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2 hours ago, betty boop said:

hi Dilatante, dont take my comments to say "doesnt sound any better" , as i clarified just a few posts ago(previous page), I have lets face it not actually done a side by side, let lone any sort of comparison to say anything bar its along similar lines. I am only being measured and cautious in my comment as to say any otherwise would be a stretch. all can comment is given what am experiencing now which to be honest now the av8805 has settled in am actually very happy with it. ive experienced in recent times some amazing sounds tracks like doctor sleep which is just about mind blowing i think ! district 9 and such. but i have to keep in context even if comparing i am running an extra height Ch (centre height) speaker too with the av8805 and loving the scale of front stage eg with concerts too have experienced eg with bohemian rhapsody or star is born. processing and such has come a long ways too... so when am talking things like denon avp-a1 as awesome as made, dont take it i want to be going back there or anything. am absolutely loving the 3D audio and processing capabilities we have now. my comments are more in lament of what if ... they indeed did an all out affair like the avp or what if we could have a more accurate calibrated mic of audyssey pro ... and such...

 

my comments might might also be irrelevant as am running a 13 channel setup and one to two subs which likely no real bearing on your setup either. I'd also be cautious with any comments of huge step up or anyone saying something destroys the other or anything like that. i have heard quite a few pres in my time and you are definitely talking subtleties rather than major jumps between brands and models. if any more than that would be asking why ? eg it could be like anthem that plays back 6-10db louder even if calibrated to 75db for reference ! this is kind of thing can throw folk. or it could be some brand signature which might be a preference either way between brands  ...but something like av8802a to av8805 id expect plenty of similarities in signature and the subtleties of what is better likely only discerned in close comparisons ... which are not particularly easy to do mind you ! when talking some 15-16 channels to connect disconnect, power down fire up loading media and getting projector up and such between them.

 

definitely check out and compare for self with what you have and that ways have your own insights and in your own context to best make decisions.

 

 

its definitely and option many folk take ...


Ok thanks. The best ideal option would be to get a separate dedicated 2ch pre with HT bypass or stereo integrated amp with HT bypass for music and get either the 8805 or some other processor for movies (HT). Yeah....I’m only limited to 5.1 / 5.2 setup and won’t be able to do 3D audio eg Atmos setup. that’s why I’m very content with my SSP 800 but recently started giving me minor issue, so I really want to get rid of it before it gets worse. And plus if I wait any longer to sell my SSP 800 its resale value will further plummet. That’s a drawback of all obsolete HT processors like my SSP 800, their resale values suffer. 

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2 hours ago, betty boop said:

sorry no, as much as i respect the rotel gear .... and have even demoed both amps and processors etc in my own setup. they just dont seem to gel with me / my setup. so not explored the michi...but it still got my attention it looks like fabulous gear and am sure quite excellent :) am also point i guess very happy with my pre power in the 2ch side... so when reaching that point of contentment not really looking :D i do think rotel should do some processors like they did back in the day... eg the big screen flagship 1098 they used to once do with its sophisticated plug in card. the rotels were very popular back in the day and likely still would be especially with no option from classe....


Rotel imo is very well known for their amps. they make great amps for the money. Their HT processors and AVRs are very buggy and people usually avoid buying Rotel AVRs & HT processors. HDMI board issues and other software bugs that Rotel consistently fails to fix.
Their amps however are excellent and offer great values, the best bang for your buck kinda thing. 
Rumor has it that in the future Rotel probably won’t be making any more HT products (AVRs & HT processors). We’ll see I guess.
 

Rotel’s high end line Michi is strictly 2ch. 

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11 minutes ago, Dilatante said:


Ok thanks. The best ideal option would be to get a separate dedicated 2ch pre with HT bypass or stereo integrated amp with HT bypass for music and get either the 8805 or some other processor for movies (HT). Yeah....I’m only limited to 5.1 / 5.2 setup and won’t be able to do 3D audio eg Atmos setup. that’s why I’m very content with my SSP 800 but recently started giving me minor issue, so I really want to get rid of it before it gets worse. And plus if I wait any longer to sell my SSP 800 its resale value will further plummet. That’s a drawback of all obsolete HT processors like my SSP 800, their resale values suffer. 

 

though i suspect the av8805 like prior marantz will still be pretty decent 2ch and music wise, this approach splits the need between 2ch and ht. while i have had decent amount years with each pre processor have owned in the last couple its inevitable the tech moves on and no need to have to upgrade both 2ch and ht side in the one go . i know what you mean re the ssp800, i have seen a few issues coming up amongst owners threads as well.  so probably best to move on while can. with resale if kept long enough and enjoyed i just look at it pragmatically of having had moneys worth and any loss is just the cost of ownership

 

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Rotel imo is very well known for their amps. they make great amps for the money. Their HT processors and AVRs are very buggy and people usually avoid buying Rotel AVRs & HT processors. HDMI board issues and other software bugs that Rotel consistently fails to fix.
Their amps however are excellent and offer great values, the best bang for your buck kinda thing. 
Rumor has it that in the future Rotel probably won’t be making any more HT products (AVRs & HT processors). We’ll see I guess.
 

Rotel’s high end line Michi is strictly 2ch. 

 

true in current years, but wasnt issue for them back in pre hdmi days i guess .things we re a lot simpler and uncomplicated then.... lot more possibilities of issues now. i notice cambridge audio has also given up pretty much on the av side... sticking to 2ch only these days...

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3 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

though i suspect the av8805 like prior marantz will still be pretty decent 2ch and music wise, this approach splits the need between 2ch and ht. while i have had decent amount years with each pre processor have owned in the last couple its inevitable the tech moves on and no need to have to upgrade both 2ch and ht side in the one go . i know what you mean re the ssp800, i have seen a few issues coming up amongst owners threads as well.  so probably best to move on while can. with resale if kept long enough and enjoyed i just look at it pragmatically of having had moneys worth and any loss is just the cost of ownership


When I had a take home demo of the 8802 few yrs back I felt its 2ch performance for music wasn’t on the same level as my Classe SSP 800 and/or other high end dedicated 2ch preamp offerings from Classe, Mac, ARC (Audio Research), Levinson, Pass, Naim & Linn to name a few. I felt the need for a dedicated 2ch pre with the 8802. With the SSP 800 I don’t feel the need for a good dedicated high end 2ch pre for music as it satisfies the need for both 2ch & HT. 
 

I’ve had the SSP 800 for almost 10 yrs now so I guess it has served me well. 

 

true in current years, but wasnt issue for them back in pre hdmi days i guess .things we re a lot simpler and uncomplicated then.... lot more possibilities of issues now. i notice cambridge audio has also given up pretty much on the av side... sticking to 2ch only these days...

