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I’m thinking my next upgrade could be either a PS Audio DirectStream Junior or a Devialet 200. 

 

Both mean I could sell my Chord 2Qute DAC and my Bluesound Node 2 streamer. Devialet means I could also sell my amps.

 

I listen to only Tidal (and a few tracks from a Synology NAS). PS does MQA full unfold.

 

Can anyone provide some advice on this or comparisons? Thanks

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I'm totally biased but for the money (around 5k used) its hard to beat a D200. It does pretty much everything. Just try one at home in your own system, if you like the sound buy it and be done with it!

 

If you really want MQA just use Roon & Tidal into the Dev. 

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1 hour ago, wikeeboy said:

Just try one at home in your own system, if you like the sound buy it and be done with it!

Well that’s a good idea wikee. 

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33 minutes ago, Mike13 said:

Nice !

I have a devialet 120 which, depending on where you are located, I may be able to bring over for you to listen to 

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19 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

Nice !

I have a devialet 120 which, depending on where you are located, I may be able to bring over for you to listen to 

The other advantage of the devialet is that it doesn't break your back whenever you want to move it. I auditioned a Vitus and in my space it would have been a nightmare to move.

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2 hours ago, wikeeboy said:

I'm totally biased but for the money (around 5k used) its hard to beat a D200. It does pretty much everything. Just try one at home in your own system, if you like the sound buy it and be done with it!

 

If you really want MQA just use Roon & Tidal into the Dev. 

At that price range they sell really quickly although they are great value given that you have an integrated amp and dac.

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39 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said:

Nice !

I have a devialet 120 which, depending on where you are located, I may be able to bring over for you to listen to 

Thanks for the offer, I’m in West Melb :) I work with the guy who borrowed your amp... was going to listen to his speakers last weekend but he cancelled on me!

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21 minutes ago, PKay said:

The other advantage of the devialet is that it doesn't break your back whenever you want to move it. I auditioned a Vitus and in my space it would have been a nightmare to move.

True. Easy to move around compared to a pre, monos, DAC, source and a lot of cords. 

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Has any one also heard the PS Audio DirectStream Junior, or even senior?

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2 minutes ago, Mike13 said:

Thanks for the offer, I’m in West Melb :) I work with the guy who borrowed your amp... was going to listen to his speakers last weekend but he cancelled on me!

Perhaps sanity prevailed and he decided to keep his amps. If it was the Wilson amps they were very cheap.

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4 minutes ago, Mike13 said:

Thanks for the offer, I’m in West Melb :) I work with the guy who borrowed your amp... was going to listen to his speakers last weekend but he cancelled on me!

Aah I know the connection now!

 

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@scumbag had a Devialet and he uses a PS Audio Jr now.

From what I have heard the Jr is close to "Sr".

Devialet is a swiss knife, PS Audio is a dac, streamer (and pre?)

 

Ask the maker of the speakers what he thinks

But listen first before you buy.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Jventer said:

 

Ask the maker of the speakers what he thinks

But listen first before you buy.

 

 

Thanks good advice as always 

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21 hours ago, Jventer said:

 

@scumbag had a Devialet and he uses a PS Audio Jr now.

 

@scumbag I’d be interested in your view

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6 hours ago, everydayIs25 said:

I like Devialet more.

Can you explain why it’s better? You’ve owned both?

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Posted (edited)

Two very different beasts. Putting aside the fact that the Dev' is a combined DAC / Pre and amplifier and the DSJ is only a DAC / Preamp* - they both present things very differently.

The sound of the DSJ is probably more aimed at a mature audience. I think the guys that listen and make decisions on the PS Audio gear are going for a more refined and relaxed sound, in general. That's my opinion of course. The Dev' is very detailed, dynamic and has lots of grunt - that can be either the best or worst thing about them! Here's a parallel that might help. I think the Dev' sound (the expert not the pro which I have not heard) is a bit like the XMOS U208 chip sound - very vibrant but it does sound like there is a "V" in the response - almost like a permanent loudness control. The later versions of the firmware even sounded like some sort of compression was being applied - I ended up running one of the older versions to get around that. The PS Audio was pitted against Clay Gieseler's GroB DAC. I couldn't pick the 2 apart. So if you've heard the GroB then, in my experience, you've heard something like the DSJ on the current firmware (Red Cloud). I can listen to the DSJ for hours. I know that people have commented that they find the DSJ a tiny bit "white" or blanched but if you set it up right you can get some great sounds out if. Power cables and filtering make a big difference.

