Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 My adventure back into vinyl continues........ Received a record puck today, first thing was to test the accessory and see if there is any sonic difference. Played a reference LP (Covered, by Friend & Fellow, track 1). Amazing! voice is more solid and clean, nuances like breath in vocals and percussion is more pronounced and bass is more forthcoming. I am interested in others experience with the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Which puck, Chuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, candyflip said: Which puck, Chuck? Pro ject, 750gm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Got the same - never play a record without it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hydrology said: Got the same - never play a record without it on! I was gobsmaked mate!!! it is better on the "RingMat" over the solid cork mat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkNark Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) I am assuming that they lead to belt wear? If the belt is only small diameter, say a Rega P3 for example, and it had to spin up an additional 750 gm does it promote wear? Or is this a non issue? My sub platter, platter and leather mat have a mass of 2100 gm. So an additional 750 gm is and an extra 26% load, not including the record. I assume that most wear would happen at startup. Just thinking out aloud and wondering if it's worth trying Edited November 9, 2018 by DarkNark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I am assuming that they lead to belt wear? If the belt is only small diameter, say a Rega P3 for example, and it had to spin up an additional 750 gm does it promote wear? Or is this a non issue? My sub platter, platter and leather mat have a mass of 2100 gm. So an additional 750 gm is and an extra 26% load, not including the record. I assume that most wear would happen at startup. Just thinking out aloud and wondering if it's worth trying [emoji4]It's a question of where the weight sits. In this situation it's in the centre so not providing anywhere near as much inertia as if it was peripheral. Extra load on the belt would be minimal 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofeline Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, DarkNark said: I am assuming that they lead to belt wear? If the belt is only small diameter, say a Rega P3 for example, and it had to spin up an additional 750 gm does it promote wear? Or is this a non issue? My sub platter, platter and leather mat have a mass of 2100 gm. So an additional 750 gm is and an extra 26% load, not including the record. I assume that most wear would happen at startup. Just thinking out aloud and wondering if it's worth trying The extra load is on the bearing. The belt is not holding the extra weight, there will be negligible strain on the belt. The weights are not suitable for sprung turntables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DarkNark said: I am assuming that they lead to belt wear? If the belt is only small diameter, say a Rega P3 for example, and it had to spin up an additional 750 gm does it promote wear? Or is this a non issue? My sub platter, platter and leather mat have a mass of 2100 gm. So an additional 750 gm is and an extra 26% load, not including the record. I assume that most wear would happen at startup. Just thinking out aloud and wondering if it's worth trying At the sake of "belt wear" I would rather the sonic improvements. Edited November 9, 2018 by Guzzista 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkNark Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, Grizzly said: It's a question of where the weight sits. In this situation it's in the centre so not providing anywhere near as much inertia as if it was peripheral. Extra load on the belt would be minimal 48 minutes ago, audiofeline said: The extra load is on the bearing. The belt is not holding the extra weight, there will be negligible strain on the belt. The weights are not suitable for sprung turntables. Makes sense, I hadn't considered it this way. Thanks. 10 minutes ago, Guzzista said: At the sake of "belt wear" I would rather the sonic improvements. Would you mind sharing what your turntable and system is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, audiofeline said: The extra load is on the bearing. Which shirley will cause more wear? 1 hour ago, audiofeline said: The weights are not suitable for sprung turntables. Unfortunately not ... unless you change the springs to something stiffer. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 45 minutes ago, DarkNark said: Makes sense, I hadn't considered it this way. Thanks. Would you mind sharing what your turntable and system is? Its a Rega P3 with a basic Elys2 cart and a Rega Fono MM stage. played through a Pass Labs X2.5 pre and Pass Labs X250 pwr amp and Duntech DSM-15 speakers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted November 9, 2018 Author Share Posted November 9, 2018 45 minutes ago, andyr said: Which shirley will cause more wear? This is the last time I will ask you, DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkNark Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Guzzista said: Its a Rega P3 ....... Thanks for the info. I have just got a P3 myself, I'll have to give this a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ophool Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I always used a weight on my Rega deck in conjunction with a Funk Achromat. Might I suggest that you also try it with the cover completely removed during play, it should just lift out of the hinges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 hours ago, ophool said: Might I suggest that you also try it with the cover completely removed during play, it should just lift out of the hinges. +1!! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 11 hours ago, audiofeline said: The weights are not suitable for sprung turntables. Best of both worlds. Sprung, clamp and suction. Mind you, the clamp is only 221 grams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 And what about some brands and models recommendations? I see a few on the Classifieds, but don’t know what to get for a vintage player like mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 And what about some brands and models recommendations? I see a few on the Classifieds, but don’t know what to get for a vintage player like mine.I use one of the Michell clamps on mine Jon, seems to work though I can't say whether theres an audible difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Grizzly said: 42 minutes ago, candyflip said: And what about some brands and models recommendations? I see a few on the Classifieds, but don’t know what to get for a vintage player like mine. I use one of the Michell clamps on mine Jon, seems to work though I can't say whether theres an audible difference Ahhhhh. then is it really 'working' mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ophool Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 The Bren 1 is the model I have used (after the Michel which I tried first). I have had it a good number of years now and purchased it when he was only selling a few on ebay. The dimensions and weight are virtually those recommended by Rudolf Bruil on his Soundfountain site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 What is the purpose of using a clamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, jeromelang said: What is the purpose of using a clamp? People have different reasons. Main one is stability of the record surface. Damping of the record surface. (Energy induced by the stylus tracking). Flattening of the record surface. Clamp plus vacuum helps a lot here. Remember there is a lot of mechanical interaction in playing an LP and the quietening of everything else including stylus resonance can be paramount in LP playback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Wimbo said: People have different reasons. Main one is stability of the record surface. Damping of the record surface. (Energy induced by the stylus tracking). Flattening of the record surface. Clamp plus vacuum helps a lot here. Remember there is a lot of mechanical interaction in playing an LP and the quietening of everything else including stylus resonance can be paramount in LP playback. Mmm, I remember what Graeme Rodwell of The Soundcraftsman said to me many years ago, when I asked him about using a clamp on my LP12 (after having read that there were people who used clamps for precisely the reasons you say, W ). He said using a clamp will "lower the Q" of the vinyl ... and this is a bad thing - makes it boring (presumably because it constricts the energy in the vinyl?). Andy Edited November 10, 2018 by andyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 2 hours ago, andyr said: Mmm, I remember what Graeme Rodwell of The Soundcraftsman said to me many years ago, when I asked him about using a clamp on my LP12 (after having read that there were people who used clamps for precisely the reasons you say, W ). He said using a clamp will "lower the Q" of the vinyl ... and this is a bad thing - makes it boring (presumably because it constricts the energy in the vinyl?). Andy Doesnt make sense having energy in the vinyl bro, let the cantilever gather the actual energy. That said, horses for courses. The first thing you ever said to me was that I has Linnade. I agree, loved my Linn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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