DTV days when I questioned whether I needed a great new power amp for my HT to drive the front LR speakers which were 20 year old Spendor SP2's , or whether it would be better to spend the $4k budget on a new set of LCR speakers for 80%HT/20% two channel.

My local dealer ( nb Iive in Frankston) said to to me , that if I couldn't hear the difference a $4k Elektra HD made to my system, I didn't know what I was talking about .

Well being a scientist by trade, I needed to test the variables. 

I took my AVR, Oppo203( purchased from the same dealer) AND the 20yo Spendors to the store.

Said dealer was very unimpressed when I wanted to A/B the two options.

I set up my system such that it only required 30 seconds work to unplug a couple of components to be able to make an objective comparison. 

Within the same 30 seconds it was exceedingly obvious that a $4000 Elektra amp was never going to make a 20yo pair of speakers,which were always conservative in the <40Hz dept, sound better than a new set of 2017 speakers.

 

Ask yourself what you are try achieve. 

If I had $20k worth of speakers I wouldn't be trying to drive them with a $1000 AVR, but don't get caught up in specs that are impossible to differentiate. 

I have no doubt that Arthur's amps are world class, and value for money........when you're trying to eek the best out of a system that is already the best you can afford. 

YMMV😁😁😁😁😁

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4 hours ago, IMDave said:

Within the same 30 seconds it was exceedingly obvious that a $4000 Elektra amp was never going to make a 20yo pair of speakers,which were always conservative in the <40Hz dept, sound better than a new set of 2017 speakers.

 

Ask yourself what you are try achieve. 

If I had $20k worth of speakers I wouldn't be trying to drive them with a $1000 AVR, but don't get caught up in specs that are impossible to differentiate. 

Well said Dave ; as the speakers are much more important to sound quality than the power amp ; I would firm up what calibre of speakers you will want 1st before choosing the power amp . Remember too some people love the sound of a tube amp ; even ones with heaps of 2nd order distortion so specs are best taken as an aspect of good design ; not necessarily sound quality .:) As said ;don't get caught up in specs .

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One of the big advantages that tube amps have is in the creation of harmonic distortion. Distortion sounds like a bad thing but for musicians it is something they want to happen. Guitarists early in the 20th century managed to create distortions by turning their amps to their highest volume setting.

Distortions from tube amps are usually second-order. This means it is the same sound, but an octave higher. The result is an interesting musical effect that is actually quite pleasant to the ear.

 

https://toptubeamplifier.com/are-tube-amps-better-the-debate-rages-on/

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Greetings All,

 

Just saw the post today, not sure if OP have made the purchase. I am also a new player in the Stereo game, always been a HT person. I have used both Emotiva XPA 5 Gen3 and Elektra HD amps. I have a dual purpose room and my usage is about 40/60 for movies with a 7.2.4 setup. Here are my humble opinions on the amps. 

 

They are both very capable amps, I personally like the Elektra little more for the dynamic control, openness and a sense of power. The Emotiva is able to give you all the power you need, however in comparison it is little less dynamic and not as clear and clean. The Emotiva is cheaper though, maybe go with a second hand amp. I purchased the Emotiva new, however, was quoted about 2000 to upgrade to a 7 channels amp from a 5. That is when I picked up a used Elektra HD 5 for a similar price of the upgrade. Upgrading the Elektra is so much cheaper, however, like servicing it need to go back to Arthur in Melbourne. Mine is currently with Arthur to convert from a 5 to a 7 channels. Hint: worth contacting Arthur to find out the upgrade price before you purchase the 7 channels amp. While it is at Arthur, I've purchased another used 7 channels Elektra. Don't think the amp can be bridged, maybe Arthur can do his magic and convert of original HD5 into a Reference 3 to power my front 3 speakers. 

 

Another thing is to put into consideration is your speakers. The synergy of it and the amp and pre can make a huge different. Saying that the Emotiva and Elektra have similar profiles and will go well. I have tried my system with a Classe Sigma5 amp, Marantz NA11S1 dac and Elektra Pre, that combination really, open up the sound stage and woken up the lazy B&W Kevlar Mid drivers. 

 

Here is my journey so far.

1. Marantz 7012 + Rotel 1552Mk2 + B&W 805d2 + Htm4s + 705 = great for movie, nice powerful and clean sound, front stage accurate and dynamic. Surrounds okay, can turn up for volume but lacking in details. Music good, but sound stage tight, minimal instruments separation.

 

2.Marantz 7012 + Emotiva XPA 5 gen 3 + BW805d2 + Htm4s + 705= improvement from above: Movie: very dynamic, punchy, like going from Dolby Pro Logic to Dolby Digital, all channels are free and have its own sound, working together to delivery huge movie sound experience. However, the back surround and Atmos speakers are till somewhat lacking. At this time not much dolby atmos content and the back surround isn't as crucial. Music dynamic range expanded, sound stage opens up and becomes clearer, more air in between, stage separation improves.

 

3. Marantz 7012 + Emotiva XPA 5 + Elektra HD 5 + BW803d2 + Htm4s + 705 = Now, everything opens up, movies are coming to live with all channels firing, atmos speakers are still powered by the 7012 as they are tiny ceiling speakers. Music: cleaner, more air, more separation, begins to have more of a 3D effects. However, there are small sound miss matched with the different amps, and short on funds. So sold the Rotel, Emotiva and Htm4s. 

 

4. Marantz 7012 + Elektra HD5 + 803d2 + Htm4d2 + Elktra Pre(HT bypass)+ 705. Movie same, centre channel improves slightly with better highs, better matching of 5 channels, surround back little lacking. Music: 3D sounds, sound stage opens up, instruments can be easily identify and located on the stage. But some how lacking in base in the 60Hz area. So send the Pre and Power amp to Arthur for a check up and upgrade to a 7 channels. 

 

5. Marantz 7012 + Elektra HD7 + 803d2 + Htm2D2 + 705. Movie: much better matching in the front stage LCR are now very smooth, no need to +2 on the centre and the blending is now complete, big smile. All surrounds are matching. Music, without the elektra Pre and a new(used) elektra HD7, gave me back the missing bass however, the sound stage and details have lost for music. Hope to get my amp and pre back soon. 

 

 

Both amps will bring your movie and music to another level, also consider getting some good interconnects and speaker cables too. Get a used one, 1-2 years old unit will save you alot of money. If you are going for the Emotiva, then buy the number of channels you need as upgrading cost too much. If you are going for the Elektra then contact Arthur for the upgrade cost and by the best valued number of channels amp. Sorry, that might sound little cryptic but I don't want to step on anyone's toes. It can take some time though to get the amp back from Arthur, depending on how busy he is. 

 

For a 50/50 use I would go with a good AVR with 13 channels preout, a Pre with HT bypass for music and Elektra (if budget permits), good interconnects and 7 matching speakers and 2 subs. 

 

Source -> DAC -> Pre -> Amp - > speakers = Music

Movie source - >AVR -> HT bypass for LR -> Amp -> Speaker. For other speakers AVR = Amp directly. 

 

Have fun. 

 

 

 

    

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