Yup, although I’ve never owned any Rotel HT processors but heard from many who owned older Rotel HT processors (pre HDMI) in the past that many claimed they were very reliable and never had issues. 

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4 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

though i suspect the av8805 like prior marantz will still be pretty decent 2ch and music wise, this approach splits the need between 2ch and ht. while i have had decent amount years with each pre processor have owned in the last couple its inevitable the tech moves on and no need to have to upgrade both 2ch and ht side in the one go . i know what you mean re the ssp800, i have seen a few issues coming up amongst owners threads as well.  so probably best to move on while can. with resale if kept long enough and enjoyed i just look at it pragmatically of having had moneys worth and any loss is just the cost of ownership

 

 

true in current years, but wasnt issue for them back in pre hdmi days i guess .things we re a lot simpler and uncomplicated then.... lot more possibilities of issues now. i notice cambridge audio has also given up pretty much on the av side... sticking to 2ch only these days...

 


When I had a take home demo of the 8802 few yrs back I felt its 2ch performance for music wasn’t on the same level as my Classe SSP 800 and/or other high end dedicated 2ch preamp offerings from Classe, Mac, ARC (Audio Research), Levinson, Pass, Naim & Linn to name a few. I felt the need for a dedicated 2ch pre with the 8802. With the SSP 800 I don’t feel the need for a good dedicated high end 2ch pre for music as it satisfies the need for both 2ch & HT. 
 

I’ve had the SSP 800 for almost 10 yrs now so I guess it has served me well. 

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16 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

though i suspect the av8805 like prior marantz will still be pretty decent 2ch and music wise, this approach splits the need between 2ch and ht. while i have had decent amount years with each pre processor have owned in the last couple its inevitable the tech moves on and no need to have to upgrade both 2ch and ht side in the one go . i know what you mean re the ssp800, i have seen a few issues coming up amongst owners threads as well.  so probably best to move on while can. with resale if kept long enough and enjoyed i just look at it pragmatically of having had moneys worth and any loss is just the cost of ownership

 

 

true in current years, but wasnt issue for them back in pre hdmi days i guess .things we re a lot simpler and uncomplicated then.... lot more possibilities of issues now. i notice cambridge audio has also given up pretty much on the av side... sticking to 2ch only these days...


Yup, Cambridge Audio has given up completely on the AV side and just sticking to 2ch only. 
 

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17 hours ago, Dilatante said:

When I had a take home demo of the 8802 few yrs back I felt its 2ch performance for music wasn’t on the same level as my Classe SSP 800

I’d expect that, the classe cost about 3x price of av8802. 

 

17 hours ago, Dilatante said:

and/or other high end dedicated 2ch preamp offerings from Classe, Mac, ARC (Audio Research), Levinson, Pass, Naim & Linn to name a few. I felt the need for a dedicated 2ch pre with the 8802

If remember in demoing with my cousin we felt the same re the ssp800 comparing with classe own dedicated 2ch pre amp. The classe cp700 he has is a wonderful piece though. And top end 2ch pre’s live in a upper stratosphere that only a few inhabit let alone expecting Av processor to be at that level with all its compromises is a bit of a stretch of expectations id suggest.
 

that said it is about a balance of compromises. For some and I know a few with Marantz av8801/av8802 that have used as 2ch duties. And been very happy with it at that and multichannel use.. I too in comparisons been part off tend to agree these Marantz are actually pretty decent in 2ch and for most folk unless spending just as much again to 2-3x on 2ch stratospheric pre as you can, unlikely for them to be worth getting anything else or even an option !

 

5 hours ago, Dilatante said:

Yup, Cambridge Audio has given up completely on the AV side and just sticking to 2ch only


not surprised ... brands doing both Av and 2ch are a rarity and diminishing bunch now days. We have the growing bunch of dedicated Av processor brands instead and that tending to be their sole focus. I should check out the av8805 for 2ch duties as suspect if anything like predecessor and Marantz music matters approach be interesting if continues along those lines ...

 

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22 hours ago, betty boop said:

these Marantz are actually pretty decent in 2ch and for most folk unless spending just as much again to 2-3x on 2ch stratospheric pre as you can, unlikely for them to be worth getting anything else or even an option !

Pretty much agree, you need to spend similar money on a 2ch pre to make meaningful improvements.

 

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On 01/03/2021 at 1:57 PM, betty boop said:

I’d expect that, the classe cost about 3x price of av8802. 

 

If remember in demoing with my cousin we felt the same re the ssp800 comparing with classe own dedicated 2ch pre amp. The classe cp700 he has is a wonderful piece though. And top end 2ch pre’s live in a upper stratosphere that only a few inhabit let alone expecting Av processor to be at that level with all its compromises is a bit of a stretch of expectations id suggest.

Yes, the Classe CP 700 is a great sounding analog 2ch pre and it’s very expected that the SSP 800 can’t compete with CP 700 in 2ch. The SSP 800’s stereo analog audio input & output stages were based on the CP 700 but of course the CP 700 would perform better since it is a dedicated 2ch analog pre with external PSU. there’s much less crosstalk, noise and interference and no digital audio video board no DAC with the CP 700 since it is only a pure 2ch analog pre. plus its PSU is external so will be no noise & vibration generated from the power supply. whereas there are compromises made with all AV preamp surround processors and the SSP 800 was no exception but these compromises are kept to minimal with the SSP 800 compared to most other surround processors ( especially cheaper ones). 

Just curious when you and your cousin compared the SSP 800 & CP 700, did you guys have the SSP 800 configured or set to stereo analog bypass mode when listening in stereo? Cause it would make a big difference sonically. The stereo analog bypass mode would completely bypass DSP and other digital processings. 

 

that said it is about a balance of compromises. For some and I know a few with Marantz av8801/av8802 that have used as 2ch duties. And been very happy with it at that and multichannel use.. I too in comparisons been part off tend to agree these Marantz are actually pretty decent in 2ch and for most folk unless spending just as much again to 2-3x on 2ch stratospheric pre as you can, unlikely for them to be worth getting anything else or even an option !


yeah.....the 2ch performance of the Marantz 8802 is very decent especially considering its price point and it is a surround processor after all. 
I was able to talk to a local Marantz dealer here in Seattle and they are willing to lend me their demo or floor model of AV8805 for me to do take home demo. So I will be picking that up sometime this week and will report back. I’m also considering other options as well eg Anthem AVM90, NAD M17 v2 or Krell Foundation for HT. 

I’m only limited to 5.2 or possibly 7.2 setup at the most. Won’t be able to do 3D audio such as Dolby Atmos setup though.
 

