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2019-2020 seems to be an interesting year with projectors coming our way. nothing concrete as yet but I am getting a bit of here say/ scuttle butt what will be 3rd hand info 

 

in any case with IFA in germany in 2 weeks and Cedia in september coming up what do we have so far ?

 

courtesy of arrowav,

 

on EPSON,

 

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This from EPSON regarding IFA and CEDIA: 

"One more highlight on the booth is a demonstration of the newest developments in Epson's 3LCD-projection technology."

So it looks like there's something new from the EPSON camp... smile.gif

 

JVC 

 

Arrowav has also shared an image of a new JVC vs the current Z1 beast

 

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and jvc has a teaser video of it saying its coming cedia 2018

 

some conjecture it will have the beautiful all glass monester lens fo the Z1... whatever this new beast is :) some conjecture it is the 8k eshift version used on simulation side JVC does. some will remember JVC developed this with NHK engineers for displaying 8k with their broadcasts. so possible its a model above the z1 in sony 5000es territory. or could it also be an in-between model to bridge the huge chasm that exists between the 9900 and z1 consumer projectors ? 

 

conflicting info on the current range lower rung JVC

 

courtesy of ozHDHT

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I've just had a round of info flow through this morning from my local JVC contacts. What I'm hearing is as expected, native 4K and still lamp based for the 4 & 5 series. However the 6 series series will feature e-shift 8K and could be laser driven, wasn't a certainty. 

 

Oz also suggests there wont be a Z2 or anything and thats been scrapped. there is general all around concern on drop in native contrast with any changes with new JVCs time will tell I guess when if we have something more concrete :)


SONY

also from ozHDHT on sony,

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Spoke to my contact at Sony today to see if I could add to what I've learned from JVC about what will be coming to IFA. Sony will have a model VW870 as a next step from the VW760. Word is better lens and also some lens options plus dual laser and finally a dynamic iris (could be dimming I think even). It's a pretty big jump towards RS4500 cost territory (exact price point in fact), not a true $20-$25K VW1100 price point replacement. Will be very interesting to see how it compares to the 4500.

 

which would be great news ! its about time they rolled back out that gorgeous ARC-F lens last used on the 1000/1100ES. anyways lets see it could be in the bridge between the 760es and jvc Z1 as has been stated.

 

anyways thats all I can find around the traps, anyone with anything else including on the other brands eg benq post it here,

 

I'm sitting pretty and very happy with what I have but I do tend to refresh every 3 years or so ... so never know if some tasty morsel comes along :D 

 

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I'll go one better than that I hope. I'll have my new site www.4Kprojectors.com.au up and running and we'll have specs and overviews, reviews with direct links to all the main forum threads around the

Hello my precious......

 

From Nigel  ...ARROW-AV :)

 

 

 

New SONY and JVC Projectors | IFA & CEDIA – FURTHER UPDATE

 

Here’s the latest up to date information with respect to new projectors to be launched at IFA and CEDIA:

 

SONY:

  • SONY 870ES: New 4K laser projector to sit above the 760ES. RRP £35,000.

 

DUAL Laser with (finally) a proper dynamic iris and significantly higher contrast performance.  

 

JVC:

  • New native 4K lamp-based projector range to replace existing eShift lamp-based projector range which is to be discontinued; wherein, the new flagship X9900/RS640 replacement will be eShift 8K.

 

There is a possibility, but yet to be confirmed, an eShift lamp-based projector might be retained at a lower new entry level price point.

 

  • HDR10+ support to be added to existing JVC Z1

 

Please kindly note that this is the indicative information so is yet to be definitively confirmed. I will provide the full details live from IFA

 

 

Again From Nigel ..........on the NEW mystery projector ( From JVC Teaser Video) Chassis size..

 

I am thinking it's actually significantly smaller as compared with the JVC RS4500/Z1 and relates to the new chassis and housing with respect to the native 4K lamp-based projector range that will be replacing the existing 4,5,6 / X5, X7, X9 series eShift projectors range; which has been designed to compliment the design of the JVC RS4500/Z1...

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Hopefully the pricing  of the new PJ's will be  within reach of those that aspire to owning them.  I cant imagine JVC pricing  their bulb based native 4K panel projectors to be uncompetitive  against Sony's offerings , so it will be very interesting indeed.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tasso said:

 

Hopefully the pricing  of the new PJ's will be  within reach of those that aspire to owning them.  I cant imagine JVC pricing  their bulb based native 4K panel projectors to be uncompetitive  against Sony's offerings , so it will be very interesting indeed.

