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On 13/10/2018 at 8:25 PM, davewantsmoore said:

Found, cheers 👍

 

I dont know how you good them based on the pic - great detective work!

 

 

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Haven't posted in yonks.. But I remember me and you talking superaa on DTV. Great news on the speakers mate.... My Red Spade Audio speakers are still going great.... Love them to bits!. Your new speakers look almost like the Triad Platinums! :).

Can't wait to hear the review mate!... Hope your well!!

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Good to hear from you Bud.

 

Life has changed a bit since DTV days - am now a family man with a 3 month old baby girl. 

 

But no matter how busy life gets, I still make time to indulge in this hobby 😁

 

Didn't realise that they do resemble the Triad Platinums.  Both are a WMTMW design. 

 

But the triads use soft dome tweeters, where as these are compression drivers. 

 

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4 hours ago, superaaaa said:

Good to hear from you Bud.

 

Life has changed a bit since DTV days - am now a family man with a 3 month old baby girl. 

 

But no matter how busy life gets, I still make time to indulge in this hobby 😁

 

Didn't realise that they do resemble the Triad Platinums.  Both are a WMTMW design. 

 

But the triads use soft dome tweeters, where as these are compression drivers. 

 

Oh man, Congratulations on the baby girl.

I have 3 kids now....and all boys *God help me* lol since the Seatons entered my life  back in 2010 lol hahaha.

You should post up some shots of your theater mate, from what I can see it looks real nice! :)

Did you get the power cord sorted out?...How does it all sound mate? :)


I was pretty stagnant on the upgrade side of things up until last year where I ordered the 2 x 6kw Speakerpower amps and slave plates for my 4 x Submersives from Mark  lol. It made a huge difference compared to my old 1000w amps. 

New and final upgrade for me atm is incoming..........Full acoustic treatment.....I have some Quest AI Q-Fractors, RPG BADs and Vicoustic DC2 panels coming :).

After this............next will be 4k PJ and Atmos....but that will be quite a few years off as that will be a big upgrade price wise for me lol.
If I keep going, Mrs will chop my nuts off lol.

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On 13/10/2018 at 1:15 PM, superaaaa said:

250/500/500W class d.

 

The crossover for Pauls speaker is 3 way active.

 

The seatons are 2 way active (woofer to mid/tweeter). The mid/tweeter crossover is passive.

BTW - Pretty sure the Catalyst are 3 way active bud.

http://seatonsound.net/product/catalyst-12c-powered-loudspeaker/

 

Catalyst 12C Features:

Electronics:

  • Internally tri-amplified, fully active loudspeaker
    • Assembled in USA
    • 3 high efficiency ICEpower amplifiers
    • DSP implementation of 3 way active crossover
    • 2,000W available across 4 drive units
    • Transformer coupled, balanced input connection

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19 hours ago, buddhamus said:

You should post up some shots of your theater mate, from what I can see it looks real nice! :)

Did you get the power cord sorted out?...How does it all sound mate? :)

I was pretty stagnant on the upgrade side of things up until last year where I ordered the 2 x 6kw Speakerpower amps and slave plates for my 4 x Submersives from Mark  lol. It made a huge difference compared to my old 1000w amps. 

New and final upgrade for me atm is incoming..........Full acoustic treatment.....I have some Quest AI Q-Fractors, RPG BADs and Vicoustic DC2 panels coming :).

 

I have a thread here:

 

Paul will send me some power cables. In the mean time, I used the ones from the CATs for an initial test.

 

You've gone with a mixture of different manufactures for your acoustic treatment. All good choices. Did you get a specific acoustic plan design ?

 

My bad on the 3 way active crossover mistake - memory going in my old age 😔 Paul and I were discussing speaker design concept early in the design phase, and I was looking into a particular speaker I thought was a 3 way active, but turned out to be 2 way active with passive.  

 

 

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On 19/10/2018 at 7:58 PM, superaaaa said:

I have a thread here:

 

Paul will send me some power cables. In the mean time, I used the ones from the CATs for an initial test.

 

You've gone with a mixture of different manufactures for your acoustic treatment. All good choices. Did you get a specific acoustic plan design ?

 

My bad on the 3 way active crossover mistake - memory going in my old age 😔 Paul and I were discussing speaker design concept early in the design phase, and I was looking into a particular speaker I thought was a 3 way active, but turned out to be 2 way active with passive.  

 

 

Awesome, Theater looks great mate!! :)

Yeah, i got Nyal Mellor from Acoustic Frontiers to do the design of my room, they are based in the US. I was very happy with them and all the plans they gave me. His support was also awesome :).

I got the Baffle Wall, Bass Trap Riser, Seating placement, LFE optimization and Acoustic treatment from him. We will see how the room sounds with all the treatment in, in a couple of weeks :)

 

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I tried to engage Nyal to do a acoustic design for my theater, but he informed me he is now concentrating on US only 😔

 

Oh well. 