I will most likely get a dedicated 2ch analog pre with HT bypass. I am able to reconfigure my rack space and room in order to accommodate for a dedicated 2ch pre. For a dedicated analog 2ch pre I am considering several tube options from Cary Audio, ARC (Audio Research), Luxman as well as SS options from Accuphase, Levinson, PS Audio BHK hybrid pre, or possibly a new Classe Delta Pre. I will also get a stereo amp to power my front LR speakers and look for a three-channel amp or a five-channel amp to power my center & surround speakers. Right now I’m using Classe Sigma Amp5 five-channel classs D amp and will probably use it for my center & surrounds and am highly considering the PS Audio BHK 250 hybrid stereo power amp for my front LR speakers. 


not surprised ... brands doing both Av and 2ch are a rarity and diminishing bunch now days. We have the growing bunch of dedicated Av processor brands instead and that tending to be their sole focus. I should check out the av8805 for 2ch duties as suspect if anything like predecessor and Marantz music matters approach be interesting if continues along those lines ...


Yup. Especially smaller companies like Classe or Linn or Naim to name  few, they won’t be able to keep up with the ever changing AV world as the formats chenge over time both on the video & surround audio sides. 

 

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On 01/03/2021 at 1:57 PM, betty boop said:

I’d expect that, the classe cost about 3x price of av8802. 

 

If remember in demoing with my cousin we felt the same re the ssp800 comparing with classe own dedicated 2ch pre amp. The classe cp700 he has is a wonderful piece though. And top end 2ch pre’s live in a upper stratosphere that only a few inhabit let alone expecting Av processor to be at that level with all its compromises is a bit of a stretch of expectations id suggest.
 

that said it is about a balance of compromises. For some and I know a few with Marantz av8801/av8802 that have used as 2ch duties. And been very happy with it at that and multichannel use.. I too in comparisons been part off tend to agree these Marantz are actually pretty decent in 2ch and for most folk unless spending just as much again to 2-3x on 2ch stratospheric pre as you can, unlikely for them to be worth getting anything else or even an option !

 


not surprised ... brands doing both Av and 2ch are a rarity and diminishing bunch now days. We have the growing bunch of dedicated Av processor brands instead and that tending to be their sole focus. I should check out the av8805 for 2ch duties as suspect if anything like predecessor and Marantz music matters approach be interesting if continues along those lines ...

 


Yes, the Classe CP 700 is a great sounding analog 2ch pre and it’s very expected that the SSP 800 can’t compete with CP 700 in 2ch. The SSP 800’s stereo analog audio input & output stages were based on the CP 700 but of course the CP 700 would perform better since it is a dedicated 2ch analog pre with external PSU. there’s much less crosstalk, noise and interference and no digital audio video board no DAC with the CP 700 since it is only a pure 2ch analog pre. plus its PSU is external so will be no noise & vibration generated from the power supply. whereas there are compromises made with all AV preamp surround processors and the SSP 800 was no exception but these compromises are kept to minimal with the SSP 800 compared to most other surround processors ( especially cheaper ones). 

 

Just curious when you and your cousin compared the SSP 800 & CP 700, did you guys have the SSP 800 configured or set to stereo analog bypass mode when listening in stereo? Cause it would make a big difference sonically. The stereo analog bypass mode would completely bypass DSP and other digital processings. 


yeah.....the 2ch performance of the Marantz 8802 is very decent especially considering its price point and it is a surround processor after all. 
I was able to talk to a local Marantz dealer here in Seattle and they are willing to lend me their demo or floor model of AV8805 for me to do take home demo. So I will be picking that up sometime this week and will report back. I’m also considering other options as well eg Anthem AVM90, NAD M17 v2 or Krell Foundation for HT. 

I’m only limited to 5.2 or possibly 7.2 setup at the most. Won’t be able to do 3D audio such as Dolby Atmos setup though.

 


I will most likely get a dedicated 2ch analog pre with HT bypass. I am able to reconfigure my rack space and room in order to accommodate for a dedicated 2ch pre. For a dedicated analog 2ch pre I am considering several tube options from Cary Audio, ARC (Audio Research), Luxman as well as SS options from Accuphase, Levinson, PS Audio BHK hybrid pre, or possibly a new Classe Delta Pre. I will also get a stereo amp to power my front LR speakers and look for a three-channel amp or a five-channel amp to power my center & surround speakers. Right now I’m using Classe Sigma Amp5 five-channel classs D amp and will probably use it for my center & surrounds and am highly considering the PS Audio BHK 250 hybrid stereo power amp for my front LR speakers. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Dilatante said:

I was able to talk to a local Marantz dealer here in Seattle and they are willing to lend me their demo or floor model of AV8805

Let us know your thoughts! I’ll be very interested given your speakers etc.

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Let us know your thoughts! I’ll be very interested given your speakers etc.

I will for sure. 

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3 hours ago, Dilatante said:

 

Just curious when you and your cousin compared the SSP 800 & CP 700, did you guys have the SSP 800 configured or set to stereo analog bypass mode when listening in stereo? Cause it would make a big difference sonically. The stereo analog bypass mode would completely bypass DSP and other digital processings. 

absolutely we wanted to give the ssp800 the best chance... for him if as a one box if hit the spot, one less box in the rack, some money to re coup to fund the avp purchase....

 

3 hours ago, Dilatante said:

yeah.....the 2ch performance of the Marantz 8802 is very decent especially considering its price point and it is a surround processor after all. 
I was able to talk to a local Marantz dealer here in Seattle and they are willing to lend me their demo or floor model of AV8805 for me to do take home demo. So I will be picking that up sometime this week and will report back. I’m also considering other options as well eg Anthem AVM90, NAD M17 v2 or Krell Foundation for HT. 

I’m only limited to 5.2 or possibly 7.2 setup at the most. Won’t be able to do 3D audio such as Dolby Atmos setup though.

 

good to hear ! best way to know where something is for your or not. Certainly some other options there, definitely  check out the nad (have recommended this to others as well, very well made thing) and it doesnt go as far as channels which is probably what want :) the krell is now no longer current so be aware of any particular issues ... with anthem the avm90 i actually had some interest in , explored pretty heavily...was very disappointed to find the current anthem processors are basically the AVR with amps pulled out though $500 cheaper than the avr for that reason... for the processor version all it is then is some tinkering with dac and such. even the avm90 looks pretty much identical vs the avm70 under the hood and yet they for some reason want to charge double what the avm70 is !  the avm90 is now delayed to later this year, i suspect next year .... and hopefully they do indeed do something to it in as far as what delivers for the money :) as its not a very convincing argument for the moment.

