joz Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, bob_m_54 said: I think the most telling aspect of the OP, is that most of the staff in these type of stores are only shop assistants and counter staff. There are very few salesmen or saleswomen these days. Ask any of them which component is the better of two, and why? Because this one goes to 11. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_m_54 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, joz said: Because this one goes to 11. A couple more: This one has 2000W this other one only has 100W...... I've got one and its great. It goes really loud....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergest Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, bob_m_54 said: I think the most telling aspect of the OP, is that most of the staff in these type of stores are only shop assistants and counter staff. There are very few salesmen or saleswomen these days. Ask any of them which component is the better of two, and why? But this is no different really to how it was 40 years ago when you bought from non hifi specialist shops. I started buying hifi from shops in the UK in the 70s and if you were looking at a separates system from the equivalent of a JB Hifi such as Currys then the staff would be pretty much clueless and the only way to demonstrate one set up against another was to turn it up loud. The selling points would be along the line of "This one has more LEDs" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_m_54 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Hergest said: But this is no different really to how it was 40 years ago when you bought from non hifi specialist shops. I started buying hifi from shops in the UK in the 70s and if you were looking at a separates system from the equivalent of a JB Hifi such as Currys then the staff would be pretty much clueless and the only way to demonstrate one set up against another was to turn it up loud. The selling points would be along the line of "This one has more LEDs" Possibly, though just going on personal experience, they did seem to be more proactive back then. For example, actually approaching you and asking how they could help, Opening the equipment manual and checking specs for things they didn't know. These days you have to find one, interrupt him while he chats up the bird on the desk, then when quizzed about the item he tells you, you can look it up online... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 hours ago, bob_m_54 said: Possibly, though just going on personal experience, they did seem to be more proactive back then. For example, actually approaching you and asking how they could help, Opening the equipment manual and checking specs for things they didn't know. These days you have to find one, interrupt him while he chats up the bird on the desk, then when quizzed about the item he tells you, you can look it up online... Which is to be expected since you can buy everything they have online which has killed the purpose for well staffed bricks and mortar stores on commodity equipment. Frankly, I'd rather just buy them online too now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Hergest said: But this is no different really to how it was 40 years ago when you bought from non hifi specialist shops... The selling points would be along the line of "This one has more LEDs" But 40 years ago they wouldn't have been blue LEDs! Those were really expensive once they developed the tech to make them and Krell was the first hi-fi manufacturer to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wartman Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 12:44 PM, Goatboy said: He went on to reveal that component manufacturers would cease production in a year. I assumed he meant JB would no longer stock components in a year (not that they have much of a range left), however he double downed when I asked him and nope - all component production would cease, and all attempts to disavow him of this notion failed. May as well have argued with a flat - earther. I thought the world was flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, wartman said: I thought the world was flat. Well ... you do live in Tassymania! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, wartman said: I thought the world was flat. Of course it is. Vinyl people need it to be thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussB Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I foolishly went into a JB store a few weeks ago and asked an attendant where the SACDs are. She replied that they stopped selling them a couple of years back at that store because no one was buying them. I guess that is understandable if they are not making any money out of them. And besides, most people would need components to play them at home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F18 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Well to be fair SACD’s was and still is a failed attempt of a medium upgrade to standard redbook audio and never did well because it never adapted to the industry mastering/recording uses and mainstream audio market. Edited November 10, 2018 by F18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Well to be fair SACD’s was and still is a failed attempt of a medium upgrade to standard redbook audio and never did well because it never adapted to the industry mastering/recording uses and mainstream audio market. Pure audio discs are even worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO2 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 12:44 PM, Goatboy said: ...thus proclaimed the JB HIFI salesperson. Last week I shifted my equipment racks and needed a couple of longer RCA cables. There are no dedicated hifi stores near me, so off to JB I went. I called ahead and they confirmed stock of 2 metre cables. When I arrived the 2 meter cables were headphone jack to 2 RCA. Me: I asked for 2 RCA to 2 RCA and they were confirmed in stock... JB Salesperson: No, we only have the headphone jack to RCA. Anyway why would you want 2 RCA to 2 RCA ? Me: ...to connect components... JB Salesperson: Oh I see, well no-one uses hifi components anymore. People use Bluetooth speakers. He went on to reveal that component manufacturers would cease production in a year. I assumed he meant JB would no longer stock components in a year (not that they have much of a range left), however he double downed when I asked him and nope - all component production would cease, and all attempts to disavow him of this notion failed. May as well have argued with a flat - earther. Anyhoo, I left with 3 RCA to 3 RCA cables as a stop gap and a major case of WTF?! So folks, buy up those components while you still can ! Not true at all, jb’s market target is for the smart phones and iPad, but for the enthusiast the market for hifi components is massive, turntables and vinyls are back, tubes amps are definetly in again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergest Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 