Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 So, imagine you're me. You have a turntable, floorstanders, and big integrated amp out in the living room with your TV and HTPC. This setup has worked perfectly for you for a while now. Enter a very energetic and inquisitive 9 month old who is soon to be walking. At some point, your handsy child is going to find your turntable and try to figure out which bits come off when yanked. You need a bedroom setup, away from tiny, adorable destructo-hands. You also don't have a great deal of money, but might be able to scrape together a little over $1k before it's too late. You were able able to secure a pair of 15 year old Monitor Audio Bronze B2 bookshelf speakers for all of $90, and now you need something to power them. Being a bedroom setup, you'd prefer something modern with auto-standby to avoid waking up on fire. You'd also prefer new for similar reasons. Irrespective of whether new or second hand, you can see a couple of different directions amplification could take within the $500-$1200 range; Option 1 - Marantz PM6006 or NOS PM6005 Pros: You know that you like the sound of Marantz with Monitor Audio Cons: MM stage is useless to you, meaning an extra box in the bedroom to keep the MC cart Option 2 - Yamaha A-S701 Pros: A lot of power for the money Cons: Yammy might prefer a warmer speaker? It's big MM stage is useless to you Option 3 - Rega Brio-R (likely second hand) Pros: You've heard these powering Dyna 2/6s and have no doubt the power rating is conservative. It also sounded very clean. Everybody loves this thing Compact Cons: Expensive No DAC No standby You're not sure how much of the praise is just the Cult of Rega (no offense, but, you know) MM stage is useless to you Option 4 - Onkyo A-9070 (where still available) Pros: MC Phono! 3 digital inputs Decent power (75w p/c) Old model so shops might do a deal Cons: Onkyo might sound a bit brittle if pushed Outside your price range unless the deal is VERY good Just how good could the phono stage be? Huge Option 5 - Onkyo A-9150 (basically the A-9070 with better components and half the power, for slightly less money) Option 6 - Yamaha R-N803D Pros: Every mod-con you could possibly need Everything said about the A-S701 Cons: Too much going on in the one box? Everything said about the AS701 Expensive Thoughts? Bear in mind that $1500 would be the absolute ceiling. I know I'm losing the benefit of the MC cart by saddling it with mid-fi speakers and amps, but the idea is to move the turntable back to the main system once the little one is old enough to understand "don't touch that" (i.e. somewhere between 6 and 26 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrews_melb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I was in a similar situation, with turntable and exposed tubes glowing... raised TT on the wall, at chest height. Sorted that problem, but understand not every one can do that. i swapped the valve amp for a rega elex and havnt looked back. i dont think an amp without a DAC is a Con - i even like amps with no phono as if your half serious you have an external one (sounds like you are all over it already) could the speakers be mounted on a wall? Ive done this for same reasons as you, the MAs are front ported from memory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Andrews_melb said: I was in a similar situation, with turntable and exposed tubes glowing... raised TT on the wall, at chest height. Sorted that problem, but understand not every one can do that. i swapped the valve amp for a rega elex and havnt looked back. i dont think an amp without a DAC is a Con - i even like amps with no phono as if your half serious you have an external one (sounds like you are all over it already) could the speakers be mounted on a wall? Ive done this for same reasons as you, the MAs are front ported from memory. It's a thought, but the kid has given us some indication that they are going to be a climber, so I'd sooner remove the TT from view altogether. The speakers in the living room are KEF Q700 floorstanders, and can't really live anywhere else - I'm going to have to leave the grills on and hope for the best on that front. The MA B2s were picked up for the bedroom specifically, where the little one won't be a factor. They are front ported, thankfully, which will make positioning much easier. I agree that ditching onboard extras can be better (leaves you to pick and choose better components to suit your tastes) but the truth is that space in the bedroom is at a premium, and compactness is going to trump fidelity to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrews_melb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 In that case what about a Bluesound Power node or similar, you can still put a TT in through the analogue input. obviously not ideal, but would be a small little unit doing all of your digital and turntable needs with a hidden away phono stage? i only know the bluesound product but im sure there are many similar. also then you can add similar eco system speakers nodes ect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janjuggler Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Hi, There is a PS Audio Sprout in the classifieds, which like many you say, only has a MM, may be worth a think about. JJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Andrews_melb said: In that case what about a Bluesound Power node or similar, you can still put a TT in through the analogue input. obviously not ideal, but would be a small little unit doing all of your digital and turntable needs with a hidden away phono stage? i only know the bluesound product but im sure there are many similar. also then you can add similar eco system speakers nodes ect That's an interesting option I hadn't considered. I have no experience with Class D amps like that, but the form factor is certainly appealing. That said, the Yamaha R-N803D, while much bigger, does all that, with more power (Class AB) and had DAB+ as well. So it's a footprint vs. features question if I decide to go the 'feature-packed' route. Both seem great, truth be told. Thank you for the suggestion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Janjuc said: Hi, There is a PS Audio Sprout in the classifieds, which like many you say, only has a MM, may be worth a think about. JJ Not a bad idea - although I've heard these really fall apart when you push them. I think I'd have to hear one in person to know if it's going to work for me. Thank you for the heads up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, twofires said: Not a bad idea - although I've heard these really fall apart when you push them. I think I'd have to hear one in person to know if it's going to work for me. Thank you for the heads up! Correct. Fine if you like form over function and/or if you have very efficient speakers,but even then I wouldn't bother. Edited October 11, 2018 by rantan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batty Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Cyrus One???