 

3 hours ago, Dilatante said:

I will most likely get a dedicated 2ch analog pre with HT bypass. I am able to reconfigure my rack space and room in order to accommodate for a dedicated 2ch pre. For a dedicated analog 2ch pre I am considering several tube options from Cary Audio, ARC (Audio Research), Luxman as well as SS options from Accuphase, Levinson, PS Audio BHK hybrid pre, or possibly a new Classe Delta Pre. I will also get a stereo amp to power my front LR speakers and look for a three-channel amp or a five-channel amp to power my center & surround speakers. Right now I’m using Classe Sigma Amp5 five-channel classs D amp and will probably use it for my center & surrounds and am highly considering the PS Audio BHK 250 hybrid stereo power amp for my front LR speakers. 

if 2ch is important to you...something should very much explore... keeping in mind too that each brand has their own signatures .... and if also going for a stereo power amp... another factor that drives choice in 2ch press is also the pre power matching. something quite essential i beleive as much as power amp is important to match to speakers.....

 

if already have a classe multichannel power amp, i would think the classe 2ch pre and stereo power would be a no brainer...cant imagine too many processors even being remotely close to this combo in delivering for 2ch :) appreciate again though if the AV processor might still be a better option in reducing box count and costs... 

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5 hours ago, betty boop said:

absolutely we wanted to give the ssp800 the best chance... for him if as a one box if hit the spot, one less box in the rack, some money to re coup to fund the avp purchase....

 

good to hear ! best way to know where something is for your or not. Certainly some other options there, definitely  check out the nad (have recommended this to others as well, very well made thing) and it doesnt go as far as channels which is probably what want :) the krell is now no longer current so be aware of any particular issues ... with anthem the avm90 i actually had some interest in , explored pretty heavily...was very disappointed to find the current anthem processors are basically the AVR with amps pulled out though $500 cheaper than the avr for that reason... for the processor version all it is then is some tinkering with dac and such. even the avm90 looks pretty much identical vs the avm70 under the hood and yet they for some reason want to charge double what the avm70 is !  the avm90 is now delayed to later this year, i suspect next year .... and hopefully they do indeed do something to it in as far as what delivers for the money :) as its not a very convincing argument for the moment.

 

if 2ch is important to you...something should very much explore... keeping in mind too that each brand has their own signatures .... and if also going for a stereo power amp... another factor that drives choice in 2ch press is also the pre power matching. something quite essential i beleive as much as power amp is important to match to speakers.....

 

if already have a classe multichannel power amp, i would think the classe 2ch pre and stereo power would be a no brainer...cant imagine too many processors even being remotely close to this combo in delivering for 2ch :) appreciate again though if the AV processor might still be a better option in reducing box count and costs... 

 

Yes, heard great things about the NAD M17 v2 the one with Dirac Live room correction, not the original M17 w/ Audyssey. Thanks for the heads up re Krell Foundation. I will scratch that off my list then. I will add the Audio Control Maestro M9 to my short list. There’s an Audio Control dealer outside Seattle about 75 miles north of Seattle close to US/Canada border. By the way, Audio Control is based out of greater Seattle area. So, it’s local. They use Dirac Live as well. I was thinking about the Lyngdorf Mp-50 but there’s no dealer in our state. the closest one will be in SF bay area in California. Too far of a drive, more like 12 to 13 hour drive from Seattle. Won’t work. 
 

In regards to Anthem processors, I heard the same about the AVM60, which is actually their flagship AVR (MRX 1120) minus power amps and costs only USD $500 cheaper than the MRX 1120 avr. Might also be true with the AVM70, which replaces AVM60. Not sure about the AVM90 which isn’t released yet. 
 

So now I narrow down the choices between the Marantz AV8805, NAD M17 v2 & Audio Control M9 for HT. 
 

As for 2ch analog pre for music, the new Classe Delta Pre 2ch pre has built-in DAC. I prefer a pure all analog pre since I already have a very good digital front end source component (Cary Audio CD 306 SACD player/DAC professional edition). Plus the new Classe Delta Stereo 2ch power amp and Delta Mono monoblock amps are way out of my price range and will be overkill for my speakers, unless if I upgrade my speakers. The new Classe Delta Stereo 2ch power amp retails for USD $14k here and the new Delta Mono monoblock amps are USD $22k for the pair. And the new Delta Pre 2ch preamp/DAC is USD $10k here. Too much for my system setup. I prefer tube pre or something like PS Audio BHK linestage pre, which is a hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. Heard great thing about these PS Audio BHK series. If I end up with this pre I would most likely go with their matching PS Audio BHK 250 stereo amp, which is also a hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. 
 

I will report back re AV8805 this weekend once I have it hooked up in my own setup at home. Can’t thank you enough for your advises, inputs, thoughts and suggestions. 

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So now I narrow down the choices between the Marantz AV8805, NAD M17 v2 & Audio Control M9 for HT. 

Did the NAD M17 get a dts-x decoder put in Teddy ? Its getting a bit long in the tooth now though certainly well engineered except for the cheapo parallel sub out ; its  got balanced xlrs  and mini s video ports for the ceilings and ide check if the dirac is the old proprietary one or its replacement all the new pre pros like the audio control have ..

 

Another one to look at is the acurus muse which has much more configuration with its 16chs and is a bargain in the US . It has peq for its room eq and a fancy multi mike easy ASPEQT system 

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2 hours ago, Dilatante said:

Yes, heard great things about the NAD M17 v2 the one with Dirac Live room correction, not the original M17 w/ Audyssey. Thanks for the heads up re Krell Foundation. I will scratch that off my list then. I will add the Audio Control Maestro M9 to my short list. There’s an Audio Control dealer outside Seattle about 75 miles north of Seattle close to US/Canada border. By the way, Audio Control is based out of greater Seattle area. So, it’s local. They use Dirac Live as well. I was thinking about the Lyngdorf Mp-50 but there’s no dealer in our state. the closest one will be in SF bay area in California. Too far of a drive, more like 12 to 13 hour drive from Seattle. Won’t work. 

the lyngdorf have a good rep, no idea on 2ch but they have had some focus on that in the past. the audio control is really an arcam with different dac and the arcams are buggy as hell from all accounts ... last time i went from SF to Seattle I caught a plane :D 

 

2 hours ago, Dilatante said:

In regards to Anthem processors, I heard the same about the AVM60, which is actually their flagship AVR (MRX 1120) minus power amps and costs only USD $500 cheaper than the MRX 1120 avr. Might also be true with the AVM70, which replaces AVM60. Not sure about the AVM90 which isn’t released yet. 
 

we already have under hood shots of avm70 and avm90 and really theres 2/5ths of nothing between them and yes the avm70 in configuration looks very similar to the avm60 and its donor AVRs. anthem no longer do dedicated processors like they did back in the day with the anthem D2V and such ...

