petetherock Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I am looking forward to the new AVC X8500H.... Some info on the new flagship 8500:https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avcesar.com%2Factu%2Fid-23363%2Fdenon-avc-x8500h-132-hdmi-21-upscaling-ultra-hd-4k-compatible-8k-et-10k.html&edit-text= No HDMI 2.1 when it is launched, so it remains to be seen if we will be fleeced again for the update... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 oh wow thats some amazing news from denon Pete. bang on 10 years looks like they will indeed deliver on follow up on their flagship A series launched 10 years ago ! I am now looking forward to news on the A series pre amp in the mighty AVPs replacement surely it must not be far away. what is really interesting too is multi eq pro yeah great news thats being kept !!! what they do say is hdmi 2.1 as an update. my bet like the marantz series ... it will just be provided great its there as an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 I was really keen on the SR 8012, but the fact that it only has HDMI 2.0b and won't be upgradable was a big minus. The 8500 uses the same 4490 DAC as the 7200 whereas the 8012 uses the same 4458 from the earlier 7011 & 7010.. So the 8500 is akin to a 7200 on steroids plus two more channels, whilst the 8012 is a 7010 on steroids with two extra channels and a toroidal transformer. Note that the 8012 has the same capacitance as the 7200, which drives nine channels only. So I do not know how much of a powerhouse that 8012 will be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 No radio though... the units are starting to arrive in Asia-Pac ... should I pick one up ... hmm.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spizz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Pete out of curiosity what are the price for these in Singapore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 SRP is S$6k... you might be able to knock a few hundred off... but I don't have the indicative price yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Start watching around 10:00 for the AVC 8500 information. 27kg! Thick panels ! Copper plates around the power section. Griffin Lite 32 bit DSP chips! 32 bit up-conversion: http://www.analog.com/en/products/landing-pages/001/adsp-sc58x-adsp-2158x-series.html Around the 25:00 it can consume 2800W to power all 13 channels ... Edited February 13, 2018 by petetherock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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petetherock Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 I found a site in Japanese which confirms that the 8500 has the same capacitance as the 7200, but has to drive more channels: https://translate.google.com.sg/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fweekly.ascii.jp%2Felem%2F000%2F000%2F409%2F409760%2Findex-2.html&edit-text= Quote The interior is a symmetrical design centered on a large EI transformer. This is a tradition after "POA - 3000" developed at the end of the 1970 's. The EI transformer has a core size of 111 mm, a stacking pressure of 90 mm, and a weight of 8.2 kg. The power supply part is also powerful, and it is possible to output 1557 W / 8 Ω by actual measurement when 13 ch simultaneous output is said. The block condenser is custom like the AVR - 7200 W, and it has a large capacity of 22000 uF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 https://www.phileweb.com/news/d-av/201801/17/43086_2.html This website has plenty of info and pics.. Quote The block condenser of the power supply section is equipped with two dedicated tuned 22,000 μF custom capacitors. It is said that it was able to realize sound with high power and stable power supply by the power unit composed of these, combined with low center of gravity and vividness. Customized 22,000 μF capacitor dedicated to tuning A total of 8 32-bit 2-channel DAC 'AK4490' mounted D / A conversion is carried out by mounting a total of 8 32-bit 2 ch DAC chips of AKM Asahi Kasei Electronics (AKM) 'Ak 4490' Constitution. This D / A conversion circuit is mounted on a dedicated board, and independent from the video circuit and network circuit, eliminates mutual interference. An independent D / A conversion circuit board Moreover, by using dedicated board, the layout of D / A conversion circuit, signal line, power supply line is also optimized. Together with the selection of sound quality countermeasure parts and the redesign of the post lifter, it is said that DAC chip performance will be maximized. Refreshed design. Adopted 3 piece cover since AVC-A1HD Redesigned the design as a new flagship. Keeping in mind the traditional tone, we pushed out the front part more and made it a solid design. Adopted 3-piece cover consisting of top panel, left and right side panels For the cabinet, we adopted a three-piece top cover that uses aluminum side covers since AVC-A1HD. The ventilation (ventilation hole) applied to the cover is also optimized considering the resonance. For the chassis, a 1.2 mm thick steel plate was used for the bottom chassis, a 1.2 mm thick bottom plate and a 1.2 mm thick transformer plate were added to make a total 3.6 mm thick triple layered chassis. This ensures high chassis rigidity and vibration resistance. Triple layered chassis with total thickness of 3.6 mm is adopted Besides that, as an AV amplifier, it is also sticking to the rigidity and design of the cabinet, such as "8mm thick aluminum trap door", "Mr. Miyahara is thicker than anywhere", inside the spin finish panel, original screws. The speaker terminal also changed to the latest terminal adopted from AVR-X6400H. In the past, the grounding part, which was made up of two metal parts, was made up of one metal part. In addition to increasing the stability and durability of the connection, it also contributes to improving sound quality as a result. It was also appealing that this machine was consistently produced at its own factory in Shirakawa City, Fukushima Prefecture, under strict quality control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Marantz SR 8012 Denon AVC X8500H Remarks DSP chipset ADSP 21487 (4) ADSP 21537 (2) aka Griffin Lite Power 11 channels 13 channels Capacitance ? 