Max Headroom Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 (edited) Looking to upgrade my DAC, and am very interested in trying out the GIESELER Groß DAC with intention to buy one if it is as good as everyone says. Anyone in Melbourne who would like to come over with their GIESELER Groß and have a listen in my system? I have a Chord 2Qute DAC running through an Audiophilleo, off a modded Mac with a liner PS, and streaming via microRendu, Dynaudio speakers, OAD amps, Inakustik cabling, running off a PS Audio P3 power regenerator. Amps are new on the scene and ready to take down all comers... I know, I've compared them to some very well known and serious gear. Hasn't been beaten yet... (as a side note, anyone have some seriously exotic amps and a half decxent system I can compare to?) I'm in Williamstown - 15 mins out of the city down Footscray Road Wine / Freshly ground coffee / Beer / your choice of food will be provided Max Edited May 3, 2018 by Max Headroom Update details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremrock Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Mate I think clay has a trial program in place one one of these if your still looking, could be worth a call to him directly if your serious to pony up for a new one. They must be good though for people to be ditching their Directstreams at near $10k for it.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat-with-one-t Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I had contacted Clay about this but missed the boat. If there's anyone in inner Melb that can allow a wee borrow this upcoming Sat, please sing out. I hope to try to get together with Max and others for a sesh! Mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider27 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Doesn't Clay offer 7 day No Questions ask - money back guarantee so buyer can try it at home and return if not satisfied? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat-with-one-t Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, Spider27 said: Doesn't Clay offer 7 day No Questions ask - money back guarantee so buyer can try it at home and return if not satisfied? Yep. We were just hoping to have a listening sesh thus w/e...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 I was able to have s listen to a GroB dac here in Melbourne. It’s absolutely superb. Better than my Chord 2Qute and ate the PS Audio DirectStream junior for breakfast. I seriously don’t know what all the fuss is about the DirectStream Junior. It’s actually pretty bad, the Chord 2Qute is so much better in every way. The DS jr is the most overpriced and over hyped piece of equipment I’ve ever come across, and I like and own other PS Audio gear. The GroB is just head and shoulders above the DS jr, and is better than the Chord but it’s closer run thing. I was about to buy a GroB, but the taxman got in the way so my spending is seriously curtailed at the moment. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhobba Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Hi I owned a Chord with a Geisner upgraded power supply - and it was good - in fact the first DAC to best (but not by much) the PDX Clay made. He then created the original Konverter which was valve based and won a GTG, so was again top of the hill, although I have my issues with the selection of music for that GTG and other issues such as placing some DAC's on top of others that were on isolation platforms, and an earthing issue discovered later. Anyway their was no doubt it was good, but the writing was on the wall, DAC's were getting better by leaps and bounds and Clay started immediately on designing even better DAC's, First was the Kelin which was a cheaper DAC at about $750, but was up there with the older PDX. Then a new version of the Konverter with its own pre amp - it was more expensive than first envisaged due to the cost of the expensive Jensen transformers. But he then went to work on the Grob using lessons learnt with the Klein and Konverter and came up with the Grob which used an even more expensive Jensen transformer. Conceptually it's very simple - Aminaro board into the DAC chip, into the output transformer. I have compared it to both the Direct Stream and Jr, and it is obviously better. I don't think the DS is as over hyped as you do though. Thanks Bill Edited June 16, 2018 by bhobba 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 On 16/06/2018 at 10:05 PM, bhobba said: Hi I owned a Chord with a Geisner upgraded power supply - and it was good - in fact the first DAC to best (but not by much) the PDX Clay made. He then created the original Konverter which was valve based and won a GTG, so was again top of the hill, although I have my issues with the selection of music for that GTG and other issues such as placing some DAC's on top of others that were on isolation platforms, and an earthing issue discovered later. Anyway their was no doubt it was good, but the writing was on the wall, DAC's were getting better by leaps and bounds and Clay started immediately on designing even better DAC's, First was the Kelin which was a cheaper DAC at about $750, but was up there with the older PDX. Then a new version of the Konverter with its own pre amp - it was more expensive than first envisaged due to the cost of the expensive Jensen transformers. But he then went to work on the Grob using lessons learnt with the Klein and Konverter and came up with the Grob which used an even more expensive Jensen transformer. Conceptually it's very simple - Aminaro board into the DAC chip, into the output transformer. I have compared it to both the Direct Stream and Jr, and it is obviously better. I don't think the DS is as over hyped as you do though. Thanks Bill Hi Bill I only say DirectStream Jr is over hyped since the GroB and the Chord 2Qute (admittedly mine has an upgraded linear power supply) is better at what is it, one third the price? The Chord is widely available, yet reviewers seem to fall over themselves to say how good the DS Jr YMMV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiohifiaudio Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I think stick to the Chord 2Qute DAC as it's a ripper dac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike13 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 05/07/2018 at 9:01 PM, audiohifiaudio said: I think stick to the Chord 2Qute DAC as it's a ripper dac. Compared to which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryO Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 While I never actually got to back to back the 2Qute and the Grob DACS in my system, as I had them at different times, for what it is worth in my opinion the Grob easily cleans up the 2Qute without much fuss. cheers Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat-with-one-t Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 At risk of a blatant hijack, has anyone of you many great people in inner Melb got one I can borrow for some comparo’s? I’m intending to get one t some stage, but in the meantime I’m trying to convince a mate, who has an annoying tendency to be “brand loyal” to some big brands I don’t think are that great, to listen to some great Aussie made stuff! Mat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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