 

2 hours ago, Dilatante said:

As for 2ch analog pre for music, the new Classe Delta Pre 2ch pre has built-in DAC. I prefer a pure all analog pre since I already have a very good digital front end source component (Cary Audio CD 306 SACD player/DAC professional edition). Plus the new Classe Delta Stereo 2ch power amp and Delta Mono monoblock amps are way out of my price range and will be overkill for my speakers, unless if I upgrade my speakers. The new Classe Delta Stereo 2ch power amp retails for USD $14k here and the new Delta Mono monoblock amps are USD $22k for the pair. And the new Delta Pre 2ch preamp/DAC is USD $10k here. Too much for my system setup. I prefer tube pre or something like PS Audio BHK linestage pre, which is a hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. Heard great thing about these PS Audio BHK series. If I end up with this pre I would most likely go with their matching PS Audio BHK 250 stereo amp, which is also a hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. 

so many options really worth your while exploring each just as doing with the processor... pre pwr matching is important as is matching power amp to speakers...so important to find what best works for your setup and tastes and likely thats going to be different to what anyone thinks is best choice... 

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Did the NAD M17 get a dts-x decoder put in Teddy ? Its getting a bit long in the tooth now though certainly well engineered except for the cheapo parallel sub out ; its  got balanced xlrs  and mini s video ports for the ceilings and ide check if the dirac is the old proprietary one or its replacement all the new pre pros like the audio control have ..

 

Another one to look at is the acurus muse which has much more configuration with its 16chs and is a bargain in the US . It has peq for its room eq and a fancy multi mike easy ASPEQT system 

Washington Cello Technologies Seattle
  6220 Roosevelt Way NE, Suite 200
  Seattle, WA  98115 
  tel: 206-256-0900
  fax: 206-256-0909
 

tom.hall@celloseattle.com

 

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Hi Colin, I think the NAD M17 v2 fully supports and decodes Atmos & DTS-X but will find out about which version of Dirac it comes with. Thanks for the heads up. 
 

Will look into the Acurus processor and will get in touch with Cello Technologies Seattle. Thank you for the info and much appreciated. They are actually by one of my local dealer Definitive Audio Seattle. There’s also another hifi shop on that same block where Definitive Audio is called Hawthorne Stereo but they only sell 2ch stuff. 

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10 hours ago, betty boop said:

the lyngdorf have a good rep, no idea on 2ch but they have had some focus on that in the past. the audio control is really an arcam with different dac and the arcams are buggy as hell from all accounts ... last time i went from SF to Seattle I caught a plane :D 

 

we already have under hood shots of avm70 and avm90 and really theres 2/5ths of nothing between them and yes the avm70 in configuration looks very similar to the avm60 and its donor AVRs. anthem no longer do dedicated processors like they did back in the day with the anthem D2V and such ...

 

so many options really worth your while exploring each just as doing with the processor... pre pwr matching is important as is matching power amp to speakers...so important to find what best works for your setup and tastes and likely thats going to be different to what anyone thinks is best choice... 

 

Nowaday Lyngdorf is more of a HT focus although they are still making digital stereo integrated amps with Room Perfect built in but they are class D amp and will digitize their analog inputs. Yes, ideally one should board a plane to go to SF Bay Area from Seattle but I’ve been avoiding that since COVID ?


It’s unfortunate that Anthem no longer makes dedicated HT processors like the Anthem Statement D2V2, which I believed was the last real genuine processor from Anthem. 

 

When it comes to 2ch pre/power combo, yes I will be really careful in matching the pre to the amp and of course to my speakers as well as to my front end source component (my Cary Audio CD 306 SACD player/DAC). I believe in system synergy. There are many options out there. I prefer a tube pre with SS power amp combo which usually (but not always) would yield very good sonic result. Or a hybrid design like the PS Audio BHK line with tube input stage and SS output stage. If I had a separate dedicated listening room and setup for 2ch music and home theater in separate rooms and systems I probably would have gone all tubes for my dedicated 2ch setup for music with tube pre & tube amp or a tube integrated amp. But since I am combining HT & 2ch music in the same system I would have to go with SS power amp for front LR speakers. 
 

Again thank you.

Will report back when I get my hands on the Marantz AV8805 later in the week. 

 

 

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Hi Colin, I think the NAD M17 v2 fully supports and decodes Atmos & DTS-X but will find out about which version of Dirac it comes with. Thanks for the heads up. 
 

Will look into the Acurus processor and will get in touch with Cello Technologies Seattle. Thank you for the info and much appreciated. They are actually by one of my local dealer Definitive Audio Seattle. There’s also another hifi shop on that same block where Definitive Audio is called Hawthorne Stereo but they only sell 2ch stuff. 

Yes the NAD does dts-x . it doesnt do dts-x pro but that doesnt matter as its a 11ch processor so not compatible B|

Been looking at options myself to replace my yammie 5100 and found the muse manual so heres some light reading if interested in these covid times ?

MUSE User Guide 20190227.pdf

 

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Yes the NAD does dts-x . it doesnt do dts-x pro but that doesnt matter as its a 11ch processor so not compatible B|

yes doubt DTS-X pro is a concern for D as not planning heights... but if indeed considering heights and DTS-X pro. that is quite a watch out between the brands ! seeing the table below that krobar pulled tougher 

 

Key - DTS:X Pro / Auro / CH+VOG / VOG Only / CH Only

Denon / Marantz - Most 13 Channel models - Yes / Yes / Yes (7.1.4+) / Yes (7.1.4+) / Yes (7.1.4+)
Trinnov Altitude - Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes
Storm Audio Mk2 - Soon / Yes / Yes / Yes? / Yes?
Arcam / JBL Synth / Audiocontrol - Current Models - Soon? / Yes / Yes / No / No
Anthem - 2020 Models - Yes / No / No? / No? / No?
Monoprice HTP-1 - Soon / Yes / No / No /No

 

its a credit to the marantz here it covers all the bases... not only with DTS-X pro but also auro3D.  some are real watch outs, where even if say DTS-X pro they dont actually support all the speaker configurations it can handle eg the Ch and Ts(VOG) speaker it supports and really valuable i have found.

 

auro3D is also surprisingly not supported by so many brands ! which is also a real pity... it really does so well with not only upmixing 2ch but particularly well for music and concerts etc that suit a more front biased mix than you get with the other processing formats...

 

re the nad i do wonder if there will be a m17V3 where they do add dts-x pro for 7.1.6 (easily done by reallocating the spare subwoofer outs to heights) and theres also add hdmi 2.1 

 

2 hours ago, cwt said:

Been looking at options myself to replace my yammie 5100

id also hang fire if a yam owner ...as to what yam bring.... I will be very surprised if there isnt a quality processor option for them to fully take advantage latest processing of dts-X pro, auro3D, hdmi 2.1  and such ...