 

 

that is a concern indeed, I hope they dont blow pricing out the park ! though i suspect a miracle if they manage to keep within current pricing. 

 

the other concern people have is impact on contrast which is a big consideration for many buying into jvc, 

 

with sony i am a bit suprised with the pricing of the 870es ...35k GBP ? really ? though the 5000es does retail at 50k GBP though perhaps he is right. that just seems way way off from where the 1000ES/1100ES retailed at which was more like 17k GBP or locally here in the $35k mark but who knows could be some vagaries of UK pricing ?

 

I also look forward to what epson brings to replace their 9300 bulb and 11500 laser models that have a good following just needs a full bandwidth chip. similarly benq has a great following there were just a few things a bit scratchy in their line up so hopefully they are coming up with some refreshes too.

 

All hopefully making for some good options for people looking to buy PJs in 2019  :)

 

 

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I think JVC RRP pricing  for 4K panels won’t be too far off current RRP , but they won’t be discounting  to the same extent as they  are at the moment.  That way they can keep up demand  for new PJ’s without burning existing owners. 

 

As far a Sony goes, I can’t quite fathom the  pricing for their premium projectors but since they have been able to sustain strong demand,  they seem to know the market.  The actual  760ES street prices in Australia are close to the best in the world when I last checked and hopefully the 870ES will have the same advantage for Australian buyers. However, knowing Sony , introducing a high output , dual laser pj with premium lens  ( and sophisticated video processing options) will make them want to price it higher than the Z1.

 

its a long way off yet and I wouldn’t presume to prejudge  how the new Sony will look.  But  dual laser could help them achieve better BT 2020 coverage without light loss ,  which would make it pretty versatile in terms of installation options 

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2 hours ago, :) al said:

 

 

with sony i am a bit suprised with the pricing of the 870es ...35k GBP ? really ? though the 5000es does retail at 50k GBP though perhaps he is right. that just seems way way off from where the 1000ES/1100ES retailed at which was more like 17k GBP or locally here in the $35k mark but who knows could be some vagaries of UK pricing ?

 

 :)

 

 

The 870ES is aimed "Directly" at the JVC Z1, ..... Pricing in the UK for the Z1 is also 35k GBP ...hence the Sony pricing.:)

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2 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

The 870ES is aimed "Directly" at the JVC Z1, ..... Pricing in the UK for the Z1 is also 35k GBP ...hence the Sony pricing.:)

ah I see... that makes sense. we must be getting the z1 here at an awesome bargain then at $35-39k AUD :)

 

but then I think the pricing on rest of JVCs are also pretty sharp here :)

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6 minutes ago, :) al said:

ah I see... that makes sense. we must be getting the z1 here at an awesome bargain then at $35-39k AUD :)

 

but then I think the pricing on rest of JVCs are also pretty sharp here :)

Yes, JVC pricing here in AUS is VERY good.:)

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, wooferocau said:

 

SONY:

  • SONY 870ES: New 4K laser projector to sit above the 760ES. RRP £35,000.

 

 

 

My goodness, how do you fit $60K AUD worth of electronics and optics into something the size of a couple of shoeboxes? 

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8 minutes ago, swervyn said:

My goodness, how do you fit $60K AUD worth of electronics and optics into something the size of a couple of shoeboxes? 

LARGE shoeboxes..? ?

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7 minutes ago, swervyn said:

My goodness, how do you fit $60K AUD worth of electronics and optics into something the size of a couple of shoeboxes? 

I don't think   Sony will follow the extreme UK pricing here.   It might be more expensive but I doubt if it will be in a different price class. 

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30 minutes ago, Tasso said:

 

I guess this will also mean an end  to the  Z1 vs 760ES comparisons  ?

suspect will then turn into

 

mythical JVC beast Z2? vs 870Es

 

.... Round 2 *Ding* *Ding* off we go again :D 

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6 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

Z1 Arrival and packing....:)

 

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oh yeah !! would expect the sony if any similar will be same or larger even  ! :D who knows ! 