44 000uf 44 000uF Processing capability 11 13 Pre-outs 11 15 Transformer Toroidal Square Chassis Copper Triple layer Denon – hand built in small batches Weight 17.4 kg 23.6kg Sound enhancements HDAM modules DDSC AL32 processing HDMI 2.0b 2.1 (via an upgrade) DAC AKM 4458VN AKM 4490EQ (one per channel) Power consumption 780W 900W Audyssey APP support Paid extra Paid extra RC 5 trigger Activates other Marantz products nil Remote Backlight button Motion sensor backlight Edited February 15, 2018 by petetherock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 pete...all this tells me just one thing many people have said the A line is dead.... well I think the above shows the A line is back are we back to the days of the denon A lines leading the D&M lines ? well in receiver stakes it seems to be I cant wait to see if there will be a return of the mighty A line pre pro ! ... TRUE FLAGSHIP ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 It's a bit hard.. because of the price and how fast things move.. The older models had a lot of cooling fins - hence the weight.. these days, the fans take heat off, literally.. and here, a few kilos might come from those reinforced plate, and the capacitance is a lot lower than before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 My initial impressions of the 8500: http://peteswrite.blogspot.sg/2018/02/denon-avc-x8500h-review.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 German review: http://www.areadvd.de/tests/xxl-test-denon-13-2-av-netzwerk-verstaerker-avr-x8500h-superstar-mit-vollausstattung/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooferocau Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 This is when Denon made true High End AV Reciever,s ...AVCA1 XVA .....I still have one of the old beast,s...48KG and HUGE power supply,s.. Makes the current gen stuff look very "Anaemic" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superaaaa Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just purchased a Denon 8500. Will post my impression once I get it and have it setup 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 (edited) The Americans just received a FW update, And it might be the Auro update everyone is waiting for.. Edited May 24, 2018 by petetherock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squidjammer Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Many years ago this forum pointed me in the direction of KEC in Singapore in order to get a great price on a Denon 4810 shipped to Australia. Just wondering if there are any outlets in Singapore that will ship these receivers to Australia? any good recommendations? Kind Regards Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 I can't recall any company that deals online or takes email orders anymore. You probably need to turn up in Singapore.. They will certainly ship overseas from the post offices or Fedex offices after you pay in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Beware when making updates - you may lose cross-mixing in future: https://www.audioholics.com/audio-technologies/dolby-non-native-upmixing-atmos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superaaaa Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Some feedback on my purchase of this receiver. When I initially set it up, I hated what Audessey had done to the sound in my room. Bass was uneven and messy, male voices sounded unnatural, highs were unpleasant. I was very much in buyer’s remorse and missing my Yamaha. This was the first time I had used Audessey (or had a Denon), so I was not familiar with all the features and parameters. I did some reading, purchased the Audessey app, and brought out my Umik and REQ. After a couple hrs of calibration and adjustment and implementing a house curve through the app, the sound is A LOT better. The bass is fantastic. I was surprised how well it evened the bass response (as confirmed by independent measurements I made with the Umik/REW). So much so that be Behringer FBD I previously used to manually adjust the bass is redundant. I did note that the dynamics and some of the highs were a bit oppressed. But I think with some more reading/experimentation with the Audessey App features and the house curve, I can address this. Some other observations of note: The setup process is really good. Very intuitive with the menu structure. When manually changing the gain/SPL settings for each speaker, I like how the order of the speakers allows you to compare levels with different sets of speakers (i.e. rear to top and side to top). This allowed me to pick up an issue with my rear surround and rear height speaker placement – they are too close together, giving the impression sound is coming from the same location The remote buttons automatically lights up with the remote is moved. This is really handy when the rooms lights are off The on screen display shows what audio signal is being provided into the receiver and the associated channels that would be natively driven, as well as what processing the receiver is doing and what channels are actually being driven. WTF is up with the mic and mic stand (cardboard cut-out…really???). For a flag ship receiver with a RRP of $6K, what a let down After a disappointing start, I am overall quite happy with my purchase. I have still yet to connect my front wide channels to complete the 9.2.4 setup. Look forward to doing this when I get back home in a couple of weeks, and finishing fine tuning/calibrating the audio. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Did anyone see a FW update for their 8500 today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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