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5 hours ago, cwt said:

Yes the NAD does dts-x . it doesnt do dts-x pro but that doesnt matter as its a 11ch processor so not compatible B|

Been looking at options myself to replace my yammie 5100 and found the muse manual so heres some light reading if interested in these covid times ?

MUSE User Guide 20190227.pdf

 


For now, I won’t be able to go 3D surround audio eg Dolby Atmos or DTS-X. 
What happens to your Yammie processor? 

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For now, I won’t be able to go 3D surround audio eg Dolby Atmos or DTS-X. 
What happens to your Yammie processor? 

Trade it in or sell it ; the good thing about it thanks to subs with built in peq you dont have to rely on YPAO ; and your not modifying the signal as much as other options [or thats what I keep telling myself :) ]   

A new yam pre pro could well be coming but I cant see them losing YPAO or licensing Auro 3d unfortunately ; they went backwards with their auto dsp gimmicks last round and auro 3d is more licensing costs . What i like about the muse is it has a clever 7.1 dsp mode that you can switch too to immediately compare the atmos mix with it ; I imagine you cant use some dolby upfiring speakers in the interim ?

 

I think these revised 2.1 boards for marantz etc wont be cheap when a couple of k's was mentioned by the rogue audio bloke about the muses 2.1 board it has [ the single port so far for the avrs explains the prices ? ] 

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Yamaha's heritage with processing goes way back. i suspect they will come through with something pretty tasty. they also dont tend to be just empty boxes inside and with a strong focus on the quality of sound and music. which like marantz has always been pretty important. so suspect soemthing juicy will come. the only other brand in the japanese missing in action are the onkyo/intragra processors but then perhaps far too much water gone under the bridge with those now...

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It’s been some good general chat on Av processors in this thread, gene from audioholics , in last month or so had a good discussion, on YouTube  dealing with the Sony is dead thing, leading to some talk on awesome Av gear Sony once did then really talking current state of play with Av processors...what to get, look for amd watch outs is a good part of it....lot of respect for gene ...

 

 

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It’s been some good general chat on Av processors in this thread, gene from audioholics , in last month or so had a good discussion, on YouTube  dealing with the Sony is dead thing, leading to some talk on awesome Av gear Sony once did then really talking current state of play with Av processors...what to get, look for amd watch outs is a good part of it....lot of respect for gene ...

 

 


I love Sony TVs in general, and Sony OLED 4K TV is the best. 

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I have an update on the AV8805. So, I was able to get a take home demo model from one local dealer here and was also able to get another take home demo of the NAD M17 v2 from a different hifi store here. I currently have 2 processors plus my Classe SSP 800 to compare. 
 

First off, for stereo music my Classe SSP 800 sounded the best compared to the other two. hands down. The Classe is more musical more refined quieter and sounding more resolved. The Classe is the king of the hill in stereo coming from an AV preamp surround processor. 
The comparisons were made with my Cary Audio CD 306 SACD player/DAC served as a digital front end source component and I ran XLR balanced analog interconnects to each preamp processor, but I suspect the NAD M17 digitizes its analog audio inputs. 

 

For surround sound movies (HT) I could easily live with either of them, but the SSP 800 still sounded the best but the NAD M17 v2 with Dirac Live when calibrated properly brings it close to my SSP 800. I’m not a fan of Audyssey at all and wished the Marantz went with either Dirac Live or Room Perfect. But all 3 processors perform fabulous for HT (movies). 
All surround sound comparisons were made in 5.1 since I only have 5.1 HT setup with my Oppo 105 playing bluray disc movies and I ran HDMI cable to each processor. 
 

If I have to rank all three processors in terms of overall sound quality or sonic fidelity in both stereo and multi-channels I would put the Classe SSP 800 on top, followed by the NAD M17 v2 and the AV8805 last, but pretty darn close between the NAD M17 v2 and the Marantz AV8805 which would make the AV8805 the best value of the bunch since the Marantz is the cheapest of the bunch. 
 

Most likely I will be getting the NAD M17 v2 for HT and will get a dedicated high end 2ch pre and 2ch power amp or a high end stereo integrated amp for music. I highly consider the PS Audio BHK 2ch analog pre with its matching PS Audio BHK 250 2ch amp which both are hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. I’m also open to a very good high end stereo analog integrated amp. Will see. 
 

I need to sell my SSP 800 as soon as I can before the issue gets worse. 

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hi D, so glad to read have had the opportunity to check things out and in own home ! which is best way to go. music and 2ch wise id expect the classe to rule :) shame have to move it on... but i guess everything has its day... and that eventually passes ! 

 

the nad is indeed a very good thing, shame doesnt do what i need, but still i have recommended to folk myself for good reason. it won home theatre hifi "best off" in 2018, 

https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/receiver-processor/processors/nad-m17-v2-surround-sound-preamp-processor-review/

 

the marantz pipped it in 2019... its just newer i think, i suspect there will be a nad m17mk3 at some stage, though i suspect its non concern to you as unlikely to use what it brings in more channel support and later hdmi and such ! 

 

Interesting re dirac, from what i understand many brands still struggling with the latest version, good to hear you found it good for your needs. re audyssey when folks say they dont like it i always ask if just went with the plain vanilla what it does or tried at all to select / explore anything their liking. on the av8805 its necessary to download their app. its only what $20 or something ... and money well spent ! there is one thing with a touch of button can do is remove the bbc dip audyssey applies by default with the mid range compensation... take that out and vocals and mid range lifts ! the other is often folk say oh it sounds dull or lacking life or something. this is really due to eq curve it uses by default with rolled off top end... which if comparing with other EQ its is going to sound as it is. again here with app its a quick selection from choice of eq curves without the rolled off top end or even choice to eq to heart content ...though this was easier with the audyssey pro in my opinion. the other thing with audyssey is it is back to using its plastic mic and some other brands will be using better mics for better results in my opinion. but still good we have the choice between brands i guess. anyways a couple of things to explore ....

 

shame to hear feel the nad is digitising its analog inputs. on the marantz i know they actually deal with audio in analog domain for volume. something denon marantz been particular about for handling analog. for 2ch analog inputs, did you remove all the digital stuff - audyssey etc for the marantz as well in comparisons ie back to bare pure and no processing / digital side applied ?

 

7 hours ago, Dilatante said:

If I have to rank all three processors in terms of overall sound quality or sonic fidelity in both stereo and multi-channels I would put the Classe SSP 800 on top, followed by the NAD M17 v2 and the AV8805 last, but pretty darn close between the NAD M17 v2 and the Marantz AV8805 which would make the AV8805 the best value of the bunch since the Marantz is the cheapest of the bunch. 