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrews_melb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 One annoying thing if using a powernode or similar would be that you’d need to open the app to select the TT and change volume. I think. unless they have a way to set it as a button on the unit itself. power wise with the MAs it would drive them fine, and has internet radio built in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Instead of amp get a child protection fence and isolate one area of living room absolutely safe for a child. Not only hfi is dangerous, kitchen, bathroom, all electric equipment, stairs, doors, corridors, glass or any sharp object/furniture (BTW furniture needs to be fixed to the wall), corners needs to be cover with soft rubber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 @Irek razor wire has been suggested in like situations in the past. Doesn’t work if carpets are light in colour. Not the brio Does a bedroom system require a TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Batty said: Cyrus One???? I hadn't even considered the little grey box company. Interesting. No DAC, but aptX Bluetooth. Interesting. 2 hours ago, Andrews_melb said: One annoying thing if using a powernode or similar would be that you’d need to open the app to select the TT and change volume. I think. unless they have a way to set it as a button on the unit itself. power wise with the MAs it would drive them fine, and has internet radio built in App control is actually a plus, as I'd likely be listening propped up in bed. Internet radio also a plus. 1 hour ago, Irek said: Instead of amp get a child protection fence and isolate one area of living room absolutely safe for a child. Not only hfi is dangerous, kitchen, bathroom, all electric equipment, stairs, doors, corridors, glass or any sharp object/furniture (BTW furniture needs to be fixed to the wall), corners needs to be cover with soft rubber. This option has been considered to some extent, but ultimately the shape of the room makes that sort of solution difficult. As for fixing furniture to the wall, there's an extremely heavy 5x5 Kallax that I'll be doing that to shortly. It'd kill ME if it fell, let alone the baby. 38 minutes ago, djb said: @Irek razor wire has been suggested in like situations in the past. Doesn’t work if carpets are light in colour. Not the brio Does a bedroom system require a TT? This kid is likely to chew the pointy bits off and ask for seconds. Any particular reasoning against the Brio (other than it doesn't have standby)? And no, the bedroom doesn't require the TT, but the TT requires the safety of the bedroom. It's either the bedroom or pack it into a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Then I’d box it for a few years 3-4 brio is not very good sounded veiled and loow powered to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 So far the most surprising thing is that nobody has really said anything about the PM6006. I would have thought there'd be a few fans of Marantz integrated amps lurking about. Also, any thoughts on Yamaha and MA together? I know there are fans of the A-S2100s here - does anything of the character of that amp trickle down to their lesser offerings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 1 minute ago, djb said: brio is not very good sounded veiled and loow powered to my ears. Out of curiosity, what was the rest of the setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al.M Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) If I read correctly the B2 $90 Speakers are good but would not need a $1200 amp. There are many cheaper alternatives used and just as good depending how old an amp you are ok with like Audiolab 8000s, Roksan Kandy, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, Naim, Yamaha AS1100 etc all in the $300-$1000 Range. Lookup Cafad’s SNA member posts on many reviews of integrated amps for ideas. Edited October 12, 2018 by Al.M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Al.M said: If I read correctly the B2 $90 Speakers are good but would not need a $1200 amp. There are many cheaper alternatives used and just as good depending how you are ok with like Audiolab 8000s, Roksan Kandy, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, Naim, Yamaha AS1100 etc all in the $300-$1000 Range. Lookup Cafad’s SNA member posts on many reviews of integrated amps for ideas. I take your point. If an A-S1100 came up in that price range (once I have my pennies together) I would not hesitate. I need some VU meters in my life. If the bedroom setup worked for me in the long term I'd probably upgrade the speakers down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cope Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, rogersquared said: I know, right? About 2 months too soon, otherwise perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djb Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Brio set up was at CAV SO IT HAD TO COMPETE WITH THEIR DOGS. A friend was auditioning a newly released Chord Hugo! Dac. All in all SQ very poor Edited October 12, 2018 by djb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treemender Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Audiolab 8000A I used with some Monitor Audio's but also the Linn Intek is a decent amp. Both with MC/MM Audiolab you have the option to add the 8000P and bi-amp (which I did) Both pretty bulletproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cope Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 @Treemender I wonder if the new Audiolab is comparable in terms of house sound. The M-One looks quite cool. No phono at all, but small enough to tuck my little Emotiva XPS behind it. Might have to check it out. I have to say I've never auditioned anything Linn before - seems out of my league. For new, at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treemender Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 There is an Intek on fleabay. Some of of the older Cyrus amps if you like compact. My favourite would be a Naim Nait 3, you can get one with MC board if you are lucky, but you can also buy the boards. I ran one of these through some Ruark bookshelf’s and I could sit for hours immersed in the sound. For a bedroom system I’d be happy with these, but my room is too big. I’ve listened to newer amps but I seem to always buy older. Something about the retro look and feel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Was going to mention D class. Have just ordered a NAD integrated D class with possible view to having less components and more function in my second rig . (Possible seasonal swap for tubes in main rig too. Will be tricky to do both at once. ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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