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Just now, :) al said:

suspect will then turn into

 

mythical JVC beast Z2? vs 870Es

 

.... Round 2 *Ding* *Ding* off we go again :D 

 

 It will be Z1 vs 870ES.    But  lets see if Kris Deering will have  a shot at owners  of JVC native 4k  PJ's ( at $20k cheaper than 870ES)   for being pleased  with them when the 870ES will have a better lens.    ? Sorry about that -  but  it does illustrate the silliness of some forum debates.

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JVC will still be lamp based in the X series (or whatever they decide to call them) models for 2019 with the flagship 9 series being something special probably native 4K and new lens. All I'm told is 'something very special is coming for the 9 series'... Japan don't do chinese whispers.. it's a chinese thing ?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

JVC will still be lamp based in the X series (or whatever they decide to call them) models for 2019 with the flagship 9 series being something special probably native 4K and new lens. All I'm told is 'something very special is coming for the 9 series'... Japan don't do chinese whispers.. it's a chinese thing ?

to be perfectly honest I dont really mind they leave them as lamp, they can keep their lasers till pricing on them come down to sanity :D

 

I also am glad to hear they are doing something special with the 9 series. they really need it. just this hand picked business and jacking their output up a teeny bit more for a bit more lumens doesnt really cut it to make it a flagship :) be interesting to see what comes ....  looking forward to the japanese whispers :D  

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12 hours ago, :) al said:

to be perfectly honest I dont really mind they leave them as lamp, they can keep their lasers till pricing on them come down to sanity :D

 

I also am glad to hear they are doing something special with the 9 series. they really need it. just this hand picked business and jacking their output up a teeny bit more for a bit more lumens doesnt really cut it to make it a flagship :) be interesting to see what comes ....  looking forward to the japanese whispers :D  

Likely just 8k eshift. which IMO is not very useful at all if its going to be lamp based. In real practice thats not going to manifest into a visual improvement worth much at all unless your nose is literally on the screen, contrast can be seen from miles away.

 

I would prefer a laser, and I would pay a premium for it. The lamp based low contrast panels in the 4K units are going to be handicapped by NOT having a laser with excellent dynamic dimming that can fully shut off if that is the case. Unless they have considerably cracked the contrast issue of 4k panels low contrast yields which I highly doubt!. They doubled the pixel densities on the panel but they were not quite able to reduce the interpixel gaps by the same magin, which is what reduced the contrast. I would have thought it would have been better to enlarge the chip size and keep considerably better contrast when goin to a UHD panel. JVC have the smaller UHD panels out there! They shot themselves in the foot IMO.

 

So you might have a X7 series version still eshift 5 with 160k:1 contrast, then a native 4k X9 series but still lamp based and only 40k:1 contrast with eshift 8k (10k:1 wide open iris).... that presents a conundrum! Sony has contrast specs more usefual than that right now, they are near 20k wide open iris on some of the range.

 

One of the prime things that makes the Z1 an exceptional choice is its laser dimming system, if it did not have that, you would take away one of the prime reasons for owning it. Its native contrast without dimming is just far too low to be competitive and worth it. It doesnt matter how sharp its lens is.

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yep non interest in 8k even if those pixel peepers will no doubt I am sure once its released be telling us why we should have in the in our setups ! :D 

 

am happy to sit out the lasers as long as priced insanely whether any benefit with dimming or not since  happy with lamp as it is, yep have my concerns re contrast as well :)

 

one thing of interest is that according to arrowav the sony 870es for instance will have  dynamic iris (unlike the 760es) to use with its dimming - just as apparently the JVC Z1 does. good to see the makers competing such. can only be a good thing for end users :)

 

anyways be interesting what comes ! 

 

ps tasso whether like it or not arrowav has posted that he has pre order the sony 870 and will be comparing with both current jvc and sony options,

 

 courtesy ArrowAv re sony 870es,

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 Well, I've already pre-ordered it and I will be carrying out an impartial comprehensive in-depth objective scientific evaluation and review of it, which will include comprehensive direct comparisions versus both the SONY 760/885ES and JVC RS4500/Z1, with some blind testing, and the full array of measurements etc. So let's see how it performs comparatively, eh? 