 

good to hear were still pleased amongst what these all did. indeed we are spoilt for choice a little in whats available out there. ps did you try auro3D for 2ch at all ? it does an excellent job for that i think. really useful for concert and music mixes particularly when pcm sourced and such which often get these days and in back catalog. 

 

7 hours ago, Dilatante said:

Most likely I will be getting the NAD M17 v2 for HT and will get a dedicated high end 2ch pre and 2ch power amp or a high end stereo integrated amp for music. I highly consider the PS Audio BHK 2ch analog pre with its matching PS Audio BHK 250 2ch amp which both are hybrid design with tube input stage and SS output stage. I’m also open to a very good high end stereo analog integrated amp. Will see. 

one option maybe worth checking out is the musical fidelity nu-vista 800 as an integrated

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/uploads/catalogerfiles/nu-vista-800/5_MF_Nu-Vista_800_Flier_v1-2_web.pdf

its a hybrid and might float your boat and is pure class. edit it does have ht bypass as well... . :)

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6 hours ago, Dilatante said:

For surround sound movies (HT) I could easily live with either of them, but the SSP 800 still sounded the best but the NAD M17 v2 with Dirac Live when calibrated properly brings it close to my SSP 800. I’m not a fan of Audyssey at all and wished the Marantz went with either Dirac Live or Room Perfect. 

Curious Teddy ; as Al mentioned audyssey  can with the app just apply itself to the lower frequencies rather than the whole > 20khz so limiting it to the important frequencies like you can with Dirac;ARC may help ?

Is the Acurus muse out of the picture ? Read nothing but good about its 2ch prowess but then it is pricier than the Marantz for one in the states I believe . Of course it hasnt any complicated auto room eq ; just simple manual PEQ like your ssp800 - a good HAA calibration  is something Ime looking at :)

If you want room perfect there is always Marantz  close twin  Mcintosh ?but that is next level up stuff ..

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hi D, so glad to read have had the opportunity to check things out and in own home ! which is best way to go. music and 2ch wise id expect the classe to rule :) shame have to move it on... but i guess everything has its day... and that eventually passes ! 

 

the nad is indeed a very good thing, shame doesnt do what i need, but still i have recommended to folk myself for good reason. it won home theatre hifi "best off" in 2018, 

https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/receiver-processor/processors/nad-m17-v2-surround-sound-preamp-processor-review/

 

the marantz pipped it in 2019... its just newer i think, i suspect there will be a nad m17mk3 at some stage, though i suspect its non concern to you as unlikely to use what it brings in more channel support and later hdmi and such ! 

 

Interesting re dirac, from what i understand many brands still struggling with the latest version, good to hear you found it good for your needs. re audyssey when folks say they dont like it i always ask if just went with the plain vanilla what it does or tried at all to select / explore anything their liking. on the av8805 its necessary to download their app. its only what $20 or something ... and money well spent ! there is one thing with a touch of button can do is remove the bbc dip audyssey applies by default with the mid range compensation... take that out and vocals and mid range lifts ! the other is often folk say oh it sounds dull or lacking life or something. this is really due to eq curve it uses by default with rolled off top end... which if comparing with other EQ its is going to sound as it is. again here with app its a quick selection from choice of eq curves without the rolled off top end or even choice to eq to heart content ...though this was easier with the audyssey pro in my opinion. the other thing with audyssey is it is back to using its plastic mic and some other brands will be using better mics for better results in my opinion. but still good we have the choice between brands i guess. anyways a couple of things to explore ....

 

shame to hear feel the nad is digitising its analog inputs. on the marantz i know they actually deal with audio in analog domain for volume. something denon marantz been particular about for handling analog. for 2ch analog inputs, did you remove all the digital stuff - audyssey etc for the marantz as well in comparisons ie back to bare pure and no processing / digital side applied ?

 

 

good to hear were still pleased amongst what these all did. indeed we are spoilt for choice a little in whats available out there. ps did you try auro3D for 2ch at all ? it does an excellent job for that i think. really useful for concert and music mixes particularly when pcm sourced and such which often get these days and in back catalog. 

 

one option maybe worth checking out is the musical fidelity nu-vista 800 as an integrated

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/uploads/catalogerfiles/nu-vista-800/5_MF_Nu-Vista_800_Flier_v1-2_web.pdf

its a hybrid and might float your boat and is pure class. edit it does have ht bypass as well... . :)


Hi there, sorry for the delay in responding.

 

Yes, I did download the the Audyssey app and removed the bbc dip that Audyssey applies by default and while it improved vocals / midrange but IMO the way NAD M17 v2 is still a bit better overall for surround sound movies and 2ch music when both units were used as a digital stereo pre but without room correction when I ran a coax digital cable from my Cary CD 306 SACD player for CD playbacks, and in that same regard the SSP 800 also sounded better than both NAD & Marantz. 
 

Yes, when comparing the 8805 as a pure analog 2ch pre I did remove and bypass DSP and all the digital processings including the Audyssey etc in the Marantz and the 8805 worked as a pure analog 2ch pre but still couldn’t compare to my SSP 800 in 2ch. They aren’t in the same league. The 8805 sounded decent in stereo for music both when used as an analog 2ch pre or digital 2ch pre using its onboard DAC. But all DACs in all these 3 av processors cannot match those in my Cary CD 306 SACD player when I ran XLR analog out of the Cary. Well....to start with my Cary CD 306 SACD player/DAC did retail for USD $8k when purchased brand new but has been discontinued sometime ago. And it has 4 main transformers power supplies each feeding separate power delivery to each section : digital, DAC, analog output stage circuitry and control circuitry. The Cary is equipped with 8 DAC chips for both channels in dual differential configurations : 4 DAC chips for dedicated DSD (SACD) playbacks and the other 4 for dedicated PCM playbacks. 
 

I get to keep both the Marantz and the NAD for 2 weeks and I still have another 6 days left to return them to 2 different hifi stores. I need to make a decision between the 8805 and the NAD M17 v2. So far I tend to lean toward the NAD but they both are great when used for surround sound processor for movies (HT) with the NAD slightly edges out the Marantz. 
 

As for my dedicated 2ch pre/power amp combo or 2ch integrated amp I also highly consider the Musical Fidelity NuVista 600 or 800 but I think the 800 would be overkill for my speakers ?. Thanks for the tips re Musical FidelityNuVista integrated. I also consider other integrated options such as the Pass integrated or the Levinson. Heard that a new Classe Delta line 2ch integrated amp will be launched sometime next year but will be very expensive most likely more than the MF NuVista 800. Or I might as well go with the PS Audio BHK pre & stereo power amp separates but figure I can save some $$ for a pair of XLR analog interconnects if I go with an integrated amp. 
 