 

It would be great to get some feedback once you've installed the treatment on the difference it made. 

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So listening impressions. 

 

I only had a brief chance to try these out, before I had to fly out for work (won't be back for a couple of weeks now).

 

I listened with them in random position (as shown in the photos), with no setup by the receiver for timing delays or eq. I just wanted to get a feel for the sound.

 

And the outcome - I did not like the sound at all 😭

 

I was very underwhelmed. They were boring - quite laid back. There was no crispness in the sound (details were missing), and not dynamic at all. Miles behind what the Seatons provide. 

 

I ping'd Paul with my concerns. His feedback was as follows:

 

"Let me know when you're ready to calibrate them in your room. It doesn't matter how many times I go through this process, it can still surprise me how much the sound can change.

 
This reminds me of something in videography. The pros shoot using a log profile. Before editing, you can capture better looking footage out of your mobile phone. It looks washed out, no contrast. It's done that way to capture more shadow detail. When colour graded, the log footage has all this extra shadow detail where the iphone video makes them all simply black. The contrast is easily brought back into the image and the final result is cleary superior. But if you were judging on the basis of what comes out of the camera, you'd think an iphone beat a pro cinema camera!
 
What I've created for you is a speaker designed to be calibrated. Therefore there is no voicing to make it sound a particular way right ouf of the box. It has been designed to deliver extreme dynamic range with a neutral sonic signature and freedom from fatigue. This provides the best "blank canvas" for us to then shape the tonal balance. Once we lift the top end and shape the response, you will notice the return of detail and dynamics and the sound will come to life. Before that is done, it will really test your faith that the sound can change that much with EQ."
 
 
 
 

 

 

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Based on my experience with playing around with speakers, I 100% concur with Paul on this. Setup makes a big difference, especially if you are after a particular sound character (as I am).

 

My brief to Paul was give me a speaker that I can customise to my taste, and that is what he has delivered. 

 

Only problem is it will be a while before I can truly provide provide accurate feedback on the speakers. 

 

I need to sell the Seatons before I can move these speakers into position, so I can demo to potential buyers. Maybe I'll give it a month, and move them out of the way if they are not gone.

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18 hours ago, superaaaa said:

I did not like the sound at all 😭

Oh no! that's terrible news....

 

Who's going to do the calibration. Is Paul coming to you, or will you do it remote somehow?

 

I'd be interested to see whatever measurements Paul is planning on doing for the new ones for the Seatons. That way you can compare like for like when they're in position.

 

.....I'd have said its a room issue, but obviously not given your comments (position aside, which is no small thing....but....).

 

They're so well behaved in terms of raw measurements, you must be after something quite specific for your tastes. Hopefully Paul can dial them in for you.

 

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Yeah I was after a very particular sound character, main reason I went with a custom speaker. 

 

Paul will remote in to do the calibration. I think we're going to try using team view. 

 

It will give me an opportunity to learn as well, which I'm looking forward to.  

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Yeah I was after a very particular sound character, main reason I went with a custom speaker. 
 
Paul will remote in to do the calibration. I think we're going to try using team view. 
 
It will give me an opportunity to learn as well, which I'm looking forward to.  
I have full confidence after the calibration with Paul those things will sing and you will be very happy mate. After owning his surrounds I was impressed how good they sounded compared to my old monitor audio golds I was using for surrounds lol.

Nyal must be getting quite busy with his business in the US... more people seem to be using him more now then ever before. It's a shame he isnt taking on any international clients at the moment.

There are a few builds on AVS you should check out that he has done.... One is called The Beast Unleashed... Pretty cool stuff.... I have been following Matt who had Nyal do the theater design for him. I've been following Matt on YouTube since 2009 lol... Too see what he had then to now is quite a journey :)

When is the calibration gonna happen man?... Atleast do an audyssey calibration and see how she goes

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Yes, I've been waiting....

Would still like to replace my Cat12's with DIY mains, Pauls design to go with my DIY folded horns and my 4  8" coax atmos and 4 surrounds designed by Paul. Still building the new surrounds.

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Sorry for the delay guys, been busy adjusting to life with baby.

 

We did a preliminary calibration with Paul. Some improvement, but still not where I wanted. 

 

After calibration, I then re-ran Audessey and found the sound had improved (in terms of dynamics). Quite ironic, as I normally hate what Audessey does to the sound. 


I compared the FR using REW, and noticed that Audessey with the new speakers produced a curve similar to the CATs. Encouraging results.

 

I flagged this with Paul, and he said he'll produce some filters to more closely match the CATs response. 

 

I still want to experiment more with custom curves, to try and get closer to the sound character I like. Only hurdle is that while Audessey provides ability to customise curves, it's a bit finicky. I may look at getting Dirac to help with my experimentation. 

 

 

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