 

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8 hours ago, :) al said:

 

 

ps tasso whether like it or not arrowav has posted that he has pre order the sony 870 and will be comparing with both current jvc and sony options,

 

 courtesy ArrowAv re sony 870es,

 

 

It 'll be interesting to see what the new PJ can do.     I know dynamic iris is a big deal for a lot of people, but I  am not a fan  since I could see it  cutting in and out. However,  I thought JVC contrast was very good anyway and didnt need it.  I can see the benefit for manual iris adjustment  however and it is something I would use if I had the facility.     I know I am not in the majority with that view!

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Just a word on resolution guys.   While there is clearly  a limit to how good an image can look relative to the screen size and viewing distance,   The charts we see published on the subject are at best a rough guide only, particularly for a discerning bunch of videophiles.  

 

In terms of screen sizes and seating distance, my previous setup was a 110" 16x9 screen  with a seating distance of around 4.3M.  The cinemascope movies were smaller still with black bars and the extra resolution from  native 4K panels was  noticeable  ( with 1080p material as well although the difference here isn't massive in overall terms) .   But the real differences come with genuine 4k discs using 4K intermediates ( and 4K mastered TV shows). There is a world of difference in projected resolution  between the 4K masters vs upscaled 2K  projected through 4k panels.  In fact I dont think the  resolution of the upscaled disc is materially better than the bluray ( upscaled to 4k by the projector) although it does have HDR and a broader colour gamut.  

 

Zoomed in to my current 140" cinemascope screen,  the "true 4K" resolution never fails to impress,  but the talk of 8K  has got me thinking about the  possibilities again. Since there is unlikely to be a decent range of commercially available 8K material  for some years to come,  there is plenty of time to figure that out.  In the meantime, the new range of JVC projectors should be very well received  as more "genuine" 4k material becomes available.  .

 

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On 12/08/2018 at 12:22 PM, wooferocau said:

 

From Nigel  ...ARROW-AV :)

 

 

 

New SONY and JVC Projectors | IFA & CEDIA – FURTHER UPDATE

 

Here’s the latest up to date information with respect to new projectors to be launched at IFA and CEDIA:

 

SONY:

  • SONY 870ES: New 4K laser projector to sit above the 760ES. RRP £35,000.

 

DUAL Laser with (finally) a proper dynamic iris and significantly higher contrast performance.  

 

JVC:

  • New native 4K lamp-based projector range to replace existing eShift lamp-based projector range which is to be discontinued; wherein, the new flagship X9900/RS640 replacement will be eShift 8K.

 

There is a possibility, but yet to be confirmed, an eShift lamp-based projector might be retained at a lower new entry level price point.

 

  • HDR10+ support to be added to existing JVC Z1

 

Please kindly note that this is the indicative information so is yet to be definitively confirmed. I will provide the full details live from IFA

 

 

Again From Nigel ..........on the NEW mystery projector ( From JVC Teaser Video) Chassis size..

 

I am thinking it's actually significantly smaller as compared with the JVC RS4500/Z1 and relates to the new chassis and housing with respect to the native 4K lamp-based projector range that will be replacing the existing 4,5,6 / X5, X7, X9 series eShift projectors range; which has been designed to compliment the design of the JVC RS4500/Z1...

JVC:

  • New native 4K lamp-based projector range to replace existing eShift lamp-based projector range which is to be discontinued; wherein, the new flagship X9900/RS640 replacement will be eShift 8K.

I'm considering buying a 7900 or 9900 but this almost makes me wonder if I should wait until the new ones are released if they are going to be native 4k. 

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Let's hope. I think we should wait for the actual specs to be released.. I was told similar but not the 8K thing.. that's the special suprise I gather then.

 

If they don't go native 4K now they're going to miss the boat.. Not that I think they need to, e-shift is incredibly clever and these models from the past 2 years deliver the best pictures in the game (if you factor in they have the highest native contrast of any projectors anywhere)

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2 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

Let's hope. I think we should wait for the actual specs to be released.. I was told similar but not the 8K thing.. that's the special suprise I gather then.

 

If they don't go native 4K now they're going to miss the boat.. Not that I think they need to, e-shift is incredibly clever and these models from the past 2 years deliver the best pictures in the game (if you factor in they have the highest native contrast of any projectors anywhere)

I should have looked into projectors earlier in the year instead of looking so close to release!!! 

I might kick myself if I spend a packet on one now only to have a native 4k available in a couple of months. On the other hand, will the difference between e-shift and native 4k really matter. 