2 hours ago, KO2 said: turntables and vinyls are back Bugger. I'd hoped vinyls had gone away for ever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisis Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 2:36 PM, audiofeline said: I had a similar experience at my workplace when I confronted the person responsible for our new website (and others) that reference material critical to our operation would not print correctly. I was told that people should not print from websites as they are designed for screen display, and that nowdays no-one ever prints anything anyway. Attempts to use logic and evidence did not change the mindset. His recommendation about printing form web sites is technically accurate. Although our of the industry for a while (mercifully) at the time web images (when designed properly) were 72dpi. Print resolution is generally 300dpi. You could often see a printed image from a web site as fairly grainy. These days however everyone is taking digital images at ridiculously high resolutions because data transfer is so much quicker. Our office printer (they used to be called copiers) has the scan resolution set to 300dpi with a minimum available of 200dpi (?). the result is that if you scan more than 5 or so pages in color the whole thing goes arse up and wont work. I asked the IT guy if it was configurable to 72dpi and apparently they are "working on it"... In other news the OP reminded me of a time when I went into Tonkins in Adelaide to buy a new CD staked for my car when my other one got pinched. The guy there told me he didn't know if they still had them because nobody used CDs anymore. Every one was using IPods. This was only a few years after IPods were a thing. Being a sound snob I dismissed him with extreme prejudice and bought my stacker. Later of course I adopted the IPod like everyone else albeit with WAV files and there is not a stacker to be seen... I do see the irony in JB telling you something is obsolete as they new happily stock vinyl. Again... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Hergest said: Bugger. I'd hoped vinyls had gone away for ever See the thing is, if something becomes obsolete once, it can't really become obsolete again, can it? There's endless sarcasm and no logic in that, so don't worry about proving it wrong Edited November 11, 2018 by Ittaku 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabijim Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 1:28 PM, Addicted to music said: Yes. You will also find that the next cable going down this endangered species list is Ethernet. Walk into any modern office and it’s all wifi. On 06/11/2018 at 1:34 PM, kdoot said: Cool This is my world. You're mostly right when it comes to how personal computing devices connect to a network, that's nearly all Wi-Fi. But it's Ethernet that bridges the wireless access point ("WAP") to the network core. Ethernet is the mainstay of every office network and there's nothing other than optical fibre competing for that role. I don't see Ethernet going anywhere been hit by the "hot desk" vogue yet? or outsourcing of project to consultants? at the minimalist extreme you got sterile desks with workers in fancy suits and designer glasses spilling into the kitchen hunched over 13in mac books hooked up to wi-fi. fine till the first OH&S lawsuit hits you cause Peterson can't stand up straight anymore, has gone half blind, gets his migraines at 12.30 now, and has a permanent case of T-rex typing limb. done properly - sit/stand desk, 2x monitors, desk phone with follow-me via your network log-in, USB dock for any laptop/tablet etc., etc... Ethernet or rather power over Ethernet, daisy-chaining the phone then computer, ties it all together. More so as NBN pushes everyone off analogue systems onto SIP based solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO2 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Hergest said: Bugger. I'd hoped vinyls had gone away for ever I have a massive collection of CD, but still prefer vinyls any day, specially a good pressed virgin vinyl on a tube amp, to my ear, to far to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KO2 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 On 06/11/2018 at 6:00 PM, Bunno77 said: I've had similar experiences in JB and other stores. When sales staff are so ignorant, arrogant and completely wrong I just turn around and walk out. Usually they continue talking or trying to get me back in. I don’t even bother going in any jb stores, they sell rubbish crap and there is nothing there for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I don’t even bother going in any jb stores, they sell rubbish crap and there is nothing there for me.Yeah it was for a phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chigurh Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 The Staff at JB are hopeless. When USB-C was relatively new I was chasing a USB-C to A adapter. First he said they didn't exist so I told him they were on JB's website so then he said they were out of stock (without even checking). I spotted one on the shelf behind him and reached over his shoulder and grabbed it. His excuse was that it was impossible to know every article in the shop. I just said "nice work mate". He replied "whatever" and went back to staring at his phone. I left some negative feedback on their FB page. Made me feel better anyway. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batty Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 11:09 AM, Hergest said: Bugger. I'd hoped vinyls had gone away for ever I don't have any vinyls, plenty of vinyl records though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolster Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/11/2018 at 10:06 AM, KO2 said: I have a massive collection of CD, but still prefer vinyls any day, specially a good pressed virgin vinyl on a tube amp, to my ear, to far to compare. @KO2 Just be aware, as a newish member, that you are getting sly grief for using the plural for vinyl. No biggie but it irritates some who play vinyl and records but not vinyls. More importantly, thanks for contributing to our forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_m_54 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Batty said: I don't have any vinyls, plenty of vinyl records though But I bet ya have a fixie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acg Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 On 07/11/2018 at 7:35 AM, bob_m_54 said: A couple more: This one has 2000W this other one only has 100W...... I've got one and its great. It goes really loud....... My speakers are 2.4m tall with a lot of drivers. Without fault, every (non-audiophile) person that walks into that room goes "man they must go loud!" or "who you trying to deafen!" or something else to do with loudness. If only they knew... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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