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Power supply upgrade for Gross, Fein & Klein III DAC’s.

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On 27/11/2018 at 4:07 PM, buddyev said:

Anybody care to elaborate on what areas are improved with the new PSU?

For those who may have missed it, buddyev tried the 12V 4A PSU on the Gross:

 

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And.... Order placed and paid through your website. The price is right on the standard version for me ;)

 

Looking forward to trying :)

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Thanks Matt - Sorry I did not realise it was you when the site order came through. 

Now I know it is for your Gross DAC.

Cheers

Clay

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Haha, all good mate. You likely have a few of these coming through. Too many points of contact (site, email, SNA etc) 

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1 hour ago, MattyW said:

Haha, all good mate. You likely have a few of these coming through. Too many points of contact (site, email, SNA etc) 

Yep..thats correct.. mine went through as well 2 hours ago..  

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Hey guys thanks for all the support. I was just about on top of things & then the orders start to pour in again.

I’ve really got to keep more tabs on the critical parts - out of Jensen transformers now, reordered but about a ten day lead time   so no more Klein III’s for a couple of weeks.

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2 hours ago, Gieseler Audio said:

Hey guys thanks for all the support. I was just about on top of things & then the orders start to pour in again.

C'mon guys, we all know how much Clay loves tinkering!  Your orders are putting a stop to it!  :tongue: 😆 😂

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1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said:

C'mon guys, we all know how much Clay loves tinkering!  Your orders are putting a stop to it!  :tongue: 😆 😂

I'm too keen to hear the results of the stock unit ;)

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16 hours ago, Gieseler Audio said:

Also Silmic  caps are notorious for requiring long run in times to sound the best so maybe I just need to give it more time.

This is my understanding also, and I think Nelson Pass  mentioned 100 hours or something.

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Well I have just done another critical comparison of the Gross using 

1. std supplied 9v plugpack transformer.

2. Kraftwerk M18PSU 12v 4A unit.

3. All Silmic version of the Kraftwerk now with 100+ hours run in on the Silmic's.

With out a doubt the std Kraftwerk unit is clearly the best sounding & not by a small margin.

I did this test first thing in the morning so I was nice & relaxed & focused.

I just thought I would post this so anyone considering a PSU upgrade can be assured that currently my best sounding PSU is the Kraftwerk M18PSU 12v 4A unit.

Note & can also supply it with a 9v output.

 

 

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... and another order from me on the website.

 

you have until Christmas, Clay 🙂

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I just ordered via your website as well Clay

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Thanks guys - appreciate the vote of confidence.

 

Dam! - I will have to work all weekend now.

 

Also just mentioning anyone not hearing a worthwhile improvement in sound is welcome to send it back for a full refund.

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The on/off switch has value for me so I'll be keeping this either way ;)

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7 minutes ago, Gieseler Audio said:

Dam! - I will have to work all weekend now.

sure, but now you can put that pool in the backyard too.  ;)

 

Do you do 24v DC supplies for phono stages? Couldn't find an option on your website. If so, I'm happy to keep you busy. :)

 

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Actually the pool box is ticked - moved house last year & finally scored a pool - Pink Flamingo was extra!

 

OK 24v PSU - yes I should be able to do that OK.

It would be based on my 15v 2A unit but at 24v  -  cost would be $350

PM me if you want more info.

 

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14 hours ago, Muon N' said:

This is my understanding also, and I think Nelson Pass  mentioned 100 hours or something.

I use Silmic 2's in my builds also but have read that while excellent for coupling  duties (where the use of a film cap is impractical ) they are less good in power supplies. Just what I have read over a number of cap reviews not something I have tested.

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17 hours ago, MattyW said:

I'm too keen to hear the results of the stock unit ;)

Same - will find out at home next week! :)

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6 hours ago, Ozcall said:

I use Silmic 2's in my builds also but have read that while excellent for coupling  duties (where the use of a film cap is impractical ) they are less good in power supplies. Just what I have read over a number of cap reviews not something I have tested.

I like them in PS's, but then we all like different things, no real right or wrong when we delve into personal preferences :thumb:

 

I don't doubt that those who prefer another cap as being right, for them.

 

I think I'll have to look at one of these Kline lll's for a friend shortly.

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22 minutes ago, Muon N' said:

I like them in PS's, but then well all like different things, no real right or wrong when we delve into personal preferences :thumb:

 

I don't doubt that those who prefer another cap as being right, for them.

 

I think I'll have to look at one of these Kline lll's for a friend shortly.

You're free to try mine Ian? Will have it hooked up this weekend :)

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46 minutes ago, MattyW said:

You're free to try mine Ian? Will have it hooked up this weekend :)

Will need one that can be fed by a Cambridge CD-4se.

 

Thanks all the same, Matt :thumb:

 

Edit: I still need to check what digital socket it has one It's rear.

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Mines hooked up now. Chilling with some tunes. No critical listening for at least 24 hours though. Very grateful that you sent Express Post Clay. I can enjoy it over the weekend :D

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I don't know whether to be happy or upset. My digital content is outperforming my analog,  and for a fraction (1/4) of the cost since installing the Kraftwerk.

 

The Gross has gained a little body, and added micro detail really adding texture to sounds that I've not heard before.  Sound stage has become far more holographic,  up there with the best I've heard from vinyl with greater depth than before though width is improved also.

 

Another thing that has really massively improved is the sense of timing and pace. It's really noticeable when music switches between slower and faster paced sections and the change in energy between these segments.  I've never heard anything like it.  Just spectacular.

 

My analog setup can't replicate this the sense of timing and energy. Maybe after I get my Hashimoto HM-7 SUT.....  I guess I'll see.

 

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3 hours ago, MattyW said:

I don't know whether to be happy or upset. My digital content is outperforming my analog,  and for a fraction (1/4) of the cost since installing the Kraftwerk.

 

The Gross has gained a little body, and added micro detail really adding texture to sounds that I've not heard before.  Sound stage has become far more holographic,  up there with the best I've heard from vinyl with greater depth than before though width is improved also.

 

Another thing that has really massively improved is the sense of timing and pace. It's really noticeable when music switches between slower and faster paced sections and the change in energy between these segments.  I've never heard anything like it.  Just spectacular.

 

My analog setup can't replicate this the sense of timing and energy. Maybe after I get my Hashimoto HM-7 SUT.....  I guess I'll see.

 

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Whats that piece of Schiit doing there ? :P 

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Ha, that's my interface for doing LP rips. I've a Schiit Saga up top for input selection and volume control too. Some of their gear is quite decent ;)

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