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19 minutes ago, flamjam said:

I should have looked into projectors earlier in the year instead of looking so close to release!!! 

I might kick myself if I spend a packet on one now only to have a native 4k available in a couple of months. On the other hand, will the difference between e-shift and native 4k really matter. 

IFA is just end of this month....

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11 hours ago, flamjam said:

I should have looked into projectors earlier in the year instead of looking so close to release!!! 

I might kick myself if I spend a packet on one now only to have a native 4k available in a couple of months. On the other hand, will the difference between e-shift and native 4k really matter. 

Some say there's a difference if you find the right UHD disc ie not a fake 4K one, have perfect convergence, a great lens and get everything else in the universe lined up perfectly, then there's about a 2% difference whilst sitting 1 meter away.. Obviously I see stuff all difference myself.. contrast is something VERY noticeable however.

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Some say there's a difference if you find the right UHD disc ie not a fake 4K one, have perfect convergence, a great lens and get everything else in the universe lined up perfectly, then there's about a 2% difference whilst sitting 1 meter away.. Obviously I see stuff all difference myself.. contrast is something VERY noticeable however.
Good call. These current ones tick so many boxes, it might be better to take the deals instead of paying more for a tiny gain
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18 hours ago, Tasso said:

The cinemascope movies were smaller still with black bars and the extra resolution from  native 4K panels was  noticeable  ( with 1080p material as well although the difference here isn't massive in overall terms)

So you can get more resolution out then you put in, thats a good trick.

A 4K projector can't get any more resolution out of 1080 video than a 2K projector, in fact a 2K projector has WAY more resolution than any 2K video.

You still can't get your head around the the concept that resolution and sharpness are seperate issues, why is that??

18 hours ago, Tasso said:

There is a world of difference in projected resolution  between the 4K masters vs upscaled 2K  projected through 4k panels.

I don't find "a world of deference" between a properly processed 2K Bluray and the same title on 4K Bluray when viewing on a LCD flat panel 1 to 1 pixel mapped, and the LCD achieves 100% MTF at 4K rather than less than 10% with that Sony projector of yours. Whats vitally important in such a comparison is that the 2K and 4K versions are calibration matched, if you don't do that any comparison is pointless as its apples to oranges.

When brightness, gamma, colour and sharpness are all matched its shocking how small a difference resolution alone makes.

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15 hours ago, flamjam said:

I should wait until the new ones are released if they are going to be native 4k. 

Wait and find out if contrast takes a dive in the native 4K model, if it does its not a clear cut decision at all.

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58 minutes ago, Owen said:

So you can get more resolution out then you put in, thats a good trick.

A 4K projector can't get any more resolution out of 1080 video than a 2K projector, in fact a 2K projector has WAY more resolution than any 2K video.

You still can't get your head around the the concept that resolution and sharpness are seperate issues, why is that??

I don't find "a world of deference" between a properly processed 2K Bluray and the same title on 4K Bluray when viewing on a LCD flat panel 1 to 1 pixel mapped, and the LCD achieves 100% MTF at 4K rather than less than 10% with that Sony projector of yours. Whats vitally important in such a comparison is that the 2K and 4K versions are calibration matched, if you don't do that any comparison is pointless as its apples to oranges.

When brightness, gamma, colour and sharpness are all matched its shocking how small a difference resolution alone makes.

Isn't this 'extra res' simply line doubling? No extra res, just extra pixels with the same information in them as the other pixels.

 

Two movies now come to mind where I MUCH prefered the 2K version - mad max fury road and oblivion. I've even shown others this. No difference in visible resolution detected at seating positions from 3 to 5.5 metres which pretty much covers 90% of viewing distances.. The 2K transfers were much cleaner without the image grain. Both films on the same projector, watching the same scene, so you're familiar with it, back and forth.

 

At the end of the day if 4K hadn't come out at all, nobody would be complaining about the quality of blu rays on giant screens. They did however shove it down our throats and people soaked it up.

 

JVC's pixel gap is like fishing line, you don't even need the E-shift thing turned on.. in fact many don't ever use it... Sometimes when I've demoed this, I've left it off after the demo and didn't even know it was off next time I went to use it. Different story with the lcds as pixel gap is pretty noticeable.

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6 hours ago, Owen said:

So you can get more resolution out then you put in, thats a good trick.

