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Didn't think I would have so much trouble sourcing a component. I'm after bitumastic pads to line the inside of a loudspeaker, preferably around 7mm thickness, and preferably in Australia. Have found similar on Wilmslow Audio and Parts Express, but freight is a killer. I thought I'd easily get them at Bunnings, Repco etc but that hasn't worked out. Need them for a small bedroom speaker I'm having fun designing.IMG_20171127_173945.jpg

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Didn't think I would have so much trouble sourcing a component. I'm after bitumastic pads to line the inside of a loudspeaker, preferably around 7mm thickness, and preferably in Australia. Have found similar on Wilmslow Audio and Parts Express, but freight is a killer. I thought I'd easily get them at Bunnings, Repco etc but that hasn't worked out. Need them for a small bedroom speaker I'm having fun designing.IMG_20171127_173945.jpg.8f864939a58f8e4763960b4c86600a8e.jpg

Do you have a link for the product your looking at from OS? May make it a little easier for people to identify.
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http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/dedshete-panel-heavy-duty-286-p.asp

This is Wilmslows version. Seems to have been used a lot in UK speakers
Looks like the same product as@Cheekyboy suggested only much cheaper. Monacor is the brand.
https://www.monacor.com/products/components/speaker-technology/crossover-networks-and-components/mdm-830/
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I was looking too and wondered about Bitumen Paint/Membrane as I have 100 litre boxes and the sheets get expensive. It should seal up the box completely too. Anyone tried it?

https://www.bunnings.com.au/gripset-betta-4l-bitumen-rubber-waterproofing-membrane_p0960166

Comes in 15 litre buckets. Thought I might trial mixing sand with it and see how it goes... crazy idea?

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I was looking too and wondered about Bitumen Paint/Membrane as I have 100 litre boxes and the sheets get expensive. It should seal up the box completely too. Anyone tried it?

https://www.bunnings.com.au/gripset-betta-4l-bitumen-rubber-waterproofing-membrane_p0960166

Comes in 15 litre buckets. Thought I might trial mixing sand with it and see how it goes... crazy idea?
Curious on this one as well, have seen it and thought application might be easier since you can just build up layers to what you want. Shouldn't sag over time, which had me wondering about the adhesive sheets.
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Had a look at Bunnings. It has a 10 year guarantee, I know not in this application but they must be confident it lasts. Says water down as paint or neat as membrane. Looks like approx 0.6 mm per coat so would probably need 5-6 coats. I am planning to water it down for the first coat to get absorption and then just start layering on with 2-4 hours between. Will see how it goes...

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Perhaps this? 

http://www.megasorber.com/soundproofing-products/vibration-damping/constrained-layer-damping-sheet

 

  • High Damping efficiency: Damping Co-efficient (Cd ) over 0.10
  • The latest built-in adhesive technology—excellent adhesion to most substrates including polypropylene
  • Complies with IMO Resolution A653(16) for marine applications
  • High temperature resistance—it can stand up to 180°C (short term exposure only)
  • Low flammability: AS1530.3: 0,0,0,0
  • Aluminium foil for thermal insulation or heat reflection
  • Non-toxic

Vibration Damping Effect of Megasorber D14 
Geiger Plate Test Results 
(AS1937.10-1977: Determination of damping coefficient by the thick plate method)

soundproofing performance graph

 

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Dynamat worked well in my last speaker boxes. Thick, heavy, and the aluminium layer adds to the CLD properties. After that, felt adhered well to the aluminium with Fuller Ultra Clear.

 

I stuck the Dynamat directly to Baltic Birch ply, but apparently it would stick better if the ply gets a coat or 2 of any paint first.

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On 17/03/2018 at 11:12 AM, Hal Saunders said:

 

Didn't think I would have so much trouble sourcing a component. I'm after bitumastic pads to line the inside of a loudspeaker, preferably around 7mm thickness, and preferably in Australia. Have found similar on Wilmslow Audio and Parts Express, but freight is a killer. I thought I'd easily get them at Bunnings, Repco etc but that hasn't worked out. Need them for a small bedroom speaker I'm having fun designing.IMG_20171127_173945.jpg

 

If you were in Perth I could have given you some of this to try. Would be perfect I think. I got a roll from work for using in speakers, I just haven’t got around to actually building anything yet.

http://www.insulationindustries.com.au/SiteFiles/insulationindustries2010comau/1062_wavebar_brochure_english_a4.pdf

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felt adhered well to the aluminium with Fuller Ultra Clear.

Where did you get the felt from? I asked a couple of Carpet stores and the said to get from Bunnings. Had a look and they only have 4mm with a plastic covering on one side. Looking for something thicker
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On 3/20/2018 at 2:23 PM, mikes875 said:


Where did you get the felt from?

I just did the rounds of carpet places too. Some looked sideways and sort of said "we only sell foam underlay", but others had felt (made from recycled rags, I think).

 

I was looking for the wool (and/or cotton?) type, like Jantzen sell, and have found this in the past, but the last lot had a thin fake backing, which actually made it easier to handle and glue in - and the felt part is just as good.

 

 

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probably more likely wool than cotton, etfc
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  • 3 weeks later...

Just happened to discover this - Hi Fi Collective in the UK has Jantzen damping products now.

 

https://www.hificollective.co.uk/loudspeaker-accessories/acoustic-dampening.html

 

Oh, but they won't send the bitumen by air mail.

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wet blanket cover note
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I would try car motor trimmer suppliers for the underfelt.  Also the car stereo shops for sound deadening material like Dynamat or equivalent (I haven't ordered anything from the stores linked below so I cannot vouch for their service or reliability)

http://www.carbuilders.com.au/sound-deadener

https://www.ryda.com.au/car-audio/accessories/siund-deadener

 

 

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