Guest AndrewC Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Sorry, Charles Hanson is just as paranoid as you guys over MQA.....he didn't implement the MQA filter. I asked him to implement because I know it will sound even greater on the Ayre but he refused to answer for obvious reasons. So, the Lumin S1 now earned it's place on my Hi-Fi rack. (Audio) Audio, you misunderstood.. I'm suggesting that .wav high-rez on the Ayre with its minimum-phase filter should sound far better than full-MQA decode on Lumin, when the master source are identical. Chord Mojo (non-MQA decoding DAC) wipes the floor with Meridian Explorer2. ps: For MQA "Masters" on Tidal; my guess is MQA core decode on Tidal + Ayre DAC should also sound better than full decode via Lumin alone. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentBlood Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 7000+ Tidal MQA List: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=268355 Are all 7000+ MQA titles available to Tidal subscribers in Singapore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Are all 7000+ MQA titles available to Tidal subscribers in Singapore? Yes.... (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentBlood Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yes.... (Audio) browsing through the titles listed under Tidal Masters in Roon and Audirvana, it doesn't look like it... but I'll try searching for titles at random, based on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Audio, you misunderstood.. I'm suggesting that .wav high-rez on the Ayre with its minimum-phase filter should sound far better than full-MQA decode on Lumin, when the master source are identical. Chord Mojo (non-MQA decoding DAC) wipes the floor with Meridian Explorer2. ps: For MQA "Masters" on Tidal; my guess is MQA core decode on Tidal + Ayre DAC should also sound better than full decode via Lumin alone. :) I tried tonight....no, Lumin sounded better with MQA 96K...when the same MQA master track was forced to play on Ayre, the sample rate was 48K. (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Here...select the "Masters and then "view all' (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AndrewC Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I tried tonight....no, Lumin sounded better with MQA 96K...when the same MQA master track was forced to play on Ayre, the sample rate was 48K. (Audio) If you were using Roon for Tidal playback, it doesn’t yet do core decoding when streaming into the Ayre (via RAAT). You’ll need Tidal natively (or Audirvana 3+) directly via USB into the Ayre. Not the most convenient, but thats the only way to really compare on a non-decoding DAC at this point :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 If you were using Roon for Tidal playback, it doesn’t yet do core decoding when streaming into the Ayre (via RAAT). You’ll need Tidal natively (or Audirvana 3+) directly via USB into the Ayre. Not the most convenient, but thats the only way to really compare on a non-decoding DAC at this point :) ....and that's why I use the Lumin S1. (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AndrewC Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 ....and that's why I use the Lumin S1. (Audio) Right, so when you say "MQA is better", you're really talking about better for the convenience... (not ultimate sonic better ;D) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 ....I really meant MQA sounds better...not convenient....really and sorry. All these for just US$18....why not? (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Lumin S1 and Ayre QX-5 play AIFF 192K 24 bit Blue Bayou - Ayre sounds better. Lumins S1 and Ayre QX-5 plays MQA 96K Blur Bayou - Lumin Sounds better...Ayre shows 48K sampling, not native MQA. Constantly MQA 96K Blue Bayou on Lumin sounds best. That is why I requested Charles Hanson to implement MQA as soon as possible because clearly if Ayre implement, it will sound better than Lumin. But MQA is very taboo everywhere..... (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJQ Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 taboo indeed... no no MQA for me... :-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 taboo indeed... no no MQA for me... :-X Open your mind....you will be surprised how good it sounded.... (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calamity Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What's MQA, Lumin and Ayre? How come can play here play there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk_vanilla Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What's MQA, Lumin and Ayre? How come can play here play there? http://www.luminmusic.com/streaming-services.html Like common dac setup, ayre being fed by lumin / other sources digital out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Need to do spectral analysis on both versions of blue bayou... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wklie Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Are all 7000+ MQA titles available to Tidal subscribers in Singapore? Different music is licensed differently to different countries, so there'll be slightly less. Note that the Tidal top-level masters list is a human-edited recommended list with several hundred albums only. Therefore someone created the spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentBlood Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Different music is licensed differently to different countries, so there'll be slightly less. Note that the Tidal top-level masters list is a human-edited recommended list with several hundred albums only. Therefore someone created the spreadsheet. thanks to you and Audio for the clarification :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calamity Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 http://www.luminmusic.com/streaming-services.html Like common dac setup, ayre being fed by lumin / other sources digital out Thanks for the info. Does MQA sing to its full potential only if played on a device with core decoding like the Lumin? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AndrewC Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Need to do spectral analysis on both versions of blue bayou... There’s no need to do any spectrum analysis; The only 192K PCM version of "Blue Bayou" appears to be from the 2014 “Linda Ronstadt - The ‘70s Collection” (on HDTracks). While the MQA version on Tidal is from the “Simple Dreams” (40th Anniversary Edition)” remastered and re-issued in 2017. As expected they’re totally different masters. Audio’s comparing Apples to Oranges :) ps: There doesn't appear to be any PCM native high-rez version of the 40th Anniversary release, so it's impossible to do a proper comparison. The Audiophile world is worse off with MQA around - http://www.rhino.com/product/simple-dreams-40th-anniversary-edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wklie Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Does MQA sing to its full potential only if played on a device with core decoding like the Lumin? Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1 offers selectable MQA Full Decoding (better than Core Decoding only) and MQA Core Decoding to analog outputs and digital output respectively. You get the full benefits of MQA with MQA Full Decoding to analog outputs. Lumin U1 only offers MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz to digital outputs, because U1 does not have any analog output. Tidal desktop app and Audirvana also offers MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 There’s no need to do any spectrum analysis; The only 192K PCM version of "Blue Bayou" appears to be from the 2014 “Linda Ronstadt - The ‘70s Collection” (on HDTracks). While the MQA version on Tidal is from the “Simple Dreams” (40th Anniversary Edition)” remastered and re-issued in 2017. As expected they’re totally different masters. Audio’s comparing Apples to Oranges :) ps: There doesn't appear to be any PCM native high-rez version of the 40th Anniversary release, so it's impossible to do a proper comparison. The Audiophile world is worse off with MQA around - http://www.rhino.com/product/simple-dreams-40th-anniversary-edition So, with US$18, i get to listen to the BEST version of Linda Ronstadt Blue Bayou on MQA 96K. Whereas, there is NO high-res version available, not even the US$132 HDTracks version, which you claim it's inferior. So what is wrong with MQA? Available, sound great, cost US$18? (Audio) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calamity Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1 offers selectable MQA Full Decoding (better than Core Decoding only) and MQA Core Decoding to analog outputs and digital output respectively. You get the full benefits of MQA with MQA Full Decoding to analog outputs. Lumin U1 only offers MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz to digital outputs, because U1 does not have any analog output. Tidal desktop app and Audirvana also offers MQA Core decoding to 96 or 88.2kHz. Does that mean MQA has planted hidden bits that only Lumin's Full Decoding can extract? Or does the term "Full Decoding" really mean Lumin decodes and adds filters in a different way so that the MQA sounds better? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromelang Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 There’s no need to do any spectrum analysis; The only 192K PCM version of "Blue Bayou" appears to be from the 2014 “Linda Ronstadt - The ‘70s Collection” (on HDTracks). While the MQA version on Tidal is from the “Simple Dreams” (40th Anniversary Edition)” remastered and re-issued in 2017. As expected they’re totally different masters. Audio’s comparing Apples to Oranges :) ps: There doesn't appear to be any PCM native high-rez version of the 40th Anniversary release, so it's impossible to do a proper comparison. The Audiophile world is worse off with MQA around - http://www.rhino.com/product/simple-dreams-40th-anniversary-edition Actually if you can please do it. It would be enlightening to see if there're any significant deviations from eq manipulations, overall mastering level increment, and changes in the envelop of ultrasonic spectral contents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wklie Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Does that mean MQA has planted hidden bits that only Lumin's Full Decoding can extract? Or does the term "Full Decoding" really mean Lumin decodes and adds filters in a different way so that the MQA sounds better? MQA Core decoding results in 96 or 88.2kHz audio. Full decoding means there is a next step of MQA rendering after Core decoding. MQA rendering is DAC-specific to optimize for time domain performance, and unfolds to higher sample rates. https://www.computeraudiophile.com/ca/ca-academy/mqa-for-civilians/ https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/mqa-time-domain-accuracy-digital-audio-quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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