A 4K projector can't get any more resolution out of 1080 video than a 2K projector, in fact a 2K projector has WAY more resolution than any 2K video.

You still can't get your head around the the concept that resolution and sharpness are seperate issues, why is that??

Don't be ridiculous.   I dont have time to indulge your craziness - in fact I doubt anyone does.     You really need to stop making stuff up and passing it off as knowledge to support your theory that your obsolete projector cannot be bettered.  

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5 hours ago, oztheatre said:

At the end of the day if 4K hadn't come out at all, nobody would be complaining about the quality of blu rays on giant screens. They did however shove it down our throats and people soaked it up.

I would like to place a bet that you will change your mind once you have become familiar with JVC's new native 4k panel projectors.     I agree that there is nothing wrong with 2K blu-ray resolution on a big projection screen and I am  very happy with those results, but  some of the genuine 4K releases  are simply better.

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10 hours ago, Tasso said:

Don't be ridiculous.   I dont have time to indulge your craziness - in fact I doubt anyone does.     You really need to stop making stuff up and passing it off as knowledge to support your theory that your obsolete projector cannot be bettered.  

I know right! What a joke.

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16 hours ago, oztheatre said:

Isn't this 'extra res' simply line doubling? No extra res, just extra pixels with the same information in them as the other pixels.

 

Two movies now come to mind where I MUCH prefered the 2K version - mad max fury road and oblivion. I've even shown others this. No difference in visible resolution detected at seating positions from 3 to 5.5 metres which pretty much covers 90% of viewing distances.. The 2K transfers were much cleaner without the image grain. Both films on the same projector, watching the same scene, so you're familiar with it, back and forth.

 

At the end of the day if 4K hadn't come out at all, nobody would be complaining about the quality of blu rays on giant screens. They did however shove it down our throats and people soaked it up.

 

JVC's pixel gap is like fishing line, you don't even need the E-shift thing turned on.. in fact many don't ever use it... Sometimes when I've demoed this, I've left it off after the demo and didn't even know it was off next time I went to use it. Different story with the lcds as pixel gap is pretty noticeable.

Oblivion UHD bluray is significantly worse than the bluray version, its a TON softer. Detail is literally missing, so you are not wrong thee on your hunch. See here:

 

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=431&y=200&d1=11748&d2=11747&s1=115765&s2=115787&l=0&i=7&go=1

 

and here:

 

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=509&y=203&d1=11748&d2=11747&s1=115764&s2=115785&l=0&i=6&go=1

 

Lucy however is one where there is a good deal of difference between the two versions if you know where to look.

 

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=535&y=236&d1=11823&d2=11822&s1=116518&s2=116505&l=0&i=6&go=1

 

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=604&y=328&d1=11823&d2=11822&s1=116519&s2=116506&l=0&i=7&go=1

 

Cant wait for Owen to tell me there is no difference between the the comparisons above.... :)

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Yeah there are differences seen in still images, like you said previously, if you switched them out when nobody was looking or looked away it would be hard to tell the difference. The E-shift thing has worked extremely well for JVC but if they don't go native 4K they're going to miss the boat.. so either way it will happen.. I think they call it progress haha

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5 minutes ago, oztheatre said:

Yeah there are differences seen in still images, like you said previously, if you switched them out when nobody was looking or looked away it would be hard to tell the difference. The E-shift thing has worked extremely well for JVC but if they don't go native 4K they're going to miss the boat.. so either way it will happen.. I think they call it progress haha

I was referring to the 4K Sony I used to own vs the best eshift can do both with a UHD source. The same could be said about Audio though, if you dont listen to something back to back you are almost never going to be able to articulate differences in quality, so yes, everything must be done in a live A/B comparison to really see.

 

Here, I am referring to 2k source vs a 4k source of the same film viewed natively.

 

Now, MadVR can get these much closer, but the 4K version still wins 100% of the time, so long as the transfer is done well and the actual master exists in 4k. It has MUCH better colour and the detail is simply better no doubt about it.

 

Oblivion is the one where not only does the 2K Bluray look far better than the broken 4K version of the film, if you were to introduce MadVR, then it completely destroys the UHD version.

 

Lucy and Sully can get very, very close with MadVR, but the UHD version again beats it with subtle differences. One can be played on any UHD player, the other requires a hectic graphics card and PC to do.

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