Will keep you guys posted whether I would keep the 8805 or the NAD M17 v2. 
Thanks again.
 

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On 09/03/2021 at 7:59 PM, cwt said:

Curious Teddy ; as Al mentioned audyssey  can with the app just apply itself to the lower frequencies rather than the whole > 20khz so limiting it to the important frequencies like you can with Dirac;ARC may help ?

Is the Acurus muse out of the picture ? Read nothing but good about its 2ch prowess but then it is pricier than the Marantz for one in the states I believe . Of course it hasnt any complicated auto room eq ; just simple manual PEQ like your ssp800 - a good HAA calibration  is something Ime looking at :)

If you want room perfect there is always Marantz  close twin  Mcintosh ?but that is next level up stuff ..


Hi there, sorry for the delay response. 
I’m still waiting for a response back from Cello Technologies Seattle re the Acurus Muse. 
 

Re McIntosh Room Perfect room correction built in their flagship MX160 processor yes heard great things about Room Perfect and specifically MX160 but retails for USD $14k here and has many channels that I won’t be needing. The McIntosh MX1223, which is their lower end av processor, is much more affordable at USD $6500 here but uses Audyssey and isn’t worth considering when plan on spending that kind of money, the 8805 offers much greater value IMO at USD $4500 or less here and highly doubt that the MX123 will perform that much better than the 8805. For around USD $6500 the NAD M17 v2, which also retails for USD $6500 here, is more worthy contender than the MX123 imo. 

Speaking of the MX160, we did compare its 2ch analog performance with the SSP 800 at one dealer who had both at the time and the SSP 800 still sounded better in 2ch. But the MX160 performed better in surrounds for movies hands down. 

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Hi there, sorry for the delay response. 
I’m still waiting for a response back from Cello Technologies Seattle re the Acurus Muse. 

The muse is pretty unique sitting between the well known makes and the uber processors for which you pay for things like assignable output  channels and dirac bass control . Add ons can handle that if needed ..

I hope they make the effort to reply ; I was reading a hometheater review and noticed this ssp reference to the muses big brother the ACT4 which has similar circuitry:) Interesting to see where they manufacture ' hi tolerance components come to mind ..

 

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For what it's worth, just calculating my parametric EQ adjustments on my own with a tablet of graph paper and a few hours of effort resulted in astonishingly good results. But, of course, no amount of equalization can compensate for a surround processor whose performance is lacking to begin with. Thankfully, the ACT 4 stands alongside some of the finest preamps I've auditioned here at home in terms of sound quality. The best description I can come up with is this: take the sound of a Classé SSP, sweeten it ever so slightly, add a touch of airy spaciousness, and crank up the dynamic punch just a skosh.

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The Acurus ACT 4 is made in America! Ignoring the handful of components that have to be imported (like the Texas Instrument DSPs), the preamp is built by Key Electronics in Jeffersonville, IN--a highly respected manufacturing facility that primarily serves the aerospace/defense and medical industries.

 Indy Audio Labs Acurus ACT 4 AV Preamp Reviewed - HomeTheaterReview

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Hi Scott, i know this thread is a few months old but how is your machine now and did you get it pinpointed as to the direct problem. Just curious mate.

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Yea actually. After various attempts at identifying the root cause, I couldn’t. So I shipped it back to Qualifi/Marantz. They were able to replicate the issue after a few days and eventually identified the HDMI board was faulty. So they replaced that with a new one and shipped it back. 

 

Happy to say I have had none of that issue since. Loving the system once more and it sounds beautiful, even without Audyssey calibration - which I will run once I get my surrounds and rears up to the correct height (they are a little low to the ground at the moment)

 

I have experienced one issue a couple times where if I paused the show I’m watching then I pause, the channels get mixed up, for example the centre channel dialog comes from the right surround. Switching sound mode to Dolby surround/atmos immediately fixes the issue. And this has only happened a handful of times in many weeks so am not concerned. 
 

Thanks for following up :)

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The guys at Qualifi are brilliant to deal with and are really great to chat with. I've the exact same setup and thankfully no issues like yours. The 8805 is a brilliant piece of equipment and paired with my 2 x HD7 Elektra it's on a whole other level

 

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1 hour ago, SUPCIN said:

The guys at Qualifi are brilliant to deal with and are really great to chat with. I've the exact same setup and thankfully no issues like yours. The 8805 is a brilliant piece of equipment and paired with my 2 x HD7 Elektra it's on a whole other level

 


As you have the same amp/processor setup as me, may I ask if you use XLR for all the connections to the amps?

 

if so, what level do you output each channel? I basically had to set all channels to at least -6dB otherwise they were all too hot and sounded clipped. 

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As you have the same amp/processor setup as me, may I ask if you use XLR for all the connections to the amps?

 

if so, what level do you output each channel? I basically had to set all channels to at least -6dB otherwise they were all too hot and sounded clipped. 

did you run audyssey  ?

 

i use XLR... keep in mind you will get 6db gain via xls vs RCA. -6db is fine....

 

what levels get is related to efficiency of speakers and output of marantz vs multichannel amp and then location of speakers and any room gain.

 

edit... ps i might merge this into the 8805 thread :) 

 

 

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9 hours ago, betty boop said:

did you run audyssey  ?

 

i use XLR... keep in mind you will get 6db gain via xls vs RCA. -6db is fine....

 

what levels get is related to efficiency of speakers and output of marantz vs multichannel amp and then location of speakers and any room gain.

 

edit... ps i might merge this into the 8805 thread :) 

 

 

I haven’t run Audyssey yet. Back when I had an 8802 I did run it and it did set my channels to pretty low like -6 to -8dB. 
 

I will probably run it soon to see if there’s a genuine improvement. 
 

when I run my channels at 0dB, my audio sounds strained and harsh like the channel gains are sending too much voltage to the Elektras and sounds ever so clipped. 

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1 hour ago, scottrichardson said:

I haven’t run Audyssey yet. Back when I had an 8802 I did run it and it did set my channels to pretty low like -6 to -8dB. 
 

I will probably run it soon to see if there’s a genuine improvement. 
 

when I run my channels at 0dB, my audio sounds strained and harsh like the channel gains are sending too much voltage to the Elektras and sounds ever so clipped. 

hi scott... id certainly encourage to run audyssey... buy the app its only 20usd ~$30 or something  ...-6 or -8db as trims is fine... and yes if boosting 6-8db instead i can understand ... a 3db gain requires double power, 6db 4 times the power and so on...

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