 

*The DSJ will work as a preamp. The DSJ and DS attenuate in the digital domain.  They up-sample music to a high bitrate to reduce decimation of the signal as volume is lowered. But of course, at some point they will start to degrade the signal at lower volume levels. Also related to their duties as a preamp - I personally, hand on heart wouldn't recommend a DSJ as a preamp based on my experience with my Pass Labs XA30.8 power amp'. In addition to the issue I mentioned above, there is the issue of random low level noise and the issue of simply not having a sufficiently grunty output stage to really make a power amp' sing.

The Pass driven directly by the DSJ sounded thin and not terribly musical. Just my opinion and experience. So a good / decent preamp would be recommended. I am having fun with a PS Audio BHK preamp at the moment but I got great results with a W4S STP-SE preamp too - not as "big" or clear a sound as the BHK but lots of grunt.

 

Anyway, the DSJ is a keeper. The Dev' wasn't ;)

 

Edited by scumbag

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Thanks @scumbag, I did try the Grob, can’t say I could tell an immediate difference. I probably needed more time with it.

 

I think I do like the V shape sound, not sure. I don’t use an EQ when listening to headphones.

 

Interesting that the Dev can sound compressed. I thought that upsampling did the opposite and enabled more clarity. 

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Compressed? Hmm, never experienced that issue...

 

Anyway, ultimately doesn't matter what any of us think. Just get one and try it at home, only way you'll know. 

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Thanks [mention=151841]scumbag[/mention], I did try the Grob, can’t say I could tell an immediate difference. I probably needed more time with it.
 
I think I do like the V shape sound, not sure. I don’t use an EQ when listening to headphones.
 
Interesting that the Dev can sound compressed. I thought that upsampling did the opposite and enabled more clarity. 


It’s my first time hear somebody said sound like Compressed... interesting.

It’s hard to say Dev better or PS Audio, as a system need to match each other and the room. Dev can sound bad with some speakers, PS can sound bad with some speakers.

My experience Devialet sound extremely well in a proper set up. The GT1 is one great example. It’s hard to find something to beat it at its price point. If you go multiboxes, you need to make sure they are all match.

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When it comes to digital the Devialet is well worth an audition especially if you can pick one up cheaply. It is a Dac and a very useful integrated amp. Once you get into mid level digital they are mostly very good. 

 

I think Trevor kindly offered to let you listen to his 120. You should take him up on the offer and let us know what you think. 

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Having met someone in Saigon who has several million dollars worth of equipment, with Devialet, PS Audio, McIntosh, Krell Amps and Preamps, Magico and Genesis Speakers, Audio Note and Expressimo TTs, a rack of CD players and DACs and it really gets down to you listening to as much as possible with the music you like also your age will have a bearing due to the deterioration your hearing has as you age.

The system I preferred in amongst his multitude of gear was one of his cheaper setups, which included a Devialet ? 200 Amp, Marantz KI CD and Harbeth HL5 speakers. 

So from my personal experience, yes Devialet was the best amp in that environment to me with that source and speakers, so you have to get out and listen yourself as every system, setting and individual is different.

 

Just my $0.02

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Posted (edited)

When trying out a number of amps last year the salesman kept pushing me to try a demo first model Dev 200. So after listening to several other amps I decided to give it a try. I actually found it very uninspiring and almost withdrawn and weak sounding, so much so that I wondered what all the fuss was about.

 

I can't comment on the PS Audio but I can say I won't be rushing out to buy a Dev anytime soon. No offence is meant to Dev owners.

 

cheers Terry

 

 

Edited by TerryO

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